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RF_Burns
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I recieved this email addressed to my GMCHC Webmaster email.
Apparently Norcold has a recall on thier 1200 series fridges and are trying to find all the current owners to implement a fix to this model.
Just passing along this info for them.
Hi, my name is Tera, from norcold manufacturing. I am reaching out to see if there is a way we can collaborate with you to get the word out about the recall on our 1200 series refrigerator, http://norcoldrecall.com/.
We are trying to reach as many consumers as we can, and are trying to collaborate with clubs, in the case the coach has changed owners we can try to connect with them to get this recall kit installed. E-mail me @ recallob5@thetford.com if there is any way you are willing to help.
Thank you for you cooperation and time,
Tera
Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
1 ton front end
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| Re: [GMCnet] Norcold recall Notice [message #196744 is a reply to message #196743] |
Tue, 29 January 2013 09:21  |
Jim Bounds
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That's right, the problem is more than just the big friges, you also should take measures to protect yourself--- yourself. Essentially you are putting your faith that a thermister put in line that will shut down the frig when the coil reaches too high a temp. will save you and yor RV investment. There is more to protecting yourself from the number 1 reason for RV fires than believing the 2nd recall and fix will do the trick. Put an auto deploy Halon fire suppression system behind your frig. We are selling piles of them for folks in those monster rigs. It's short $ to assure you are protected-- wether the "fix" works or not.
OK, I'll shut up now...
Jim Bounds
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From: Bruce Hislop <bruce@perthcomm.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Norcold recall Notice
Click on the link, they show all their product which have recalls, not just the 1200 series(which is a large fridge)
http://norcoldrecall.com/
Fire hazards so Git r done!
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ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
Hubler 1 ton front end
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
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| Re: [GMCnet] Norcold recall Notice [message #196745 is a reply to message #196744] |
Tue, 29 January 2013 09:39 |
Jim Bounds
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BTW, there will be a talk about this at Dothen in the RV fires safety seminar I'll be doing in place for "Mac the fire guy"
Jim Bounds
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From: Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com>
To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Norcold recall Notice
That's right, the problem is more than just the big friges, you also should take measures to protect yourself--- yourself. Essentially you are putting your faith that a thermister put in line that will shut down the frig when the coil reaches too high a temp. will save you and yor RV investment. There is more to protecting yourself from the number 1 reason for RV fires than believing the 2nd recall and fix will do the trick. Put an auto deploy Halon fire suppression system behind your frig. We are selling piles of them for folks in those monster rigs. It's short $ to assure you are protected-- wether the "fix" works or not.
OK, I'll shut up now...
Jim Bounds
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From: Bruce Hislop <bruce@perthcomm.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Norcold recall Notice
Click on the link, they show all their product which have recalls, not just the 1200 series(which is a large fridge)
http://norcoldrecall.com/
Fire hazards so Git r done!
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Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
Hubler 1 ton front end
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
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| Re: Norcold recall Notice [message #196905 is a reply to message #196743] |
Wed, 30 January 2013 21:42 |
Don A
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back to the recall notice;
as Bruce said the Norcold 1200 is a large 4 door fridge, but
also inclued in a recall are models N841, N821, N641, N621 and 1082. I have a N641 installed by Arch and I have seen them in many coaches. My cooling unit serial number is much later I think than those in the recall. Mostly units installed in 1999 or 2000.
If you have a Norcold you should check it out.
http://norcoldrecall.com/
Don Adams Dallas, TX
'76 26' Glenbrook, '90 Sidekick
rebuilt by R Archer, powered by J Bounds, Koba
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| Re: [GMCnet] Norcold recall Notice [message #196940 is a reply to message #196905] |
Thu, 31 January 2013 07:08 |
Jim Bounds
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Norcold's "fix" is to install a thermister which is basically a heat controlled switch that will shut down your frig making it not work until you again go to the deale, presently I do not know what they are doing when you take the frig back the 2nd time. . I was told (though it's hard for me to get my head around their threshold temp) the thermister will shut down the frig if the condenser coils reath 700 deg.. If this occures, it will make all of your ice cream melt and the beer will get warm-- bummer!
If you really wanna make your frig. reliable and safe, look up this: http://www.rvcoolingunits.com/ . Talk to David Force, tell him hello for me. He offers Omish built, heavy gauge cooling units and BTW, our supplimental fire suppression systems. The problem is not the burner like Dometic is trying to "rebox" the flame and Norcold's fix is simply a protection mode solution at the time of a runaway condition. David's redesigned cooling unit fixes the problem of too small a gauge of tube material used in the manufacture of the coil section of the frig. from the manufacturer. Be prepared for your eyebrows to raise a bit in that these safer cooling units are not cheap but they work. Who said safety was cheap? The problen is cost in the first place, the manufactuers make the walls of the condenser tube thinner for increased heat transfer of the system-- thus a better cooling frig.. When the metal changes state because of the increased heat
from the exchange process the metal crackes bursting the tube allowing the amonia gas comprised of hydrogen to violently excape into the back of the frig compartment-- now it's a campfire looking for an ignition source enclosed in a wooden flamable box. If the gas finds one --- boom! It will take @ 30 sec. for the Amonia gas to excape which makes for a blowtourch in a wooden box, you can picture the rest. This may sound like theory but it is really happening. The Quartzite Fire Department told us there were 3 frig. related fires last week out in the desert. Your frig is on 24/7 out there off the grid or for that matter anywhere because it
As proactive countermeasures, if you have a clean agent gas automatic supplimental fire suppression system set to flood the compartment with 1 pound of Halon 1211 (that amount of fire suppressant will treat up to 24cf of open air space to 5% by volume of Halon which means a fire can not sustain in that compartment. Measure the open air space behind your fring-- that's opn air space. You will be "killing ants with a sledge hammer" dumping 1 pound of real Halon on the situation. This will stop the fire, it will protect you (the frig stands right next to the door-- if it is on fire your easy egress is blocked), your RV investment as well as that spot on the interstate. Just imagine less black spots on the side of the road and all for short money $180 + shipping. Our closest competitor is charging $280 for their product if you can find them and their clean agent gas suppressant (FE36, HFC227, Halatron, Halite or what ever fancy name they hang on
their new "green gas" is only 60% effective compared to actual Halon 1211 which we still pump) will not do the over the top job our product will.
The RV manufacturers, RV dealers both will not talk to us, it's like trying to talk to a hotel about bed bugs, everyone has their collective heads in the sand hoping it will all go away while we are all stuck in a matchbox sporting an easy strike head! Yea, I'm upset about this because 1. they are not truly fixing the past problem they made and 2. by not acknowledging the true nature of the issue they are putting you, me and everyone at a continued risk. If it was an issue with another product there would be a class action suit ongoing and who knows, when someone with clout brings it up to the right people maybe there will be. In the meantime and even after the issue is raised, the best thing to do is take your safety into your hands and have a countermeasure for this fire threat.
OK, that's it, I've made my play, this is the story we are trying hard to get out, do what you will with it...
Jim Bounds
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From: Don Adams <dj.adams@att.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Norcold recall Notice
back to the recall notice;
as Bruce said the Norcold 1200 is a large 4 door fridge, but
also inclued in a recall are models N841, N821, N641, N621 and 1082. I have a N641 installed by Arch and I have seen them in many coaches. My cooling unit serial number is much later I think than those in the recall. Mostly units installed in 1999 or 2000.
If you have a Norcold you should check it out.
http://norcoldrecall.com/
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Don Adams Dallas, TX
'76 26' Glenbrook, '90 Sidekick
rebuilt by R Archer, powered by J Bounds, Koba
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| Re: [GMCnet] Norcold recall Notice [message #220064 is a reply to message #196940] |
Mon, 26 August 2013 23:30 |
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The news.
thank you JimB.
Mickey :-)
Anaheim ca.
77 palm bomb.
On Jan 31, 2013, at 5:08 AM, Jim Bounds wrote:
> Norcold's "fix" is to install a thermister which is basically a heat controlled switch that will shut down your frig making it not work until you again go to the deale, presently I do not know what they are doing when you take the frig back the 2nd time. . I was told (though it's hard for me to get my head around their threshold temp) the thermister will shut down the frig if the condenser coils reath 700 deg.. If this occures, it will make all of your ice cream melt and the beer will get warm-- bummer!
>
> If you really wanna make your frig. reliable and safe, look up this: http://www.rvcoolingunits.com/ . Talk to David Force, tell him hello for me. He offers Omish built, heavy gauge cooling units and BTW, our supplimental fire suppression systems. The problem is not the burner like Dometic is trying to "rebox" the flame and Norcold's fix is simply a protection mode solution at the time of a runaway condition. David's redesigned cooling unit fixes the problem of too small a gauge of tube material used in the manufacture of the coil section of the frig. from the manufacturer. Be prepared for your eyebrows to raise a bit in that these safer cooling units are not cheap but they work. Who said safety was cheap? The problen is cost in the first place, the manufactuers make the walls of the condenser tube thinner for increased heat transfer of the system-- thus a better cooling frig.. When the metal changes state because of the increased heat
> from the exchange process the metal crackes bursting the tube allowing the amonia gas comprised of hydrogen to violently excape into the back of the frig compartment-- now it's a campfire looking for an ignition source enclosed in a wooden flamable box. If the gas finds one --- boom! It will take @ 30 sec. for the Amonia gas to excape which makes for a blowtourch in a wooden box, you can picture the rest. This may sound like theory but it is really happening. The Quartzite Fire Department told us there were 3 frig. related fires last week out in the desert. Your frig is on 24/7 out there off the grid or for that matter anywhere because it
>
> As proactive countermeasures, if you have a clean agent gas automatic supplimental fire suppression system set to flood the compartment with 1 pound of Halon 1211 (that amount of fire suppressant will treat up to 24cf of open air space to 5% by volume of Halon which means a fire can not sustain in that compartment. Measure the open air space behind your fring-- that's opn air space. You will be "killing ants with a sledge hammer" dumping 1 pound of real Halon on the situation. This will stop the fire, it will protect you (the frig stands right next to the door-- if it is on fire your easy egress is blocked), your RV investment as well as that spot on the interstate. Just imagine less black spots on the side of the road and all for short money $180 + shipping. Our closest competitor is charging $280 for their product if you can find them and their clean agent gas suppressant (FE36, HFC227, Halatron, Halite or what ever fancy name they hang on
> their new "green gas" is only 60% effective compared to actual Halon 1211 which we still pump) will not do the over the top job our product will.
>
> The RV manufacturers, RV dealers both will not talk to us, it's like trying to talk to a hotel about bed bugs, everyone has their collective heads in the sand hoping it will all go away while we are all stuck in a matchbox sporting an easy strike head! Yea, I'm upset about this because 1. they are not truly fixing the past problem they made and 2. by not acknowledging the true nature of the issue they are putting you, me and everyone at a continued risk. If it was an issue with another product there would be a class action suit ongoing and who knows, when someone with clout brings it up to the right people maybe there will be. In the meantime and even after the issue is raised, the best thing to do is take your safety into your hands and have a countermeasure for this fire threat.
>
> OK, that's it, I've made my play, this is the story we are trying hard to get out, do what you will with it...
>
> Jim Bounds
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> ________________________________
> From: Don Adams <dj.adams@att.net>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Norcold recall Notice
>
>
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> back to the recall notice;
>
> as Bruce said the Norcold 1200 is a large 4 door fridge, but
> also inclued in a recall are models N841, N821, N641, N621 and 1082. I have a N641 installed by Arch and I have seen them in many coaches. My cooling unit serial number is much later I think than those in the recall. Mostly units installed in 1999 or 2000.
>
> If you have a Norcold you should check it out.
>
> http://norcoldrecall.com/
>
>
> --
> Don Adams Dallas, TX
> '76 26' Glenbrook, '90 Sidekick
> rebuilt by R Archer, powered by J Bounds, Koba
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| Re: [GMCnet] Norcold recall Notice [message #220110 is a reply to message #220064] |
Tue, 27 August 2013 13:37 |
Steve Jess
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I think the website you want is http://www.rvcoolingunit.com/ (unit not units) Also http://www.rvcoolingunit.net/ -- same people, different web site.
Steve Jess - Aguanga, CA
1977 GMC Palm Beach "The DreamLiner"The 10,000 pound antique Home Theater with plumbing
> From: mickeysss@me.com
> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 21:31:44 -0700
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Norcold recall Notice
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> The news.
>
> thank you JimB.
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> Mickey :-)
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> Anaheim ca.
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> 77 palm bomb.
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> On Jan 31, 2013, at 5:08 AM, Jim Bounds wrote:
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> > Norcold's "fix" is to install a thermister which is basically a heat controlled switch that will shut down your frig making it not work until you again go to the deale, presently I do not know what they are doing when you take the frig back the 2nd time. . I was told (though it's hard for me to get my head around their threshold temp) the thermister will shut down the frig if the condenser coils reath 700 deg.. If this occures, it will make all of your ice cream melt and the beer will get warm-- bummer!
> >
> > If you really wanna make your frig. reliable and safe, look up this: http://www.rvcoolingunits.com/ . Talk to David Force, tell him hello for me. He offers Omish built, heavy gauge cooling units and BTW, our supplimental fire suppression systems. The problem is not the burner like Dometic is trying to "rebox" the flame and Norcold's fix is simply a protection mode solution at the time of a runaway condition. David's redesigned cooling unit fixes the problem of too small a gauge of tube material used in the manufacture of the coil section of the frig. from the manufacturer. Be prepared for your eyebrows to raise a bit in that these safer cooling units are not cheap but they work. Who said safety was cheap? The problen is cost in the first place, the manufactuers make the walls of the condenser tube thinner for increased heat transfer of the system-- thus a better cooling frig.. When the metal changes state because of the increased heat
> > from the exchange process the metal crackes bursting the tube allowing the amonia gas comprised of hydrogen to violently excape into the back of the frig compartment-- now it's a campfire looking for an ignition source enclosed in a wooden flamable box. If the gas finds one --- boom! It will take @ 30 sec. for the Amonia gas to excape which makes for a blowtourch in a wooden box, you can picture the rest. This may sound like theory but it is really happening. The Quartzite Fire Department told us there were 3 frig. related fires last week out in the desert. Your frig is on 24/7 out there off the grid or for that matter anywhere because it
> >
> > As proactive countermeasures, if you have a clean agent gas automatic supplimental fire suppression system set to flood the compartment with 1 pound of Halon 1211 (that amount of fire suppressant will treat up to 24cf of open air space to 5% by volume of Halon which means a fire can not sustain in that compartment. Measure the open air space behind your fring-- that's opn air space. You will be "killing ants with a sledge hammer" dumping 1 pound of real Halon on the situation. This will stop the fire, it will protect you (the frig stands right next to the door-- if it is on fire your easy egress is blocked), your RV investment as well as that spot on the interstate. Just imagine less black spots on the side of the road and all for short money $180 + shipping. Our closest competitor is charging $280 for their product if you can find them and their clean agent gas suppressant (FE36, HFC227, Halatron, Halite or what ever fancy name they hang on
> > their new "green gas" is only 60% effective compared to actual Halon 1211 which we still pump) will not do the over the top job our product will.
> >
> > The RV manufacturers, RV dealers both will not talk to us, it's like trying to talk to a hotel about bed bugs, everyone has their collective heads in the sand hoping it will all go away while we are all stuck in a matchbox sporting an easy strike head! Yea, I'm upset about this because 1. they are not truly fixing the past problem they made and 2. by not acknowledging the true nature of the issue they are putting you, me and everyone at a continued risk. If it was an issue with another product there would be a class action suit ongoing and who knows, when someone with clout brings it up to the right people maybe there will be. In the meantime and even after the issue is raised, the best thing to do is take your safety into your hands and have a countermeasure for this fire threat.
> >
> > OK, that's it, I've made my play, this is the story we are trying hard to get out, do what you will with it...
> >
> > Jim Bounds
> > ----------------------
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Don Adams <dj.adams@att.net>
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Norcold recall Notice
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > back to the recall notice;
> >
> > as Bruce said the Norcold 1200 is a large 4 door fridge, but
> > also inclued in a recall are models N841, N821, N641, N621 and 1082. I have a N641 installed by Arch and I have seen them in many coaches. My cooling unit serial number is much later I think than those in the recall. Mostly units installed in 1999 or 2000.
> >
> > If you have a Norcold you should check it out.
> >
> > http://norcoldrecall.com/
> >
> >
> > --
> > Don Adams Dallas, TX
> > '76 26' Glenbrook, '90 Sidekick
> > rebuilt by R Archer, powered by J Bounds, Koba
> >
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