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| Play in left steering relay arm [message #195329] |
Thu, 10 January 2013 00:44  |
habbyguy
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I just completed a 5,000 mile "Great American Road Trip", driving from AZ through IL, TN, NC, TN, TX and home again (the states were destinations - obviously I touched some in between). 
The coach was great, other than a busted ignition switch in Illinois ($17 for the in-stock replacement at NAPA), and a bad piece of fuel line to my generator (free, since it was in the last few inches). But there was a light front end vibration, and more play in the steering than I'd like, though a whole lot better than before I tightened up the steering box.
So today I rotated the tires, and while the fronts were off, I decided to look for anything loose. What I found is that my steering relay arm seems to have quite a bit of play in it. I put together the following video that clearly shows the problem (ignore the caption referring to the RIGHT arm, it was the left one).
http://youtu.be/_jRxMjykiw4
My questions:
1) Do you think this is enough to cause the vibration and/or slop in the steering?
2) Is it possible to home-rebuild the relay arm, or is this only a shop deal (I do have a 12-ton press and a surplus of free time).
3) What's actually inside the center pivot now (assuming it's original)? Is it a brass or rubber bushing?
Any input would be most appreciated...
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: [GMCnet] Play in left steering relay arm [message #195332 is a reply to message #195329] |
Thu, 10 January 2013 06:58  |
Steven Ferguson
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What Peter said.
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Mark <mark@habcycles.com> wrote:
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> I just completed a 5,000 mile "Great American Road Trip", driving from AZ
> through IL, TN, NC, TN, TX and home again (the states were destinations -
> obviously I touched some in between). :lol:
>
> The coach was great, other than a busted ignition switch in Illinois ($17
> for the in-stock replacement at NAPA), and a bad piece of fuel line to my
> generator (free, since it was in the last few inches). But there was a
> light front end vibration, and more play in the steering than I'd like,
> though a whole lot better than before I tightened up the steering box.
>
> So today I rotated the tires, and while the fronts were off, I decided to
> look for anything loose. What I found is that my steering relay arm seems
> to have quite a bit of play in it. I put together the following video that
> clearly shows the problem (ignore the caption referring to the RIGHT arm,
> it was the left one).
>
> http://youtu.be/_jRxMjykiw4
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> My questions:
> 1) Do you think this is enough to cause the vibration and/or slop in the
> steering?
> 2) Is it possible to home-rebuild the relay arm, or is this only a shop
> deal (I do have a 12-ton press and a surplus of free time).
> 3) What's actually inside the center pivot now (assuming it's original)?
> Is it a brass or rubber bushing?
>
> Any input would be most appreciated...
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> Mark Hickey
> Mesa, AZ
> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: Play in left steering relay arm [message #195333 is a reply to message #195329] |
Thu, 10 January 2013 07:15 |
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Dave's re machined relay is better than OEM and the only option. Dave is a dedicated GMC member with vast machining knowledge. He can rebuild yours or take as core.
John Lebetski
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| Re: [GMCnet] Play in left steering relay arm [message #195335 is a reply to message #195329] |
Thu, 10 January 2013 08:25 |
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Mark,
Response to your queries:
1) Yes
2) No, it's not home rebuild job
3) Check the illustrated parts breakdown of the Steering linkage in Parts Book 78Z page 16-2; there is an exploded view of the relay
lever.
I've read all the other responses to your email and agree with their recommendation of contacting Dave Lenzi for a replacement.
By the way if you look closely at the video you can see the tapered end moving slightly also. That tells me the rubber bushing in
the socket is shot.
When you remove the relay lever check and make sure it DOES NOT have "GOLBY" cast into the surface, if it does Dave can't take it as
a core.
At the very least I'd check the idler arm as well.
By the way how did you "tighten up the steering box?"
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
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USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark
I just completed a 5,000 mile "Great American Road Trip", driving from AZ through IL, TN, NC, TN, TX and home again (the states were
destinations - obviously I touched some in between). :lol:
The coach was great, other than a busted ignition switch in Illinois ($17 for the in-stock replacement at NAPA), and a bad piece of
fuel line to my generator (free, since it was in the last few inches). But there was a light front end vibration, and more play in
the steering than I'd like, though a whole lot better than before I tightened up the steering box.
So today I rotated the tires, and while the fronts were off, I decided to look for anything loose. What I found is that my steering
relay arm seems to have quite a bit of play in it. I put together the following video that clearly shows the problem (ignore the
caption referring to the RIGHT arm, it was the left one).
http://youtu.be/_jRxMjykiw4
My questions:
1) Do you think this is enough to cause the vibration and/or slop in the steering?
2) Is it possible to home-rebuild the relay arm, or is this only a shop deal (I do have a 12-ton press and a surplus of free time).
3) What's actually inside the center pivot now (assuming it's original)? Is it a brass or rubber bushing?
Any input would be most appreciated...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Play in left steering relay arm [message #195336 is a reply to message #195335] |
Thu, 10 January 2013 08:41 |
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Thu, 10 January 2013 07:25 |
By the way how did you "tighten up the steering box?"
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Rob (and others)... thanks for the input. I'm sure a new (rebuilt) relay arm will vastly improve the handling of my coach (it's surprisingly good now, given the amount of play in that relay arm).
I tightened the steering box in-vehicle, so I know that the end of the world as we know it is nigh.  First, I found the "high spot" by careful manipulation of the steering wheel (measuring the amount of "slop" until I found the spot that was "less sloppy", which happily corresponded to straight ahead). I had well over 2" of "easy play" in the wheel to start with - that is, I could move the wheel back and forth that much with almost no effort, and with no movement at output of the steering box. I tightened the box until I had that movement down to something under 3/4" (running it up until the improvement stopped, then backing off).
I know I'm opening myself up to a barrage of naysayers who are gonna tell me that my steering box is going to explode in the next 10 miles, but I put 3,000 miles on the coach since I adjusted it and it's a whole lot better than it was before. I've done the same "fix" on my Jeep, with the same warnings to the same good results, FWIW.
I figure the worst case is that my steering box will eat itself, but then I get to replace a 111,000 mile box with a new (rebuilt) one, which isn't a bad thing (I'm kind of anal about the way my vehicles handle - my Jeep's got 210,000+ miles and the front end is much better than it was when new, even after a 3" lift). The best case is that I'll get the relay arm fixed, and my coach's handling will go from "pretty good" to "fully good". The only down side is the cost of a rebuilt relay arm...
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: Play in left steering relay arm [message #195337 is a reply to message #195329] |
Thu, 10 January 2013 08:45 |
Rick Williams
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Mark
I am confused by this statement of yours.
" But there was a light front end vibration, and more play in the steering than I'd like, though a whole lot better than before I tightened up the steering box."
Are you saying that things got worse after you "tightened" the steering box. You definitely have relay arm issues as well but did you remove the steering box and adjust it as described in the manual?
Rick
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1978 Eleganza II
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| Re: Play in left steering relay arm [message #195338 is a reply to message #195329] |
Thu, 10 January 2013 09:07 |
habbyguy
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Sorry, I thought I was being clearer...
Tightening up the steering box in-vehicle, as I mentioned, vastly improved the handling, by removing the majority of play in the system. I'm sure a rebuilt relay arm will improve the handling some more, and eliminate that "light front end vibration" and remaining slop in the steering (though at a considerably higher cost).
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: Play in left steering relay arm [message #195343 is a reply to message #195329] |
Thu, 10 January 2013 10:09 |
Rick Williams
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Mark
It sounds as if you made improvements by adjusting the steering box but my understanding is that it is impossible to do it right without removing the steering box from the coach. Do a search of the forum and I think you will find that consensus. I seem to recall Ken Henderson talking about this very recently. I removed mine to calibrate it and the hardest part was dealing with the weight of the box.
Rick
Rick Williams
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| Re: Play in left steering relay arm [message #195344 is a reply to message #195343] |
Thu, 10 January 2013 10:15 |
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| Rick Williams wrote on Thu, 10 January 2013 08:09 |
Mark
It sounds as if you made improvements by adjusting the steering box but my understanding is that it is impossible to do it right without removing the steering box from the coach. Do a search of the forum and I think you will find that consensus. I seem to recall Ken Henderson talking about this very recently. I removed mine to calibrate it and the hardest part was dealing with the weight of the box.
Rick
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| Re: Play in left steering relay arm [message #195347 is a reply to message #195329] |
Thu, 10 January 2013 12:16 |
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Yes, "good enough" was what I had to shoot for, being about 2,000 miles from home and not wanting to tear my rig to pieces in my mom's driveway. I know I could have probably gotten the adjustment better if I had the box out on a bench, but the improvement was dramatic, and I believe the way I did it will preclude "overadjustment".
But anyway, back to the original subject (the relay arm repair or replacement). I've found a set of NOS brass bushings for the relay arm. They're a whole lot cheaper than a rebuilt relay arm of course, though I'm sure I'm opening up a new can o' worms. My questions:
1) Will it be likely that my spool (steering bushing in GMC-speak) will be undersize enough that I'll have real problems? It's steel, so I'm guessing the vast majority of any wear will be in the brass bushings that ride on the spool.
2) Is there any reason I couldn't get the brass bushings out and into the relay arm with a 12-ton shop press (or barring that, a local machine shop)?
It just seems like I could get a 90% solution for a small fraction of the price of a rebuilt relay arm (which I believe is a great deal, as far as that goes).
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: [GMCnet] Play in left steering relay arm [message #195348 is a reply to message #195347] |
Thu, 10 January 2013 13:21 |
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is all this anguish worth the cost of a dinner
and
risk of more problems?
gene
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Mark <mark@habcycles.com> wrote:
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> Yes, "good enough" was what I had to shoot for, being about 2,000 miles
> from home and not wanting to tear my rig to pieces in my mom's driveway. I
> know I could have probably gotten the adjustment better if I had the box
> out on a bench, but the improvement was dramatic, and I believe the way I
> did it will preclude "overadjustment".
>
> But anyway, back to the original subject (the relay arm repair or
> replacement). I've found a set of NOS brass bushings for the relay arm.
> They're a whole lot cheaper than a rebuilt relay arm of course, though I'm
> sure I'm opening up a new can o' worms. My questions:
>
> 1) Will it be likely that my spool (steering bushing in GMC-speak) will be
> undersize enough that I'll have real problems? It's steel, so I'm guessing
> the vast majority of any wear will be in the brass bushings that ride on
> the spool.
> 2) Is there any reason I couldn't get the brass bushings out and into the
> relay arm with a 12-ton shop press (or barring that, a local machine shop)?
>
> It just seems like I could get a 90% solution for a small fraction of the
> price of a rebuilt relay arm (which I believe is a great deal, as far as
> that goes).
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> Mesa, AZ
> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: [GMCnet] Play in left steering relay arm [message #195351 is a reply to message #195348] |
Thu, 10 January 2013 14:25 |
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| Mr ERFisher wrote on Thu, 10 January 2013 12:21 |
is all this anguish worth the cost of a dinner
and
risk of more problems?
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That all depends on how you look at the ownership of a classic vehicle. A slight dip or blip in the stock market can make or lose me many times the cost of a new relay arm, and I won't lose any sleep over it. But from a "hobbyist" perspective, I like to do as much of my own work as I can (and have been building up the specialist tools to do so over the decades). Getting deeper into the nuts and bolts level of my motorhome is something I enjoy, and I'm realistic enough to know that no matter how much time and money I lavish on my 35 year old motorhome, it's never going to be quite "new" again... my goal is to keep it operational and fix anything that rises to the level of "annoying problem".
In this case, I can conceivably spend $10 and eliminate the "annoying problem" even if it might be a somewhat lesser fix than a rebuilt arm (at a cost of $300 to $500). I might end up wasting my time and $10, but I can live with that.
And it's not that I don't appreciate the efforts of the vendors who are supporting those who don't want to take it to the level I do... they're absolutely keeping the GMC motorhomes on the road, and one of them will likely end up with a wad of my money in their pocket in exchange for a rebuilt relay arm. But I'd like to be able to answer some of the questions I've asked about the DIY (read "cheap") approach.
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: Play in left steering relay arm [message #195361 is a reply to message #195347] |
Thu, 10 January 2013 15:32 |
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Where did you find the NOS bushings for the relay arm? I have one I would like to try to rebuild. Thanks.
| habbyguy wrote on Thu, 10 January 2013 12:16 |
Yes, "good enough" was what I had to shoot for, being about 2,000 miles from home and not wanting to tear my rig to pieces in my mom's driveway. I know I could have probably gotten the adjustment better if I had the box out on a bench, but the improvement was dramatic, and I believe the way I did it will preclude "overadjustment".
But anyway, back to the original subject (the relay arm repair or replacement). I've found a set of NOS brass bushings for the relay arm. They're a whole lot cheaper than a rebuilt relay arm of course, though I'm sure I'm opening up a new can o' worms. My questions:
1) Will it be likely that my spool (steering bushing in GMC-speak) will be undersize enough that I'll have real problems? It's steel, so I'm guessing the vast majority of any wear will be in the brass bushings that ride on the spool.
2) Is there any reason I couldn't get the brass bushings out and into the relay arm with a 12-ton shop press (or barring that, a local machine shop)?
It just seems like I could get a 90% solution for a small fraction of the price of a rebuilt relay arm (which I believe is a great deal, as far as that goes).
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| Re: Play in left steering relay arm [message #195364 is a reply to message #195329] |
Thu, 10 January 2013 17:28 |
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As far as the box, the partial adjustment you did seems to be ok as a stop gap measure. Can't be done perfectly in coach but I too have done this on Saginaw boxes RESISTING the temptation to tighten it more. 1/8 turn increments til no visible lag in output on center. More is not better here. Dave has to machine the relay to install and adjust his precision bearings which are then locked down with no slop. Not a home job as this is a safety item and risk of death or injury goes with loss of vehicle control. Relay arm height has to match idler height (shimmed) or bind can result. This is because the reman has no rubber at the relay to center link joint is is not forgiving. The new relay will have 2 zerks as well.
John Lebetski
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| Re: [GMCnet] Play in left steering relay arm [message #195366 is a reply to message #195351] |
Thu, 10 January 2013 18:20 |
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Mark,
For the record I have adjusted steering boxes in VW's by adjusting the nut on the top as you've described and it worked fine.
Not sure what you mean by this "But I'd like to be able to answer some of the questions I've asked about the DIY (read "cheap")
approach;" as I did respond directly to your three questions.
My questions:
1) Do you think this is enough to cause the vibration and/or slop in the steering?
2) Is it possible to home-rebuild the relay arm, or is this only a shop deal (I do have a 12-ton press and a surplus of free time).
3) What's actually inside the center pivot now (assuming it's original)? Is it a brass or rubber bushing?
1) Yes
2) No, it's not home rebuild job
3) Check the illustrated parts breakdown of the Steering linkage in Parts Book 78Z page 16-2; there is an exploded view of the relay
lever.
People have also responded to your "good enough" adjustment of the steering box.
I therefore assume that you want to know if there is a way to repair the slop in the pivot of the relay lever at home the answer is
actually yes if you have the tools and skill to do this:
Re-Built Relay Lever made from your existing lever. Spool O.D. is ground, a new Ampco bronze bushing is installed at the pivot
point. The tapered stud is ground and a Ampco bronze bushing is installed with grease fitting.
The
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark
Mr ERFisher wrote on Thu, 10 January 2013 12:21
> is all this anguish worth the cost of a dinner
> and
> risk of more problems?
That all depends on how you look at the ownership of a classic vehicle. A slight dip or blip in the stock market can make or lose
me many times the cost of a new relay arm, and I won't lose any sleep over it. But from a "hobbyist" perspective, I like to do as
much of my own work as I can (and have been building up the specialist tools to do so over the decades). Getting deeper into the
nuts and bolts level of my motorhome is something I enjoy, and I'm realistic enough to know that no matter how much time and money I
lavish on my 35 year old motorhome, it's never going to be quite "new" again... my goal is to keep it operational and fix anything
that rises to the level of "annoying problem".
In this case, I can conceivably spend $10 and eliminate the "annoying problem" even if it might be a somewhat lesser fix than a
rebuilt arm (at a cost of $300 to $500). I might end up wasting my time and $10, but I can live with that.
And it's not that I don't appreciate the efforts of the vendors who are supporting those who don't want to take it to the level I
do... they're absolutely keeping the GMC motorhomes on the road, and one of them will likely end up with a wad of my money in their
pocket in exchange for a rebuilt relay arm. But I'd like to be able to answer some of the questions I've asked about the DIY (read
"cheap") approach.
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Mark
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| Re: [GMCnet] Play in left steering relay arm [message #195374 is a reply to message #195366] |
Thu, 10 January 2013 22:54 |
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Thu, 10 January 2013 17:20 |
Not sure what you mean by this "But I'd like to be able to answer some of the questions I've asked about the DIY (read "cheap")
approach;" as I did respond directly to your three questions.
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I asked a couple more "nuts and bolts" kind of questions later, and it seems that no one has actually rebuilt their own relay arm (which I can understand, FWIW), mainly about what I'm going to find when I do get the arm off and start measuring / working on it.
Besides, I just blew my relay arm budget buying a braking system for my (unidentified) toad... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290842844172 This is the same system I have installed in my coach, and is a LOT cheaper than getting the parts for the toad directly from VIP (like almost 65% cheaper, and I get "spares" for the coach-mounted bits).
FWIW, I haven't been able to find the "spool" for the relay arm anywhere, and (so far) don't really know whether to expect the old one to be reusable or not. I may just order a Golby rebuild kit which includes the bushing, seals and new spool. It'll cost more ($108) but will save a lot of turning over rocks looking for other NOS parts, and will minimize the down time or core return hassles.
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: [GMCnet] Play in left steering relay arm [message #195381 is a reply to message #195374] |
Fri, 11 January 2013 07:05 |
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Mark,
And when you're done you're still going to have a relay lever that has a worn out rubber bushing on the tapered end.
However, I guess that will meet your requirement of being "good enough." ;-)
Regards,
Rob "Good Enough For Project Apollo Tecnician" M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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From: Mark
I asked a couple more "nuts and bolts" kind of questions later, and it seems that no one has actually rebuilt their own relay arm
(which I can understand, FWIW), mainly about what I'm going to find when I do get the arm off and start measuring / working on it.
Besides, I just blew my relay arm budget buying a braking system for my (unidentified) toad...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290842844172 This is the same system I have installed in my coach, and is a LOT
cheaper than getting the parts for the toad directly from VIP (like almost 65% cheaper, and I get "spares" for the coach-mounted
bits).
FWIW, I haven't been able to find the "spool" for the relay arm anywhere, and (so far) don't really know whether to expect the old
one to be reusable or not. I may just order a Golby rebuild kit which includes the bushing, seals and new spool. It'll cost more
($108) but will save a lot of turning over rocks looking for other NOS parts, and will minimize the down time or core return
hassles.
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Mark
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| Re: [GMCnet] Play in left steering relay arm [message #195386 is a reply to message #195374] |
Fri, 11 January 2013 08:40 |
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You should be aware that when I installed a Golby setup several years back I found that their bushing was too short and allowed a lot of up and down movement in in relay arm which translated to a lot of slop in the steering. I corrected it by making a shim that fit on the shaft above the bushing.
If I were doing it again I would order the Lenzi rebuilt arm which would fit properly.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
On Jan 10, 2013, at 11:54 PM, Mark <mark@habcycles.com> wrote:
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> Robert Mueller wrote on Thu, 10 January 2013 17:20
>> Not sure what you mean by this "But I'd like to be able to answer some of the questions I've asked about the DIY (read "cheap")
>> approach;" as I did respond directly to your three questions.
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> I asked a couple more "nuts and bolts" kind of questions later, and it seems that no one has actually rebuilt their own relay arm (which I can understand, FWIW), mainly about what I'm going to find when I do get the arm off and start measuring / working on it.
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> Besides, I just blew my relay arm budget buying a braking system for my (unidentified) toad... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290842844172 This is the same system I have installed in my coach, and is a LOT cheaper than getting the parts for the toad directly from VIP (like almost 65% cheaper, and I get "spares" for the coach-mounted bits).
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> FWIW, I haven't been able to find the "spool" for the relay arm anywhere, and (so far) don't really know whether to expect the old one to be reusable or not. I may just order a Golby rebuild kit which includes the bushing, seals and new spool. It'll cost more ($108) but will save a lot of turning over rocks looking for other NOS parts, and will minimize the down time or core return hassles.
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> Mark Hickey
> Mesa, AZ
> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: [GMCnet] Play in left steering relay arm [message #195387 is a reply to message #195381] |
Fri, 11 January 2013 09:00 |
C Boyd
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Rob, somewhere in your stuff is a link to how to tighten tie rod ends. Something about drilling a hole at a specific place and put a screw in it? A little here a little there.
| Robert Mueller wrote on Fri, 11 January 2013 08:05 |
Mark,
And when you're done you're still going to have a relay lever that has a worn out rubber bushing on the tapered end.
However, I guess that will meet your requirement of being "good enough." 
Regards,
Rob "Good Enough For Project Apollo Tecnician" M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark
I asked a couple more "nuts and bolts" kind of questions later, and it seems that no one has actually rebuilt their own relay arm
(which I can understand, FWIW), mainly about what I'm going to find when I do get the arm off and start measuring / working on it.
Besides, I just blew my relay arm budget buying a braking system for my (unidentified) toad...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290842844172 This is the same system I have installed in my coach, and is a LOT
cheaper than getting the parts for the toad directly from VIP (like almost 65% cheaper, and I get "spares" for the coach-mounted
bits).
FWIW, I haven't been able to find the "spool" for the relay arm anywhere, and (so far) don't really know whether to expect the old
one to be reusable or not. I may just order a Golby rebuild kit which includes the bushing, seals and new spool. It'll cost more
($108) but will save a lot of turning over rocks looking for other NOS parts, and will minimize the down time or core return
hassles.
--
Mark
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