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Sun, 20 January 2013 06:55  |
PettyVTX
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I noticed yesterday that my body panel above the drivers side rear tires at the belt line has pulled away from the upper panel and has a bulge in it. I guess the glue has turned loose. Any ides on how to fix my problem?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Body panel problems [message #195991 is a reply to message #195987] |
Sun, 20 January 2013 07:43  |
Jim Bounds
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Not uncommon, in that your coach is a 75, you have the SS side mold with the rubber insert. Under it, the upper and lower panels are riveted to a body side front to rear streamer. This design was replaced by the "type 2" body construction which used a front to rear "H" mold aluminum extrusion. The top and bottom panels were glued into the H mold extrusion. Your "Style 1" has had one or more possibly rivets release or panel lift from stress. If it's at the front or back of the rear wheel opening, you may have front to rear body flexing--- this condition is also not unusual, many coach has varying degrees of this. When it effects panels or becomes actually visible you may want to look into solving the cause then rebonding the panels. Also, sight down the side of the coach, if there is a bulge right over the front wheel well, there is also seperation between the floor, frame and body sides. If you want to fix all that, you may want to go
ahead and the the rest of the exterior refinished. All this and more is part of a quality exterior refinish.
Actually, the 26' coach from Arizona had several popped panels, we hopefully removed the stress on the body with a reliable 1/2" gap between the body and frame.
Jim Bounds
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From: Ted Petty <PettyVTX@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 7:55 AM
Subject: [GMCnet] Body panel problems
I noticed yesterday that my body panel above the drivers side rear tires at the belt line has pulled away from the upper panel and has a bulge in it. I guess the glue has turned loose. Any ides on how to fix my problem?
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| Re: Body panel problems [message #195994 is a reply to message #195987] |
Sun, 20 January 2013 08:12 |
PettyVTX
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Thanks Jim This only happenned while sitting since the motor rebuild. I will peel back the rubber moulding and check to see if a rivet has popped. I hope thats all that happenned since the other side has not let go i hope there was no seperation of the body parts. What is a good body Glue? And a good glue to put the moulding back on with.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Body panel problems [message #196001 is a reply to message #195999] |
Sun, 20 January 2013 08:41 |
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Darn,
I meant to say to check the frame just in front AND behind the bogies!
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert Mueller
Sent: Monday, 21 January 2013 1:35 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Body panel problems
Ted,
The rivets are under the stainless steel moulding. I would suggest you also check and see what the condition of the frame just in
front of the bogies is. They have a tendency to rust badly there and the frame gets thin. Also check the condition of the rubber
strip that isolates the body from the frame. If it is the original one it will be squashed and should be replaced.
I believe the epoxy that GMC used was 3M EC-2216. I say that because when I heated some to remove it on The Blue Streak the smell it
gave off was the same as the what I'd smell when we heated 3M EC-2216 during my Project Apollo days.
It is still available.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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From: Ted Petty
Thanks Jim This only happenned while sitting since the motor rebuild. I will peel back the rubber moulding and check to see if a
rivet has popped. I hope thats all that happenned since the other side has not let go i hope there was no seperation of the body
parts. What is a good body Glue?
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| Re: Body panel problems [message #196002 is a reply to message #195987] |
Sun, 20 January 2013 08:55 |
PettyVTX
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Damn Robert now that you mentioned Frame when i had the beast towed home after the major motor malfunction the only thing we could get was a large flatbed and he drug the hitch on the ground. but i would think it would bulge on both sides. it is right above the rear wheel.
Jim what do you use for moulding glue?
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| Re: Body panel problems [message #196009 is a reply to message #195994] |
Sun, 20 January 2013 12:06 |
midlf
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| PettyVTX wrote on Sun, 20 January 2013 08:12 |
I will peel back the rubber molding and check to see if a rivet has popped.
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If you try and "peel it back" I believe you will damage the retaining strip. I started to pull mine off that way but it just did not "feel right". I found it was somewhat easy to slide the rubber off the retainer.
See these pictures:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6119-molding-body-side.html
However be aware, when you take the rubber/vinyl off it will start to shrink lengthwise.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Body panel problems [message #196082 is a reply to message #196066] |
Mon, 21 January 2013 12:29 |
James Hupy
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Ahh yes, the dreaded "chipmonk cheeks" . Not too bad a fix. You can do one
side at a time. Remove the inner fender, co pilot's seat and lower toll
booth window inner panels. This will expose the problem area. What some
have done, if the floor is in good shape, is to place a piece of metal or
wood either above the floor or below it and secure it to the floor. After
adhesives are set up and cured, Using gradually increasing pressure force
the outer body panels back against the newly placed piece. Either
adhesives and/or fasteners can then be used to hold the fit. If the outer
panels are protected from the tools used to press them back, no further
body work is usually required. It is basically a "cut and fit" process.
Hint: Screws can be driven through the rub rail into the new reinforcement
pieces, and are barely noticed.
Repeat for driver side.
Jim Hupy
Salem,Or
78 Gmc Royale 403
On Jan 21, 2013 7:22 AM, "Ted Petty" <PettyVTX@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Here is My battle of the Bulge.
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p47220-body-problems.html
> The green stuff is accent color from sitting.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Body panel problems [message #196086 is a reply to message #196082] |
Mon, 21 January 2013 12:34 |
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this is the front,
but
here is some poop on that
http://gmcmotorhome.info/skin.html#COCKPIT
gene
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:29 AM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ahh yes, the dreaded "chipmonk cheeks" . Not too bad a fix. You can do one
> side at a time. Remove the inner fender, co pilot's seat and lower toll
> booth window inner panels. This will expose the problem area. What some
> have done, if the floor is in good shape, is to place a piece of metal or
> wood either above the floor or below it and secure it to the floor. After
> adhesives are set up and cured, Using gradually increasing pressure force
> the outer body panels back against the newly placed piece. Either
> adhesives and/or fasteners can then be used to hold the fit. If the outer
> panels are protected from the tools used to press them back, no further
> body work is usually required. It is basically a "cut and fit" process.
> Hint: Screws can be driven through the rub rail into the new reinforcement
> pieces, and are barely noticed.
> Repeat for driver side.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem,Or
> 78 Gmc Royale 403
> On Jan 21, 2013 7:22 AM, "Ted Petty" <PettyVTX@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Here is My battle of the Bulge.
> >
> >
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p47220-body-problems.html
> > The green stuff is accent color from sitting.
> > --
> > 75 Avion-----
> >
> > 75 cosworth Vega Toad
> >
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| Re: [GMCnet] Body panel problems [message #196089 is a reply to message #196086] |
Mon, 21 January 2013 13:37 |
James Hupy
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My confusion. I was looking at your picture on my cell phone and I sized
the pix so that I couldn't see the rear tires. I gave you a solution for
the passenger side front. Boy, was that wrong. Sorry. Gene provided pix for
my fix.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:34 AM, gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
> this is the front,
> but
> here is some poop on that
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/skin.html#COCKPIT
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> gene
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:29 AM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Ahh yes, the dreaded "chipmonk cheeks" . Not too bad a fix. You can do
> one
> > side at a time. Remove the inner fender, co pilot's seat and lower toll
> > booth window inner panels. This will expose the problem area. What some
> > have done, if the floor is in good shape, is to place a piece of metal or
> > wood either above the floor or below it and secure it to the floor. After
> > adhesives are set up and cured, Using gradually increasing pressure force
> > the outer body panels back against the newly placed piece. Either
> > adhesives and/or fasteners can then be used to hold the fit. If the outer
> > panels are protected from the tools used to press them back, no further
> > body work is usually required. It is basically a "cut and fit" process.
> > Hint: Screws can be driven through the rub rail into the new
> reinforcement
> > pieces, and are barely noticed.
> > Repeat for driver side.
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem,Or
> > 78 Gmc Royale 403
> > On Jan 21, 2013 7:22 AM, "Ted Petty" <PettyVTX@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here is My battle of the Bulge.
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p47220-body-problems.html
> > > The green stuff is accent color from sitting.
> > > --
> > > 75 Avion-----
> > >
> > > 75 cosworth Vega Toad
> > >
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| Re: [GMCnet] Body panel problems [message #196136 is a reply to message #196122] |
Mon, 21 January 2013 19:04 |
PettyVTX
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Rob It was sitting outside and uncovered this year. I usually cover it up for the winter but i have been working on it a lot and just havent worried too much about the outside till now. I looked as best I can tell it seems to be buckled between two rivets that are spaced about 18 inches apart. I think this summer it looks like im going to pull the strip and get to the bottom of it. Ive got a couple of trips planned thats why I broke it out to clean it up when I noticed the bulge. It sure came up fast. It looks as if someone has used some kind of green adheasive or body filler in it. It just flaked out. It hasnt been cold enough here in Georgia to freeze it so im real curious now. I will let you guys know what i find.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Body panel problems [message #218856 is a reply to message #196082] |
Sun, 18 August 2013 04:26 |
Mr ERFisher
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here is some poop on the cheeks
http://gmcmotorhome.info/skin.html#COCKPIT
gene
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:29 AM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ahh yes, the dreaded "chipmonk cheeks" . Not too bad a fix. You can do one
> side at a time. Remove the inner fender, co pilot's seat and lower toll
> booth window inner panels. This will expose the problem area. What some
> have done, if the floor is in good shape, is to place a piece of metal or
> wood either above the floor or below it and secure it to the floor. After
> adhesives are set up and cured, Using gradually increasing pressure force
> the outer body panels back against the newly placed piece. Either
> adhesives and/or fasteners can then be used to hold the fit. If the outer
> panels are protected from the tools used to press them back, no further
> body work is usually required. It is basically a "cut and fit" process.
> Hint: Screws can be driven through the rub rail into the new reinforcement
> pieces, and are barely noticed.
> Repeat for driver side.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem,Or
> 78 Gmc Royale 403
> On Jan 21, 2013 7:22 AM, "Ted Petty" <PettyVTX@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Here is My battle of the Bulge.
> >
> >
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p47220-body-problems.html
> > The green stuff is accent color from sitting.
> > --
> > 75 Avion-----
> >
> > 75 cosworth Vega Toad
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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