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can I replace LP Tank with 20 lb external tank? [message #196674] Mon, 28 January 2013 14:14 Go to next message
Keith V is currently offline  Keith V   United States
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If I took that huge LP tank out of the storage compartment and strapped a 20lb tank to the rear bumper. I'd have some really nice storage!

I've seen trailers with external tanks.
I don't foresee a lot of dry camping So I'm really liking the idea of No Genset and no huge Tank, just 1000lb less weight and actual storage.

What says the ol timers?

( I'm still pretty new to this RV thing )


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Re: can I replace LP Tank with 20 lb external tank? [message #196678 is a reply to message #196674] Mon, 28 January 2013 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't qualify as an "old timer"... errr, at least not in terms of GMC motorhoming... but I'll chip in with my experiences anyway.

I just got done with a 5,000 mile road trip. The vast majority of the almost two months was spent plugged in, so there was very little need for LP gas at all (other than to heat water for a shower, or to cook on our stovetop). But we still used enough gas to go through probably one or two LP tanks, from heating the coach (LP gas furnace), hot water (pretty minor), and running the 'fridge when parked but not plugged in. We sure could have gotten by without the big tank, but it would have been a hassle chasing down replacement canisters.

I'm also not ready to give up my generator. Again, it's not like we used it a lot, but the few times we did need to top off the batteries, it was sure nice to just "push the button". And we have a 1000 watt inverter, so we don't need to fire up the generator to do "little stuff" like vacuum, make a margarita or run other plug-in devices and chargers. Plus, there's NO way to survive driving the coach in the AZ summer without at least one of the rooftop A/C units running, so there's really no option other than to have a generator, at least for me.



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Re: can I replace LP Tank with 20 lb external tank? [message #196685 is a reply to message #196674] Mon, 28 January 2013 16:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Keith V wrote on Mon, 28 January 2013 15:14

If I took that huge LP tank out of the storage compartment and strapped a 20lb tank to the rear bumper. I'd have some really nice storage!

I've seen trailers with external tanks.
I don't foresee a lot of dry camping So I'm really liking the idea of No Genset and no huge Tank, just 1000lb less weight and actual storage.

What says the ol timers?
( I'm still pretty new to this RV thing )

Kieth,

It is up to you to set the coach up so it works for you, but be careful that you don't eliminate the some capability that you might want later. It wouldn't take but one night when you can't find a KOA and it is cold to want some heat. And no AC or A/C would kill a lot of what we have used the coach to do.

Admittedly, these coaches were built to be travelers and not park models. Even traveling has changed since mine left Pontiac. Just be sure that what you want to do in an improvement.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] can I replace LP Tank with 20 lb external tank? [message #196686 is a reply to message #196685] Mon, 28 January 2013 16:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I replaced my big tank with this one in the same space. Gives you half of
the space for storage without something strapped to the outside. I kept
the original in case I want to go back. I also removed my heater with the
intention of replacing it. That was 6 years ago.

http://www.rvplus.com/manchester-tank-lp-cylinder-f-20ahb-sg-10487tc.html



On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Keith V wrote on Mon, 28 January 2013 15:14
> > If I took that huge LP tank out of the storage compartment and strapped
> a 20lb tank to the rear bumper. I'd have some really nice storage!
> >
> > I've seen trailers with external tanks.
> > I don't foresee a lot of dry camping So I'm really liking the idea of No
> Genset and no huge Tank, just 1000lb less weight and actual storage.
> >
> > What says the ol timers?
> > ( I'm still pretty new to this RV thing )
>
> Kieth,
>
> It is up to you to set the coach up so it works for you, but be careful
> that you don't eliminate the some capability that you might want later. It
> wouldn't take but one night when you can't find a KOA and it is cold to
> want some heat. And no AC or A/C would kill a lot of what we have used the
> coach to do.
>
> Admittedly, these coaches were built to be travelers and not park models.
> Even traveling has changed since mine left Pontiac. Just be sure that
> what you want to do in an improvement.
>
> Matt
> --
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> find
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Re: [GMCnet] can I replace LP Tank with 20 lb external tank? [message #196689 is a reply to message #196686] Mon, 28 January 2013 17:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Keith

I've had my GMC since 1996...I might be an old timer <g>

In short, I've been everywhere...and the propane, just this year was
required in Van Horne, Texas when were forced to spend the day and a night
in a Walmart parking lot in freezing temperatures ...that furnace came in
handy. The generator will be handy when you come back to the rig from a
shopping center outing in Nova Scotia ...it will cool it down to civilized
temperatures in a hurry...and if your dog is with you, you won't bar-b-q
him. These are just 2 examples.
Don't do anything for the first 10,000 miles..your taste and outlook will
change. You will always take too much 'stuff' so you don't need that extra
space ...plan your modifications carefully !
Hey, you asked....<VBG>

Mike ...currently in Las Cruces NM ...again !

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Mike Teets <teamteets@gmail.com> wrote:

> I replaced my big tank with this one in the same space. Gives you half of
> the space for storage without something strapped to the outside. I kept
> the original in case I want to go back. I also removed my heater with the
> intention of replacing it. That was 6 years ago.
>
> http://www.rvplus.com/manchester-tank-lp-cylinder-f-20ahb-sg-10487tc.html
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Keith V wrote on Mon, 28 January 2013 15:14
> > > If I took that huge LP tank out of the storage compartment and strapped
> > a 20lb tank to the rear bumper. I'd have some really nice storage!
> > >
> > > I've seen trailers with external tanks.
> > > I don't foresee a lot of dry camping So I'm really liking the idea of
> No
> > Genset and no huge Tank, just 1000lb less weight and actual storage.
> > >
> > > What says the ol timers?
> > > ( I'm still pretty new to this RV thing )
> >
> > Kieth,
> >
> > It is up to you to set the coach up so it works for you, but be careful
> > that you don't eliminate the some capability that you might want later.
> It
> > wouldn't take but one night when you can't find a KOA and it is cold to
> > want some heat. And no AC or A/C would kill a lot of what we have used
> the
> > coach to do.
> >
> > Admittedly, these coaches were built to be travelers and not park models.
> > Even traveling has changed since mine left Pontiac. Just be sure that
> > what you want to do in an improvement.
> >
> > Matt
> > --
> > Matt & Mary Colie
> > '73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you
> will
> > find
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Re: [GMCnet] can I replace LP Tank with 20 lb external tank? [message #196690 is a reply to message #196689] Mon, 28 January 2013 17:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'd be afraid of someone stealing it from the rear bumper, or someone driving in to it.
Re: [GMCnet] can I replace LP Tank with 20 lb external tank? [message #196692 is a reply to message #196690] Mon, 28 January 2013 17:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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David

Based on my own experience, I'd be afraid of backing into something and
putting that propane tank back inside from where it came ! <g>

Mike..a very Slow learner...prepared to cite: 2 bicycles, One GMC ladder,
One GMC tire cover, and a bumper..all separate events !



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Re: [GMCnet] can I replace LP Tank with 20 lb external tank? [message #196693 is a reply to message #196686] Mon, 28 January 2013 17:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have seen pictures of the OEM tank being replaced with one or two normal BBQ type tanks INSIDE the compartment. (I am not sure of the safety/security of hanging a tank on the rear bumper.) It did free up SOME space and did allow the tank(s) to be removed so they could be refilled anywhere that sells propane with or without the coach.

Note that 20lb BBQ tanks are the cheapest size/type as they make so many of them but they do have more regulations than "installed" tanks.

BUT Is it a good idea to remove the installed tank and gen set?

It would depend on YOUR use of the coach. Personally I wouldn't have much use for a coach without them installed... but maybe a little smaller versions of each would work. But... cost wise it is cheaper to keep what I already have!

Mike Teets wrote on Mon, 28 January 2013 14:45

I replaced my big tank with this one in the same space. Gives you half of the space for storage without something strapped to the outside. I kept the original in case I want to go back. I also removed my heater with the intention of replacing it. That was 6 years ago.

http://www.rvplus.com/manchester-tank-lp-cylinder-f-20ahb-sg-10487tc.html

>
> Keith V wrote on Mon, 28 January 2013 15:14
> > If I took that huge LP tank out of the storage compartment and strapped
> a 20lb tank to the rear bumper. I'd have some really nice storage!
> >
> > I've seen trailers with external tanks.
> > I don't foresee a lot of dry camping So I'm really liking the idea of No
> Genset and no huge Tank, just 1000lb less weight and actual storage.
> >
> > What says the ol timers?
> > ( I'm still pretty new to this RV thing )


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Re: [GMCnet] can I replace LP Tank with 20 lb external tank? [message #196695 is a reply to message #196692] Mon, 28 January 2013 17:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mike,

There's an item that will solve your problem; it's called a back up camera, what do you reckon, eh?! ;-)

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David

Based on my own experience, I'd be afraid of backing into something and
putting that propane tank back inside from where it came ! <g>

Mike..a very Slow learner...prepared to cite: 2 bicycles, One GMC ladder,
One GMC tire cover, and a bumper..all separate events !

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Re: [GMCnet] can I replace LP Tank with 20 lb external tank? [message #196696 is a reply to message #196695] Mon, 28 January 2013 17:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robert

And how did you know I've had one now for almost 4 years...I just haven't
gotten around to hooking it up! <g>
I shouldn't tell you this, but it's a wireless version !

There is No hope for me! <VBG>

Mike

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Robert Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:

> Mike,
>
> There's an item that will solve your problem; it's called a back up
> camera, what do you reckon, eh?! ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kingsley Coach
>
> David
>
> Based on my own experience, I'd be afraid of backing into something and
> putting that propane tank back inside from where it came ! <g>
>
> Mike..a very Slow learner...prepared to cite: 2 bicycles, One GMC ladder,
> One GMC tire cover, and a bumper..all separate events !
>
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Re: can I replace LP Tank with 20 lb external tank? [message #196702 is a reply to message #196674] Mon, 28 January 2013 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I would not want to have the coach without both. It might be nice to have a bit of storage around the tank if it was smaller but by law that door can not be locked. so it would be stuff that you would not mind if it went missing, and ..well if you don't mind it going missing.. did you need it in the first place. Smile

And Mike I installed the wired camera the first Month I owned the coach (right after I almost backed over the neighbours car)



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Re: [GMCnet] can I replace LP Tank with 20 lb external tank? [message #196705 is a reply to message #196686] Mon, 28 January 2013 20:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mike Teets wrote on Mon, 28 January 2013 15:45

I replaced my big tank with this one in the same space. Gives you half of
the space for storage without something strapped to the outside. I kept
the original in case I want to go back. I also removed my heater with the
intention of replacing it. That was 6 years ago.

http://www.rvplus.com/manchester-tank-lp-cylinder-f-20ahb-sg-10487tc.html





That's exactly the same tank my PO installed in my coach. It has been more than adequate in terms of capacity. I usually only fill it once per year. We don't use our furnace very often out here, but we use the stove a lot and run the fridge on gas whenever we dry camp.

I cut a slot in the tapered part of the floor at the rear of the compartment so I could move the tank back as for as possible. The only thing I don't like about it is that I have to remove it to get it filled. In some ways that is a good thing, as I can get the tank filled while the coach is in my driveway. I DO like the extra storage space in the compartment though. Some of the difficulty in removing it is because of the way I have it mounted.

All in all, it works out well.


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Re: can I replace LP Tank with 20 lb external tank? [message #196712 is a reply to message #196674] Mon, 28 January 2013 20:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm not sure if it will fit but here's a 30# horizontal tank for about the same price.
http://www.protanksupply.com/horizontal-propane-tanks_detail.asp?ID=1014

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DOT version
http://www.rvplus.com/manchester-tank-lp-tank-opd-horizontal-7-gal-30-w-gauge-1175tc.html


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I'll bet that 30 pound tank wouldn't be all that much fun to wrestle in and out of the side compartment every time it's filled up (since it has to be removed and vertical to fill up). Seems like a lot of trouble to go to to get a small extra storage niche.

Mark Hickey Mesa, AZ 1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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Keith V wrote on Mon, 28 January 2013 14:14

If I took that huge LP tank out of the storage compartment and strapped a 20lb tank to the rear bumper. I'd have some really nice storage!

I've seen trailers with external tanks.
I don't foresee a lot of dry camping So I'm really liking the idea of No Genset and no huge Tank, just 1000lb less weight and actual storage.

What says the ol timers?

( I'm still pretty new to this RV thing )



Keith,

What will that do to the resale value of what is now a self-contained coach?

Someday, the time will come, and you've limited the prospective buyers.

Just my thoughts.





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Re: can I replace LP Tank with 20 lb external tank? [message #196719 is a reply to message #196674] Mon, 28 January 2013 21:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Don't make any changes till 10,000 miles??
dang, now you tell me, I've been workin on it fer 3 years!

This summer tho, I'm driving the freekin wheels off it!

well the propane tank is full, so I suppose I'll see how long it lasts!
Generator, yea, that will stay for now.

Maybe I'll do more national park camping where they are useful Smile



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Re: [GMCnet] can I replace LP Tank with 20 lb external tank? [message #196724 is a reply to message #196717] Mon, 28 January 2013 22:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry I would not buy your GMC without the gen. or large tank.
We just returned from cold weather using our heater the whole trip.
In the summer we run our A/C
Just my input.
All is well with my Lord
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Cold and Hot Alpine. 27 low, 110 high
On Jan 28, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Adrien Genesoto <fixman54@syix.com> wrote:

>
>
> Keith V wrote on Mon, 28 January 2013 14:14
>> If I took that huge LP tank out of the storage compartment and strapped a 20lb tank to the rear bumper. I'd have some really nice storage!
>>
>> I've seen trailers with external tanks.
>> I don't foresee a lot of dry camping So I'm really liking the idea of No Genset and no huge Tank, just 1000lb less weight and actual storage.
>>
>> What says the ol timers?
>>
>> ( I'm still pretty new to this RV thing )
>
>
>
> Keith,
>
> What will that do to the resale value of what is now a self-contained coach?
>
> Someday, the time will come, and you've limited the prospective buyers.
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
>
>
>
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Drivin' the wheels off it...be careful what you wish for ! <VBG>

I can show you a highway guard rail with a GMC 'under the fridge' wheel
imprint on it..I'll meet you just south of Hartford on the I-84 on a Sunday
evening around 9:30 when it's quiet and show you. Just part of the
adventure ! <g>

As the 356 boys say, " Keep the Faith".... Now, aren't you sorry you asked
our opinion ...:)

Adam
I hear ya.. and since I have it with me, mañana <VBG>

Later Gents

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On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Howard <hnielsen2@cox.net> wrote:

> Sorry I would not buy your GMC without the gen. or large tank.
> We just returned from cold weather using our heater the whole trip.
> In the summer we run our A/C
> Just my input.
> All is well with my Lord
> Howard
> Cold and Hot Alpine. 27 low, 110 high
> On Jan 28, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Adrien Genesoto <fixman54@syix.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Keith V wrote on Mon, 28 January 2013 14:14
> >> If I took that huge LP tank out of the storage compartment and strapped
> a 20lb tank to the rear bumper. I'd have some really nice storage!
> >>
> >> I've seen trailers with external tanks.
> >> I don't foresee a lot of dry camping So I'm really liking the idea of
> No Genset and no huge Tank, just 1000lb less weight and actual storage.
> >>
> >> What says the ol timers?
> >>
> >> ( I'm still pretty new to this RV thing )
> >
> >
> >
> > Keith,
> >
> > What will that do to the resale value of what is now a self-contained
> coach?
> >
> > Someday, the time will come, and you've limited the prospective buyers.
> >
> > Just my thoughts.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> the mistakes that we might have avoided.&#8221;
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> >
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Re: can I replace LP Tank with 20 lb external tank? [message #196732 is a reply to message #196674] Tue, 29 January 2013 02:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mike miller   United States
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habbyguy wrote on Mon, 28 January 2013 18:48

I'll bet that 30 pound tank wouldn't be all that much fun to wrestle in and out of the side compartment every time it's filled up (since it has to be removed and vertical to fill up). Seems like a lot of trouble to go to to get a small extra storage niche.

I assume you are referring to this:
rcjordan wrote on Mon, 28 January 2013 18:32

I'm not sure if it will fit but here's a 30# horizontal tank for about the same price.
http://www.protanksupply.com/horizontal-propane-tanks_detail.asp?ID=1014


I see a refill port and bolt down feet similar to the one on the OEM tank. I do not understand the statement: "It is to be used in its horizontal position only, yet filled in its vertical position while used in the horizontal position only (laying down)." Seems with bolt down "feet" it should be filled "laying down" and have no need to unbolt and remove the tank just to fill it.

If you have to replace the big tank, you can buy a 20lb BBQ tank for about $25 to $30 -- BRAND NEW. (Low cost due to how many they make.) You can carry up to 2 of these in the same space freed up by the removal of your large tank. You will then have to option of carrying two, one or even none as your need for THAT TRIP dictate, saving the space for other items. With BBQ tanks you can take JUST the tank to be refilled. Leaving the coach in the driveway or set-up at the camp site. Plus when you run out of gas in the middle of cooking your steak on your home grill, you can "borrow" a tank from your coach. Twisted Evil

The down side is BBQ tanks need to be tested more often than tanks mounted to something. (At least in my state.) But you could buy new and toss quite a few before hitting the cost of even one mounted tank.

When selecting a tank, I understand that for our use you need a "vapor tank" not one that puts out liquid LPG used for most engine fuel applications.

1275gtsport wrote on Mon, 28 January 2013 17:36

... It might be nice to have a bit of storage around the tank if it was smaller but by law that door can not be locked. so it would be stuff that you would not mind if it went missing, and ..well if you don't mind it going missing.. did you need it in the first place. Smile ...


Ragusa Pattern Shop <http://www.ragusarv.com/> makes a door to install in place of the vents on the propane compartment door, allowing the valve of the OEM tank to be turned off (or on) without opening the whole door. RV-36 "LPG Door Vent" (for some reason they have it listed under "Engine items" and the search function didn't work for me...) I would expect JimK at applied also carries this product.



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Re: [GMCnet] can I replace LP Tank with 20 lb external tank? [message #196733 is a reply to message #196732] Tue, 29 January 2013 05:22 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Jim Bounds is currently offline  Jim Bounds   United States
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On the road, LP can be a great energy source if you have the components to go with the system.  LP works pretty good cooling things as long as your frig is not a huge one.  The Norcold recall is on the big ole friges-- they create too much heat on the condenser coild-- they breech and cause fires, no way around it and do you rely on their "fix" to protect you and your RV investment-- that's what Fire Fight Products is all about.  Your frig is on 24/7, does it not make sense to give yourself a cushion of safety?
 
LP furnace is pretty nice, in Florida it's good for @ 3 weeks but up north I can understand their importance-- there is a reason I live where it does not get cold!
 
As far as option on the tanks, we have used a marine application device where you connect 2 small, removable and replacable LP tanks.  When one tank goes low, the device selects the next tank so you can replace the empty one at the local Mini-mart.  Works pretty good if you don;r wanna use the big ole original tank.  ASME (original type) tanks can be expensive.  There is logic that makes sense on both types of systems-- what's your choice.
 
LP is an energy source just like generators, just like DC (batteries), the question is which source do you support and which one or multiples support your style of RV use?  Some pull out the LP system entirely not feeling they need it and like the italian waiter when you place your order says "good choice".  It may be a good choice (for you) while it may reason out to be stupid for others.  It all depends on how you see your coach and how you use it.
 
Larry (my Fire Fight promo coach) has no LP gas, JayGee (my other one) does and I love the LP frig and furnace.  That does not mean I will install LP in Larry-- it has a different use which LP does not fit.  See, it all depends on what you seek out of your coach.  I can run my power converter which will give me close to unlimited DC power for whatever with the silly little 900 watt generator from Harbour freight for only $89.  If DC is your bag, run the batteries and charge them back up with 40 amps for $89!  It's all about energy consumption and what your reasoning is-- and most ideas will work, at least to some extent.
 
LP can be a good thing, unless it's not --- to you.  What's your choice...
 
Jim Bounds
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habbyguy wrote on Mon, 28 January 2013 18:48
> I'll bet that 30 pound tank wouldn't be all that much fun to wrestle in and out of the side compartment every time it's filled up (since it has to be removed and vertical to fill up).  Seems like a lot of trouble to go to to get a small extra storage niche.

I assume you are referring to this:
rcjordan wrote on Mon, 28 January 2013 18:32
> I'm not sure if it will fit but here's a 30# horizontal tank for about the same price.
> http://www.protanksupply.com/horizontal-propane-tanks_detail.asp?ID=1014


I see a refill port and bolt down feet similar to the one on the OEM tank.  I do not understand the statement: "It is to be used in its horizontal position only, yet filled in its vertical position while used in the horizontal position only (laying down)."  Seems with bolt down "feet" it should be filled "laying down" and have no need to unbolt and remove the tank just to fill it. 

If you have to replace the big tank, you can buy a 20lb BBQ tank for about $25 to $30 -- BRAND NEW.  (Low cost due to how many they make.)  You can carry up to 2 of these in the same space freed up by the removal of your large tank.  You will then have to option of carrying two, one or even none as your need for THAT TRIP dictate, saving the space for other items.  With BBQ tanks you can take JUST the tank to be refilled. Leaving the coach in the driveway or set-up at the camp site. Plus when you run out of gas in the middle of cooking your steak on your home grill, you can "borrow" a tank from your coach.  :twisted:

The down side is BBQ tanks need to be tested more often than tanks mounted to something. (At least in my state.)  But you could buy new and toss quite a few before hitting the cost of even one mounted tank.

When selecting a tank, I understand that for our use you need a "vapor tank" not one that puts out liquid LPG used for most engine fuel applications.

1275gtsport wrote on Mon, 28 January 2013 17:36
> ... It might be nice to have a bit of storage around the tank if it was smaller but by law that door can not be locked. so it would be stuff that you would not mind if it went missing, and ..well if you don't mind it going missing.. did you need it in the first place. :) ...


Ragusa Pattern Shop <http://www.ragusarv.com/> makes a door to install in place of the vents on the propane compartment door, allowing the valve of the OEM tank to be turned off (or on) without opening the whole door.  RV-36 "LPG Door Vent"  (for some reason they have it listed under "Engine items" and the search function didn't work for me...)  I would expect JimK at applied also carries this product.


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