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| Re: [GMCnet] Ethanol (again) [message #196976 is a reply to message #196971] |
Thu, 31 January 2013 14:14   |
Ken Henderson
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When I saw that, I had hopes of some sense being found somewhere.
Unfortunately, I don't consider that any kind of a victory for anyone,
except perhaps the oil companies. As I read it, the ruling did nothing
about the fundamental idiocy: the ethanol quota. It merely stated that
the oil companies were unrealistically required to use cellulosic ethanol
which was not available from no fault of their own.
If anything, the ruling is a defeat for rationality since it may delay the
replacement of a foodstuff with waste materials.
We're still being suckered.
Ken H.
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Tom Henderson wrote:
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> Check out this link:
> http://www.energybiz.com/article/13/01/federal-court-smacks-down-epa-biofuels-quota&utm_medium=eNL&utm_campaign=EB_DAILY2&utm_term=Origina l-Magazine
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ethanol (again) [message #196979 is a reply to message #196976] |
Thu, 31 January 2013 14:45 |
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Matt Colie
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Thu, 31 January 2013 15:14 |
When I saw that, I had hopes of some sense being found somewhere.
Unfortunately, I don't consider that any kind of a victory for anyone, except perhaps the oil companies. As I read it, the ruling did nothing about the fundamental idiocy: the ethanol quota. It merely stated that the oil companies were unrealistically required to use cellulosic ethanol which was not available from no fault of their own.
If anything, the ruling is a defeat for rationality since it may delay the replacement of a foodstuff with waste materials.
We're still being suckered.
Ken H.
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Tom Henderson wrote:
> Check out this link:
> http://www.energybiz.com/article/13/01/federal-court-smacks-down-epa-biofuels-quota&utm_medium=eNL&utm_campaign=EB_DAILY2&utm_term=Origina l-Magazine
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Unfortunately, Ken is real correct here.
One of the reasons that cellulosic ethanol has had some issues is that the process to manufacture it has never been better than energy equity. The EPA rules for the biofuel mandate still stand. The biggest fight now is the manufactures have been hauled into federal court to explain why they are cancelling warranties when people use 15% Eoh fuel in non-flex fuel vehicles.
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ethanol (again) [message #196985 is a reply to message #196979] |
Thu, 31 January 2013 15:42 |
Chuck Garton
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At The Pacific Cruisers Quartzsite, one of our members was talking with a
Honda Generators person.
He said to use premium gasoline in the honda generators because premium did
NOT have alcohol in it.
I sure hope this is true, but I seriously doubt it.
Anyone ever hear of this? I would buy premium to just elininate
alcohol......
Chuck Garton
77 Kingsley 455
Ridgecrest, CA
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Ken Henderson wrote on Thu, 31 January 2013 15:14
> > When I saw that, I had hopes of some sense being found somewhere.
> > Unfortunately, I don't consider that any kind of a victory for anyone,
> except perhaps the oil companies. As I read it, the ruling did nothing
> about the fundamental idiocy: the ethanol quota. It merely stated that
> the oil companies were unrealistically required to use cellulosic ethanol
> which was not available from no fault of their own.
> >
> > If anything, the ruling is a defeat for rationality since it may delay
> the replacement of a foodstuff with waste materials.
> >
> > We're still being suckered.
> >
> > Ken H.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Tom Henderson wrote:
> >
> > > Check out this link:
> > >
> http://www.energybiz.com/article/13/01/federal-court-smacks-down-epa-biofuels-quota&utm_medium=eNL&utm_campaign=EB_DAILY2&utm_term=Origina l-Magazine
> > > --
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> Unfortunately, Ken is real correct here.
> One of the reasons that cellulosic ethanol has had some issues is that the
> process to manufacture it has never been better than energy equity. The
> EPA rules for the biofuel mandate still stand. The biggest fight now is
> the manufactures have been hauled into federal court to explain why they
> are cancelling warranties when people use 15% Eoh fuel in non-flex fuel
> vehicles.
>
> Matt
>
> --
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> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you will
> find
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ethanol (again) [message #196986 is a reply to message #196985] |
Thu, 31 January 2013 16:02 |
James Hupy
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Chuck, in MOST states, it all has alcohol regardless of grade. If you have
blender pumps in particular. Check on the pump. Most are labeled. In
Canada, Shell as well well as Petro Canada do not have alcohol in their
premium and some mid grades. Tis all BS as far as I am concerned.
Jim Hupy
On Jan 31, 2013 1:42 PM, "Chuck Garton" <ceg777@earthlink.net> wrote:
> At The Pacific Cruisers Quartzsite, one of our members was talking with a
> Honda Generators person.
> He said to use premium gasoline in the honda generators because premium did
> NOT have alcohol in it.
> I sure hope this is true, but I seriously doubt it.
> Anyone ever hear of this? I would buy premium to just elininate
> alcohol......
>
> Chuck Garton
> 77 Kingsley 455
> Ridgecrest, CA
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> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Ken Henderson wrote on Thu, 31 January 2013 15:14
> > > When I saw that, I had hopes of some sense being found somewhere.
> > > Unfortunately, I don't consider that any kind of a victory for anyone,
> > except perhaps the oil companies. As I read it, the ruling did nothing
> > about the fundamental idiocy: the ethanol quota. It merely stated that
> > the oil companies were unrealistically required to use cellulosic ethanol
> > which was not available from no fault of their own.
> > >
> > > If anything, the ruling is a defeat for rationality since it may delay
> > the replacement of a foodstuff with waste materials.
> > >
> > > We're still being suckered.
> > >
> > > Ken H.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Tom Henderson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Check out this link:
> > > >
> >
> http://www.energybiz.com/article/13/01/federal-court-smacks-down-epa-biofuels-quota&utm_medium=eNL&utm_campaign=EB_DAILY2&utm_term=Origina l-Magazine
> > > > --
> >
> > Unfortunately, Ken is real correct here.
> > One of the reasons that cellulosic ethanol has had some issues is that
> the
> > process to manufacture it has never been better than energy equity. The
> > EPA rules for the biofuel mandate still stand. The biggest fight now is
> > the manufactures have been hauled into federal court to explain why they
> > are cancelling warranties when people use 15% Eoh fuel in non-flex fuel
> > vehicles.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > --
> > Matt & Mary Colie
> > '73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you
> will
> > find
> > SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ethanol (again) [message #196987 is a reply to message #196986] |
Thu, 31 January 2013 16:28 |
rcjordan
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>He said to use premium gasoline in the honda generators because premium did NOT have alcohol in it.
I was filling up somewhere here in Eastern NC this past week and saw that the premium was labeled "no ethanol." That's the 1st time I've seen it, though.
>15%
Pulled off I-95 in SC a few weeks ago and E85 is all one small plaza sold.
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| Re: Ethanol (again) [message #197041 is a reply to message #196971] |
Fri, 01 February 2013 07:36 |
Luvn737s
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I wonder if gas stations on Indian Reservations are covered under the same mandate. Imagine how successful they'd be with a mega station that advertised No Ethanol (plus a huge buffet and the loosest slots in town)
I can see the ad now " Make You Injun Happy - No Ethanol!"
Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
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| Re: Ethanol (again) [message #197047 is a reply to message #196971] |
Fri, 01 February 2013 09:16 |
GeorgeRud
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Though we're stuck with ethanol laced fuel in Illinois, I know that stations in Wisconsin that are by popular boating locations sell ethanol free fuel. They actively advertise it as it's just as corrosive and as big a problem in the boating industry as it is in the vintage automotive/RV community.
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ethanol (again) [message #197102 is a reply to message #197048] |
Fri, 01 February 2013 18:27 |
Ken Burton
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Other than in EPA non-attainment areas and Kalifornia, the ethanol mandate was put on the states to administer. The mandate, in 2005 stated, that a certain gallonage of "renewable fuel" must be sold at retail every year. The amount was raised annually with the target being 7.5 billion gallons in 2012. In 2007 they added diesel to the "renewable" requirement.
The feds then doled out the gallonage requirements to each state and said you handle it. In some states the state allowed one fuel grade to be exempt. Usually this was premium, but not always. In Iowa for example they allowed a lower grade not to contain renewable content just as long as it was labeled on the pump. Even in those "Premium" states most states did not say that premium must not contain renewable content. They just said that it could be sold without "renewable" content.
Every state is different and the feds do not care how it is done as long as they meet their gallonage quota.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ethanol (again) [message #197188 is a reply to message #196986] |
Fri, 01 February 2013 16:36 |
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In Oklahoma, new and larger 7-11 stores have 87
E10 plus 87, 89, and 91 E0 gasoline. The On-Cue
stations in the Oklahoma City area have likewise.
Some of the On-Cue stations now also have CNG
(Compressed NATURAL Gas) available.
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> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:02:21 -0800
> From: jamesh1296@gmail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ethanol (again)
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> Chuck, in MOST states, it all has alcohol regardless of grade. If you have
> blender pumps in particular. Check on the pump. Most are labeled. In
> Canada, Shell as well well as Petro Canada do not have alcohol in their
> premium and some mid grades. Tis all BS as far as I am concerned.
> Jim Hupy
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