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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: FW: New E15 Gasoline dangerous for pre-2012 engines [message #194929 is a reply to message #194902] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 09:04   |
jhbridges
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I'd expcet the makers to vary from ambivalent to for it... on the premise that it will push a certain number of owners over the 'time for a new one' cliff. Fpr those who actually buy new cars anyway. Last new one we bought was a VW Fox wagon in 1988.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: FW: New E15 Gasoline dangerous for pre-2012 engines
Dwayne,
Unbelievable, next the Federal Trade Commission Consumer Protection Agency will initiate a law suit against the car manufacturers
for not honoring their warranties!
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dwayne Jacobson
*Subject: *New E15 Gasoline dangerous for pre-2012 engines
*The following links warn of the danger of E15 (15% corn alcohol) gasoline
when used in car engines older than 2012. This corn mixture is starting to
appear in gas stations, having been approved by the government.
Watch this video from Fox Business...if your *CAR IS OLDER THAN 2012 *you
need to *AVOID THE NEW E15 GAS *that is just starting to show up at gas
stations. Many car companies will not honor the warranty on your car if
you use this new gas.
An ad will appear before the FOXBusiness Report.
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2000862202001/
Other sources:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/30/aaa-e15-gas-harm-cars/1735793/
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/biofuels/e15-gasoline-damage-engine
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2012/12/warning-e15-fuel-may-harm-your-vehicles-engine.html
Dwayne
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: FW: New E15 Gasoline dangerous for pre-2012 engines [message #194930 is a reply to message #194902] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 09:06 |
jknezek
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Guys I've posted this before. The EPA mandates that E15 be distributed from a separate, clearly marked hose and nozzle. For a sample of the required warning/marking, please see this page toward the bottom:
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/additive/e15/e15-faq.htm
Therefore, if you put E15 in your older vehicle, it's because a) you weren't paying attention, or b) you didn't read the warning. While this may change at some point, right now E15 should not be an issue. Given the problems of adapting E85 to common use, and the expense of setting up an E15 distribution system, outside the corn states and the west coast, I just don't see too many service stations laying out the money required to dispense this product without a subsidy.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: FW: New E15 Gasoline dangerous for pre-2012 engines [message #194932 is a reply to message #194892] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 09:23 |
GeorgeRud
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I agree that just like diesel fuel and E85, the dispensing hose will be clearly marked, but still worry that folks will pump the wrong fuel. Though the members of this list are generally quite knowledgeable on these concerns, I do wonder how many folks in the general public will understand these options at the fuel pump.
I fear many folks will just look at the fuel pump and pick the cheapest option. After all, who hasn't heard of diesel fuel in a gasoline engine, or gasoline being put into a diesel? Also, what do you think will happen to the rental cars (though they are usually newer vehicles and should be able to survive)?
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: FW: New E15 Gasoline dangerous for pre-2012 engines [message #194934 is a reply to message #194932] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 09:31 |
jhbridges
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One more reason to skip 'Program Cars' from dealers and resales from rental companies when looking for another ride. I've never understood why they brag "Off Lease" and "Program Car" in their ads. To me this says "Poorly treated used car. Beware."
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: George Rudawsky <GeorgeRud@aol.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: FW: New E15 Gasoline dangerous for pre-2012 engines
I agree that just like diesel fuel and E85, the dispensing hose will be clearly marked, but still worry that folks will pump the wrong fuel. Though the members of this list are generally quite knowledgeable on these concerns, I do wonder how many folks in the general public will understand these options at the fuel pump.
I fear many folks will just look at the fuel pump and pick the cheapest option. After all, who hasn't heard of diesel fuel in a gasoline engine, or gasoline being put into a diesel? Also, what do you think will happen to the rental cars (though they are usually newer vehicles and should be able to survive)?
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George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: FW: New E15 Gasoline dangerous for pre-2012 engines [message #194937 is a reply to message #194930] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 10:08 |
Ken Henderson
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About 2 months ago I saw a big sign on I-75 in mid-Georgia advertising E15,
"First in Georgia" -- as if it was something to be proud of! :-(
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Jeremy wrote:
> ...Given the problems of adapting E85 to common use, and the expense of
> setting up an E15 distribution system, outside the corn states and the west
> coast, I just don't see too many service stations laying out the money
> required to dispense this product without a subsidy.
> --
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: FW: New E15 Gasoline dangerous for pre-2012 engines [message #194950 is a reply to message #194932] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 13:50 |
jknezek
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| GeorgeRud wrote on Sun, 06 January 2013 10:23 |
I agree that just like diesel fuel and E85, the dispensing hose will be clearly marked, but still worry that folks will pump the wrong fuel. Though the members of this list are generally quite knowledgeable on these concerns, I do wonder how many folks in the general public will understand these options at the fuel pump.
I fear many folks will just look at the fuel pump and pick the cheapest option. After all, who hasn't heard of diesel fuel in a gasoline engine, or gasoline being put into a diesel? Also, what do you think will happen to the rental cars (though they are usually newer vehicles and should be able to survive)?
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Given the bell curve for intelligence in the human species it is pretty much inevitable. As you pointed out, it happens with diesel even though the nozzle won't fit in the fill tube. However, it is an impossible chore to protect everyone from their own... I'll be nice and say "shortcomings". You just have to provide the opportunity for people, behaving rationally, to protect themselves.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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