| WTB Table top clips [message #196288] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 10:07  |
tphipps
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I need two of the table top clips that is used on some coaches to hold and support the table top to the coach wall. I have the 2 pieces that go on the wall, but need the two pieces that attach to the table top.
So, if you are rebuilding your interior and no longer want these, or have removed them from a donor coach, I have a home for them.
Tom, MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
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| Re: WTB Table top clips [message #196325 is a reply to message #196288] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 16:51  |
tphipps
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Replying to my own request. The table clips are made by Troyer Products. Their part number is JLTB750 or JLTB725. Numbers depend on where you look on the web.
Had to laugh, one site wanted $30 for the set and $80 for shipping.
Not my cup of tea.
If someone who has this installed in their Avion could verify the bracket size I would appreciate it. Listed sizes, short or inside the "U" is 20 1/2 inches for JLTB750.
Thanks for those providing some input on this quest.
Tom, MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
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| Re: [GMCnet] WTB Table top clips [message #196332 is a reply to message #196325] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 17:26 |
Bruce Hart
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Call Jim K. I'll bet he has them.
Also what year is your coach.
The way the 73 Canyon Lands mounted was a totally different bracket from my
76 Palm Beach
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Thomas Phipps <tph1pp5@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Replying to my own request. The table clips are made by Troyer Products.
> Their part number is JLTB750 or JLTB725. Numbers depend on where you look
> on the web.
> Had to laugh, one site wanted $30 for the set and $80 for shipping.
> Not my cup of tea.
> If someone who has this installed in their Avion could verify the bracket
> size I would appreciate it. Listed sizes, short or inside the "U" is 20
> 1/2 inches for JLTB750.
> Thanks for those providing some input on this quest.
> Tom, MS II
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| Re: WTB Table top clips [message #196335 is a reply to message #196288] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 17:39 |
kerry pinkerton
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Not sure what you are looking for Tom. My parts coach (76 Elle) had a dinette with the flip up table. Is the hardware you need in that configuration?
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
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| Re: WTB Table top clips [message #196429 is a reply to message #196423] |
Fri, 25 January 2013 09:16 |
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now that is an interesting hinge. I wonder if it can support the weight of the table by itself. it would be a nice solution to table storage when the dinette is in use as a bed. still seems like it would need a telescoping leg of some kind. full height to support the table when up, and correct height to support the table when it is in the down position.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
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Birmingham, AL
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| Re: WTB Table top clips [message #196431 is a reply to message #196288] |
Fri, 25 January 2013 09:54 |
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That would make a nice upgrade for my coach. The new table the PO had installed has a C-channel running the length of the wall side of the table, so it has to be slid out the entire length, which requires dropping one of the dinette seats flat for clearance (and a bit of grunting and groaning, since you have to hold the table at JUST the right angle to get it to slide - awkward at best).
Is there any reason to think that the "drop-in" mounts that are included in the kit wouldn't work just fine? I can't imagine hitting a bump sharp enough to dislodge the table (at least not without doing a lot more damage elsewhere!). I suppose it would be possible that someone who was very (!) careless exiting the dinette could bump the table with their legs and dislodge it... but has that ever happened to anyone here who uses a similar mounting system?
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: WTB Table top clips [message #196433 is a reply to message #196431] |
Fri, 25 January 2013 10:38 |
tphipps
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You will need a table leg to hold up the aisle end of the table. It appears that the "U" shaped. Wire serves to support the table top when it is down and being used as a bed. I suggest an adjustable length table leg, as the distance between the table top and the coach floor may not be a standard size. Mine is not.
Going to have to order the set.
Tom, MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
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| Re: WTB Table top clips [message #196434 is a reply to message #196288] |
Fri, 25 January 2013 10:47 |
habbyguy
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Thanks, Tom.... I should have mentioned that the table does already have an adjustable (foldable) leg, so all I need is the quick disconnect at the wall end of the table. The whole kit (including the pivoting arm I don't need) is pretty cheap, but I suspect I can find something similar at the local big box home improvement store that will work the same way.
Mark Hickey
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| Re: WTB Table top clips [message #196437 is a reply to message #196431] |
Fri, 25 January 2013 10:56 |
C Boyd
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Sir: The drop in mounts is what is on my Crestmont. A folding leg is mounted to the underside of the table out toward the end and is a must. Most people when getting up from the table use the table to help push themselves up. Without the leg I believe it would rip it from the wall. With the leg it is very stable. This is a wooden dinette with a flat floor.
On the Birch the bracket is kinda like the optional table that fits on the dash, it is hooked from the top and snaps down. You raise the table to remove. The ends of the bracket have bent tabs that don`t let it slide. The table top broke where it was bolted to the bracket. I`m not sure if it was damaged prior to the wreck or not? This dinette is a folding metal type with a raised floor.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6281-table-brackets.html
| habbyguy wrote on Fri, 25 January 2013 10:54 |
That would make a nice upgrade for my coach. The new table the PO had installed has a C-channel running the length of the wall side of the table, so it has to be slid out the entire length, which requires dropping one of the dinette seats flat for clearance (and a bit of grunting and groaning, since you have to hold the table at JUST the right angle to get it to slide - awkward at best).
Is there any reason to think that the "drop-in" mounts that are included in the kit wouldn't work just fine? I can't imagine hitting a bump sharp enough to dislodge the table (at least not without doing a lot more damage elsewhere!). I suppose it would be possible that someone who was very (!) careless exiting the dinette could bump the table with their legs and dislodge it... but has that ever happened to anyone here who uses a similar mounting system?
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| Re: WTB Table top clips [message #196438 is a reply to message #196434] |
Fri, 25 January 2013 11:04 |
C Boyd
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Sir: the pivot wire is also a must as without it any weight put on the table would drop it out of the top wall brackets. The wire and the leg is what holds the weight. The top brackets only hold the table against the wall and does not support any weight.
| habbyguy wrote on Fri, 25 January 2013 11:47 |
Thanks, Tom.... I should have mentioned that the table does already have an adjustable (foldable) leg, so all I need is the quick disconnect at the wall end of the table. The whole kit (including the pivoting arm I don't need) is pretty cheap, but I suspect I can find something similar at the local big box home improvement store that will work the same way.
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| Re: WTB Table top clips [message #196443 is a reply to message #196433] |
Fri, 25 January 2013 11:41 |
C Boyd
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Tom: On the Crestmont the U shaped wire only supports the table when up. When it is down it lays flat on the dinette wood to make a solid platform for the bed and is not under any pressure except to keep it from sliding out. To install I think you would need to have the table the corect size and laid down in the bed position and mark and install the brackets to the end of the table then the lower wall brackets for the wire then raise and install the top brackets with the table level and The leg in place. I agree the leg height is different on some applications but should be strong enough in case..... I beleve the length of the leg should be perminant per the application. My friend Wally is 350+ lb and has lost his balance under way and ended up sitting on the table. The leg is a main support and is designed to fold up when in the bed position.
http://www.dyersonline.com/tp-fold-up-table-leg.html
| tphipps wrote on Fri, 25 January 2013 11:38 |
You will need a table leg to hold up the aisle end of the table. It appears that the "U" shaped. Wire serves to support the table top when it is down and being used as a bed. I suggest an adjustable length table leg, as the distance between the table top and the coach floor may not be a standard size. Mine is not.
Going to have to order the set.
Tom, MS II
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| Re: WTB Table top clips [message #196449 is a reply to message #196443] |
Fri, 25 January 2013 12:14 |
C Boyd
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Tom: this pic is deceiving as I am holding the table up some. It is actually against the wall when down and lays in the notches under the cushions. The U shaped bracket is not under any pressure when down. I can get better pics when the ice thaws so I can get to the barn.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/table-brackets/p47247-crestmont-2.html
| C Boyd wrote on Fri, 25 January 2013 12:41 |
Tom: On the Crestmont the U shaped wire only supports the table when up. When it is down it lays flat on the dinette wood to make a solid platform for the bed and is not under any pressure except to keep it from sliding out. To install I think you would need to have the table the corect size and laid down in the bed position and mark and install the brackets to the end of the table then the lower wall brackets for the wire then raise and install the top brackets with the table level and The leg in place. I agree the leg height is different on some applications but should be strong enough in case..... I beleve the length of the leg should be perminant per the application. My friend Wally is 350+ lb and has lost his balance under way and ended up sitting on the table. The leg is a main support and is designed to fold up when in the bed position.
http://www.dyersonline.com/tp-fold-up-table-leg.html
| tphipps wrote on Fri, 25 January 2013 11:38 |
You will need a table leg to hold up the aisle end of the table. It appears that the "U" shaped. Wire serves to support the table top when it is down and being used as a bed. I suggest an adjustable length table leg, as the distance between the table top and the coach floor may not be a standard size. Mine is not.
Going to have to order the set.
Tom, MS II
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| Re: WTB Table top clips [message #196457 is a reply to message #196449] |
Fri, 25 January 2013 14:32 |
tphipps
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Ice? It's almost 70 outside. Had to bring out the shrt sleeve shirts. Back to shorts ans sandals next.
Tom, MS II
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| Re: WTB Table top clips [message #196466 is a reply to message #196438] |
Fri, 25 January 2013 16:19 |
habbyguy
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| C Boyd wrote on Fri, 25 January 2013 10:04 |
Sir: the pivot wire is also a must as without it any weight put on the table would drop it out of the top wall brackets. The wire and the leg is what holds the weight. The top brackets only hold the table against the wall and does not support any weight.
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Oh... I went back and looked at the link to the mounting kit, and see that (because of the operation of the pivot "wire leg", the forces on the clips I've been discussing are actually mounted to keep the wall end of the table from moving UP.
Obviously, without the need for that pivot, I would mount those clips "upside down" so I'd drop the wall side of the table down to engage the clips (which I believe would work just as well holding the table up as they do holding it down). As long as the clips are:
1) Strong enough to support a reasonable (50 pounds?) weight,
2) Tight enough so the table doesn't rattle or pop out when driving, and...
3) Easy enough to mount and use...
then they look like a pretty good solution to me.
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: WTB Table top clips [message #196698 is a reply to message #196449] |
Mon, 28 January 2013 18:48 |
C Boyd
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More pics, got to hi 40s today.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/table-brackets/p47254-bottom-of-table.html
| C Boyd wrote on Fri, 25 January 2013 13:14 |
Tom: this pic is deceiving as I am holding the table up some. It is actually against the wall when down and lays in the notches under the cushions. The U shaped bracket is not under any pressure when down. I can get better pics when the ice thaws so I can get to the barn.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/table-brackets/p47247-crestmont-2.html
| C Boyd wrote on Fri, 25 January 2013 12:41 |
Tom: On the Crestmont the U shaped wire only supports the table when up. When it is down it lays flat on the dinette wood to make a solid platform for the bed and is not under any pressure except to keep it from sliding out. To install I think you would need to have the table the corect size and laid down in the bed position and mark and install the brackets to the end of the table then the lower wall brackets for the wire then raise and install the top brackets with the table level and The leg in place. I agree the leg height is different on some applications but should be strong enough in case..... I beleve the length of the leg should be perminant per the application. My friend Wally is 350+ lb and has lost his balance under way and ended up sitting on the table. The leg is a main support and is designed to fold up when in the bed position.
http://www.dyersonline.com/tp-fold-up-table-leg.html
| tphipps wrote on Fri, 25 January 2013 11:38 |
You will need a table leg to hold up the aisle end of the table. It appears that the "U" shaped. Wire serves to support the table top when it is down and being used as a bed. I suggest an adjustable length table leg, as the distance between the table top and the coach floor may not be a standard size. Mine is not.
Going to have to order the set.
Tom, MS II
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| Re: WTB Table top clips [message #196753 is a reply to message #196288] |
Tue, 29 January 2013 10:35 |
habbyguy
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If no one else chimes in, I could really use just the clips that hold the table against the wall (don't need the "wire leg" or anything other than just the two pairs of male/female clips, which I'd use to replace the loooooong channel the PO had installed to hold the table in place). But if someone can use the whole "pivoting system", they should get first dibs.
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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