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| Re: [GMCnet] Do Ford wheels work? [message #195527 is a reply to message #195522] |
Mon, 14 January 2013 14:26   |
Carl S.
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Robin,
I don't believe they will. The earlier Ford drop center, 8-lug wheels have the same 8 on 6-1/2" bolt pattern, but the center hole is too big. Later model Ford are a metric bolt pattern and won't even go on the lugs.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Do Ford wheels work? [message #195540 is a reply to message #195533] |
Mon, 14 January 2013 16:35 |
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USAussie
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A,
How was the spacer you designed retained?
If it was just a ring that had an ID the same as the OD of the centering boss on the hub and an OD the same as the ID of the hole in
the wheel it would have to be retained somehow.
If it was a spacer that went in between the wheel and the hub that had a ring as described above it would cost a motsa (Aussie for a
LOT!).
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: A.
Mr ERFisher wrote on Mon, 14 January 2013 14:55
> ask Hupy, he makes some spacers that might make them work
>
> http://www.bdub.net/jhupy/
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> gene
As far as I know, no one has ever made a spacer that compensates for oversized hub holes.
KB started to look into it, and I provided a dimensional drawing for her to take to her machinist, and that is the last I know of
the project.
The design is trivial, but if a machinist wants to make his usual $80 - $100 per hour to produce them, they would cost more than
they are worth (better to just keep looking for rims with the correct hub hole diameter).
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| Re: [GMCnet] Do Ford wheels work? [message #195541 is a reply to message #195540] |
Mon, 14 January 2013 16:36 |
James Hupy
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Rob, good pix on 49ers vendor page.
Jim Hupy
On Jan 14, 2013 2:32 PM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> A,
>
> How was the spacer you designed retained?
>
> If it was just a ring that had an ID the same as the OD of the centering
> boss on the hub and an OD the same as the ID of the hole in
> the wheel it would have to be retained somehow.
>
> If it was a spacer that went in between the wheel and the hub that had a
> ring as described above it would cost a motsa (Aussie for a
> LOT!).
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> USAussie - Downunder
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A.
>
>
> Mr ERFisher wrote on Mon, 14 January 2013 14:55
> > ask Hupy, he makes some spacers that might make them work
> >
> > http://www.bdub.net/jhupy/
> >
> > gene
> As far as I know, no one has ever made a spacer that compensates for
> oversized hub holes.
>
> KB started to look into it, and I provided a dimensional drawing for her
> to take to her machinist, and that is the last I know of
> the project.
>
> The design is trivial, but if a machinist wants to make his usual $80 -
> $100 per hour to produce them, they would cost more than
> they are worth (better to just keep looking for rims with the correct hub
> hole diameter).
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Do Ford wheels work? [message #195547 is a reply to message #195522] |
Mon, 14 January 2013 17:19 |
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mike miller
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Bottom line: The wheels in the ad (text follows) will not work regardless of spacers or not. They have the wrong lug pattern. I have other thoughts, after the ad.
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16" 8 lug 8x170mm chrome rims - $200 (Clinton)
Date: 2013-01-14, 10:48AM EST
mhrx9-3529848955@sale.craigslist.org[?]
these are chrome 16" 8 lug rims. 8x170mm fit 99- newer ford super duty trucks. they are in good shape
Asking $200
All or text 6019882369
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Earlier Ford dually rims have the correct lug pattern but have larger pilot holes. This is not an issue with wheels that use lug centering... as long as you have lugs that match BOTH the studs and the wheels. (The too large pilot hole DOES make it a little harder to install the wheel, but it works fine once installed.) If I understand this things correctly, lug centered dually wheels are normally NOT steel.
-- I normally think "chrome" means chromed steel rims.
-- I notice there isn't any mention of how many wheels are being sold.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Do Ford wheels work? [message #195548 is a reply to message #195541] |
Mon, 14 January 2013 17:30 |
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USAussie
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Jim,
Thanks, I knew somebody made spacers but for the life of me I couldn't remember!
Below is a link:
http://bdub.net/jhupy/
Below is the text accompanying the photo:
GM Hub extenders for '90s steel wheels
The Hub extenders that I make to facilitate the use of 16" GM steel wheels from a 1 Ton GMC or Chev Truck before they went to metric
specs. Don't know the exact years but in the late 90's for sure.
When you use these wheels on our GMC's and you are using the bigger calipers or even in some cases when the rotors are new with the
stock calipers and thick ceramic pads, the calipers will drag on the inside of the wheel. The spacers move the wheel outboard, and
the Hub extenders move the hub centering feature out and center the steel wheels with the hub. They carry no load to speak of, their
purpose is to center the wheel. The studs and nuts clamp the wheel, spacer and hub together as a very sturdy unit.
Questions:
1) How far does the spacer move the wheel outwards?
2) What is the OD of the hub centering ring that attaches to the hub?
3) What is the current price for a set of 6?
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: James Hupy
Rob, good pix on 49ers vendor page.
Jim Hupy
On Jan 14, 2013 2:32 PM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> A,
>
> How was the spacer you designed retained?
>
> If it was just a ring that had an ID the same as the OD of the centering
> boss on the hub and an OD the same as the ID of the hole in
> the wheel it would have to be retained somehow.
>
> If it was a spacer that went in between the wheel and the hub that had a
> ring as described above it would cost a motsa (Aussie for a
> LOT!).
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> USAussie - Downunder
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
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'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Do Ford wheels work? [message #196264 is a reply to message #195540] |
Tue, 22 January 2013 23:08 |
Adrien G.
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Mon, 14 January 2013 16:35 |
A,
How was the spacer you designed retained?
If it was just a ring that had an ID the same as the OD of the centering boss on the hub and an OD the same as the ID of the hole in
the wheel it would have to be retained somehow.
If it was a spacer that went in between the wheel and the hub that had a ring as described above it would cost a motsa (Aussie for a
LOT!).
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: A.
Mr ERFisher wrote on Mon, 14 January 2013 14:55
> ask Hupy, he makes some spacers that might make them work
>
> http://www.bdub.net/jhupy/
>
> gene
As far as I know, no one has ever made a spacer that compensates for oversized hub holes.
KB started to look into it, and I provided a dimensional drawing for her to take to her machinist, and that is the last I know of
the project.
The design is trivial, but if a machinist wants to make his usual $80 - $100 per hour to produce them, they would cost more than
they are worth (better to just keep looking for rims with the correct hub hole diameter).
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Robert,
A straight ring spacer can work if a person also uses the tension
ring(they where on the outside of the OEM 16.5 rims) over the new steel rims.
The center hole of the tension ring is 4.560" ID, and that would locks the ring spacer from coming out.
Need to make sure that a tire changer doesn't ignore and discard
the ring. If it fall off. And that it also gets put back.
Dodge Rims are the same ID as Ford.
Adrien & Jenny Genesoto
75 Glenbrook (26-3) Mods LS3.70 FD / Reaction Sys / 80mm Front&Intermidiate / Hydroboost / 16" Tires / Frame Rebuild / Interior Rebuild
Yuba City,Ca. Text 530-nine-3-three-3-nine-nine-6
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| Re: [GMCnet] Do Ford wheels work? [message #196357 is a reply to message #196266] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 21:21 |
Adrien G.
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Wed, 23 January 2013 02:00 |
Adrien,
I'm sorry but I have never seen the tension ring. I just checked Parts Book 78Z Section 19 and don't find them there.
Do you have a photo of what they looked like?
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrien Genesoto
Robert,
A straight ring spacer can work if a person also uses the tension
ring(they where on the outside of the OEM 16.5 rims) over the new steel rims.
The center hole of the tension ring is 4.560" ID, and that would locks the ring spacer from coming out.
Need to make sure that a tire changer doesn't ignore and discard
the ring. If it fall off. And that it also gets put back.
Dodge Rims are the same ID as Ford.
Adrien
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Robert,
I was surprized how little info on the wheels (rims) the book has.
The tension ring(as I know it by) is 1/4" thick 8-1/2" OD and 4.560 ID., it's used with tappered nuts. Not the flanged nuts.
I have no info on what exactly was OEM under the wheel hub caps,
maybe the PO has modified to what I now have.
I'm PM you also.
Adrien & Jenny Genesoto
75 Glenbrook (26-3) Mods LS3.70 FD / Reaction Sys / 80mm Front&Intermidiate / Hydroboost / 16" Tires / Frame Rebuild / Interior Rebuild
Yuba City,Ca. Text 530-nine-3-three-3-nine-nine-6
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