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| Repainting the stripe??? [message #193996] |
Tue, 25 December 2012 20:36  |
kerry pinkerton
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My 77 has pretty nice original beige paint. Still shiny and solid. The stripe however, is a different story. It has bubbled, peeled, been repainted with a brush at least once and while it looks good at 20' up close it leaves a bit to be desired. I'm wondering if anyone has had any success sanding off just the stripe and repainting something over the stripe area?
I've painted a few cars but they were whole car repaints from bare metal. I've never attempted a partial of this nature.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Repainting the stripe??? [message #193997 is a reply to message #193996] |
Tue, 25 December 2012 20:51  |
Kosier
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Kerry,
A bunch of years ago, we knocked the nose off our '77 Eleganza on a deer.
Couldn't get the decals, so they painted the stripes back on. Used a Ford
color that matched.(sorta') They painted the rest of the stripes so they
matched
perfectly. Used a gold Trim-Brite tape for the trim stripe.
Gary Kosier
77 EL2, 77 PB
Newark, Oh
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From: Kerry Pinkerton
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 9:36 PM
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Subject: [GMCnet] Repainting the stripe???
My 77 has pretty nice original beige paint. Still shiny and solid. The
stripe however, is a different story. It has bubbled, peeled, been
repainted with a brush at least once and while it looks good at 20' up close
it leaves a bit to be desired. I'm wondering if anyone has had any success
sanding off just the stripe and repainting something over the stripe area?
I've painted a few cars but they were whole car repaints from bare metal.
I've never attempted a partial of this nature.
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Kerry Pinkerton
North Alabama, near Huntsville,
77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as an
Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: Repainting the stripe??? [message #194003 is a reply to message #193996] |
Tue, 25 December 2012 21:27 |
kerry pinkerton
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So are the stripes tape? I assumed they were paint because ours has been painted over...
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: Repainting the stripe??? [message #194009 is a reply to message #193996] |
Tue, 25 December 2012 22:09 |
GeorgeRud
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I believe that John Lebetski may have someone that can reproduce the stripes. You might want to contact him (JohnL455) to check what he may have available.
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Repainting the stripe??? [message #194010 is a reply to message #194003] |
Tue, 25 December 2012 22:15 |
James Hupy
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I have seen both paint and decals. Paint on early coaches, Decals on later
ones. I probably prefer paint, given a choice.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Gmc Royale 403
On Dec 25, 2012 7:27 PM, "Kerry Pinkerton" <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com> wrote:
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> So are the stripes tape? I assumed they were paint because ours has been
> painted over...
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> Kerry Pinkerton
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> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
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> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as
> an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] Repainting the stripe??? [message #194016 is a reply to message #193996] |
Wed, 26 December 2012 04:21 |
Mr ERFisher
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this works well for vinal stripes
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/gmc-chemicals-and-tools/p31661-vinyl-strip-remover.html
gene
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Kerry Pinkerton <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com>wrote:
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> My 77 has pretty nice original beige paint. Still shiny and solid. The
> stripe however, is a different story. It has bubbled, peeled, been
> repainted with a brush at least once and while it looks good at 20' up
> close it leaves a bit to be desired. I'm wondering if anyone has had any
> success sanding off just the stripe and repainting something over the
> stripe area?
>
> I've painted a few cars but they were whole car repaints from bare metal.
> I've never attempted a partial of this nature.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
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> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>
> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as
> an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] Repainting the stripe??? [message #194051 is a reply to message #194008] |
Wed, 26 December 2012 12:16 |
Jim Bounds
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As you can see, there are many things folks use to remove decals from the body. The trick is to not damage and gouge the paint surface under the decal. We have found that an "eraser wheel" (get a case of them) works best for us. Causes no damage that takes more time to fix. Does not damage the paint at all, yes you go through a bunch of wheels but do it once, do it right and be done with it. The eraser wheel gets the decal & glue and leaves a nice smooth original paint finish. Use other methods and you will usualyy have repairs...
Good luck,
Jim Bounds
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From: 1104agm <1104agm@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Repainting the stripe???
Mine on the 76 was a decal and came off with pressure washer and then remove the glue with decal remover.
Art & Doris
76 El Decatur AL
On Dec 25, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
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> So are the stripes tape? I assumed they were paint because ours has been painted over...
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
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> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
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> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] Repainting the stripe??? [message #194052 is a reply to message #194010] |
Wed, 26 December 2012 12:35 |
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While I have seen both paint and decals (tape) on GMC's, I am fairly certain that _ALL_ OEM (and most Transmode) stripes where decals. Note that there where several types of decals used. The GM installed stripes are different than the vinyl ones on my '78 Birchaven (Coachman) and my '77 Birch has two different types of stripes... both original to the coach. GM installed the front part and the stripes rear of the cockpit area added my Coachman. (I ASSUME they LOOKED matched when new.)
The reason that I bring this up is that different types of stripes respond to removal in different ways. Heating seems to remove vinyl stripes fairly well, but I wish I had figured out that I could have just removed the color from my faded '78 Coachman installed vinyl stripes with acetone. A light rubbing with acetone makes them bright white, and ready for repainting with vinyl paint.
While I have not tried removing mine, I have been told the best way to remove the GM installed decals are with a rubber eraser wheel. Like this:
<http://www.eastwood.com/vinyl-eraser-and-arbor.html>
If you have a mid-1975 to mid-1978, the original paint should be Imron paint. It should clean up and buff out nicely and is worth saving if you can.
There are a few ways to recreate OEM stripes, But I agree with Jim that nicely painted stripes would be the best way to go.
| James Hupy wrote on Tue, 25 December 2012 20:15 |
I have seen both paint and decals. Paint on early coaches, Decals on later ones. I probably prefer paint, given a choice.
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> So are the stripes tape? I assumed they were paint because
> ours has been painted over...
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(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
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| Re: Repainting the stripe??? [message #194053 is a reply to message #193996] |
Wed, 26 December 2012 13:21 |
Darryl
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John Lebetski did the stripes for his 77. He has pictures posted somewhere and may still have the graphic file.
Darryl Meyers
1978 Eleganza II
El Dorado Hills, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Repainting the stripe??? [message #194060 is a reply to message #194052] |
Wed, 26 December 2012 14:27 |
Jim Bounds
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Yes, that is the "eraser wheel", like I said you will go through several so buy a case. Stick on decals gave a different look to paint on striping-- all depends on what look you want. Take "cost" out of it because either way there is cost involved. We did a decal stripe, yes can have them made, but there was almost as much time installing it as we spent painting on a similar stripe. Use pin stripe tape to clean up the edges and any wiggle in the layout-- works out well,
Jim Bounds
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From: Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Repainting the stripe???
While I have seen both paint and decals (tape) on GMC's, I am fairly certain that _ALL_ OEM (and most Transmode) stripes where decals. Note that there where several types of decals used. The GM installed stripes are different than the vinyl ones on my '78 Birchaven (Coachman) and my '77 Birch has two different types of stripes... both original to the coach. GM installed the front part and the stripes rear of the cockpit area added my Coachman. (I ASSUME they LOOKED matched when new.)
The reason that I bring this up is that different types of stripes respond to removal in different ways. Heating seems to remove vinyl stripes fairly well, but I wish I had figured out that I could have just removed the color from my faded '78 Coachman installed vinyl stripes with acetone. A light rubbing with acetone makes them bright white, and ready for repainting with vinyl paint.
While I have not tried removing mine, I have been told the best way to remove the GM installed decals are with a rubber eraser wheel. Like this:
<http://www.eastwood.com/vinyl-eraser-and-arbor.html>
If you have a mid-1975 to mid-1978, the original paint should be Imron paint. It should clean up and buff out nicely and is worth saving if you can.
There are a few ways to recreate OEM stripes, But I agree with Jim that nicely painted stripes would be the best way to go.
James Hupy wrote on Tue, 25 December 2012 20:15
> I have seen both paint and decals. Paint on early coaches, Decals on later ones. I probably prefer paint, given a choice.
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> > So are the stripes tape? I assumed they were paint because
> > ours has been painted over...
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(#1)'73 26' exPainted D. -- (#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] Repainting the stripe??? [message #194066 is a reply to message #194003] |
Wed, 26 December 2012 16:25 |
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I have quite a few of NOS original strip kits. Remembering
that they are 30+ years old, they are essentially unusable.
Most will not release without damage from the carrier
background and/or the transfer tape has permanently bonded
itself to the vinyl.
For the most part, they appear to be printed (litho?) on
clear vinyl, as were most of the model name logos. I looked
in to reproducing them, but the volumes just are not their
to make any business sense.
In my opinion , if you are going for an 'original look'
paint job, you would better off to have the stripes painted
on and then clear coat the entire vehicle.
On 12/25/2012 7:27 PM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
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> So are the stripes tape? I assumed they were paint because ours has been painted over...
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| Re: Repainting the stripe??? [message #194078 is a reply to message #193996] |
Wed, 26 December 2012 20:22 |
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Either way it isn't inexpensive. I did mine by having a graphics shop reproduce the tape on a backing. The front wide/narrow stripes are on the same backing so they will be parallel when applied. My shop still has the file for all the parts if interested. The front wrap is extremely difficult and Mr. Bozart had loaned me NOS GM parts stripes in the wrappers so we could copy the compound intersecting angles of the corner. I wanted to have my EII as close to factory as possible, plus I figure the mask job is at least as difficult as the decal application, and then you still have to paint in multiple steps. The paint would be more durable on a coach that lived outdoors.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: Repainting the stripe??? [message #194134 is a reply to message #193996] |
Thu, 27 December 2012 19:23 |
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My coach is S/N 78 and it had tape. I replaced mine 4 yrs ago and it needs to have the stripe replaced having sat in the AZ sun.
Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Repainting the stripe??? [message #194166 is a reply to message #193996] |
Thu, 27 December 2012 02:58 |
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I covered the ragged edges of the stripes on our 76 Royale with vinyl s tripe tape from Universal Products, G oddard Kansas. It comes in a variety of widths and colors.
jack & mary kincaid, castro valley, ca
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From: "Kerry Pinkerton" <Pinkertonk@MCHSI.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 6:36:05 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] Repainting the stripe???
My 77 has pretty nice original beige paint. Â Still shiny and solid. Â The stripe however, is a different story. Â It has bubbled, peeled, been repainted with a brush at least once and while it looks good at 20' up close it leaves a bit to be desired. Â I'm wondering if anyone has had any success sanding off just the stripe and repainting something over the stripe area?
I've painted a few cars but they were whole car repaints from bare metal. Â I've never attempted a partial of this nature.
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Kerry Pinkerton
North Alabama, near Huntsville,
77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: Repainting the stripe??? [message #194901 is a reply to message #193996] |
Sat, 05 January 2013 15:19 |
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We just went over the original stripe decals. I had one of the companies that does body wraps for vans do the work. We found the original colors by looking at the tape in the door jamb and fuel door where it hadn't faded and got dead-on matches from Pantone colors. The new vinyl is much thinner than the original stripes, so it didn't add much. I found a resource at one of the gmc parts sites for the GMC and Palm Beach logos.
Total cost was less than $500 and it looks much better than most of the custom jobs I've seen.
Eric Rowland
'76 Palm Beach
Indianapolis, Indiana
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