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| [GMCnet] Zapppped! Confounded electrons... [message #193122] |
Sun, 16 December 2012 22:28  |
Tim Jeffries
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I'm stuck and need some AC>DC help here guys.
The wet weather brought on a new problem, I guess. I'm a Park Host and live
between my trailer and my 26er.
I have a (the only RV hook-up - it's an Open Space Preserve, not an RV
Park) sweet campsite with 220V and heavy 110V for the trailer
along with the 100 amp service provided by the County of San Diego - way
out here in Hellhole Canyon Open Space Preserve.
I have not had my GMC on the road yet -I've been working on it part-time
(as I go to school -and on break right now) Since I bought her
in late June - and have only had a recent rural test drive -and top off of
the tanks. A total of 25 miles. She seems to run pretty well now, YaY!
However, the other night in pouring down rain with two heaters running
(yes, potential over amping) and a bit of a drip coming in off a leaky
vent, I blew a circuit.
(The rain test worked). Seems to drip down in to an area with the converter
and the incoming electrical. ahem. Well, it doesn't rain much here.
SO then the "lights" went out.... rather both heaters stopped. I froze. the
next day I looked the fuse box over, yes the bottom one was burnt,
I replaced with a shorter, but worthy fuse. which burnt again eventually.
But it took me a while being new at this, to realize I was running the
interior lights off the batteries. - had to leave for a day or two, but now
I'm trouble-searching and have no clue how the batteries are charged by
the AC 220v system. I was reading a blog that talked about a $26.00 part
called a ___________ that might have gone out. (I stopped to look that
up... taking too long...but will later).
So now I'm on Extension-cord power so I don't have to burn up my batteries.
I will launch this now and add to it as you query me.
Tim Jeffries - Park Host
N. San Diego Cty, CA
1973 26 er -with 6000W Onan. It may be a Painted Desert or Canyonlands -
not sure.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Zapppped! Confounded electrons... [message #193124 is a reply to message #193122] |
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| Tim Jeffries wrote on Sun, 16 December 2012 20:28 |
I'm stuck and need some AC>DC help here guys...
... a bit of a drip coming in off a leaky
vent, I blew a circuit.
(The rain test worked). Seems to drip down in to an area with the converter
and the incoming electrical. ahem. Well, it doesn't rain much here.
SO then the "lights" went out.... rather both heaters stopped. I froze. the
next day I looked the fuse box over, yes the bottom one was burnt,
I replaced with a shorter, but worthy fuse. which burnt again eventually.
But it took me a while being new at this, to realize I was running the
interior lights off the batteries. ...
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1st the AC power system does NOT use fuses. All the fuses are for the 12v system. These are rated with AMPS and the different lengths are for technical differences,,, so a "shorter, but worthy fuse" might not have been a good replacement. Find and use a correctly sized one before thinking you have problem that needs "fixing."
As a side note: If you ever need to replace a fuse with one of a different amperage, always go smaller that the rated one rather than larger. that way it might blow again, but you will not burn your coach up. (Best to just use the correct size.)
Anyway, you'll need to ensure the wiring has been dried out and check your _circuit breakers_. The CB are "switch like things" normally found in a gray box in the hallway cabinet. Like in a house system, Most CB will move to a half-way position when tripped. Turn it off and back on to reset it.
Disconnect any equipment that might have gotten wet and check it separately.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
http://m000035.blogspot.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Zapppped! Confounded electrons... [message #193125 is a reply to message #193124] |
Sun, 16 December 2012 23:13 |
Tim Jeffries
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Ok, the hair dryer is now on the CBs. But honestly, I never saw anything
wet. I even pulled the converter out and checked underneath it -at least as
far as the attached wiring would let me.
I am now resetting all CBs again (will wait for the blow dryer a bit).
Thanks -
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> Tim Jeffries wrote on Sun, 16 December 2012 20:28
> > I'm stuck and need some AC>DC help here guys...
> >
> > ... a bit of a drip coming in off a leaky
> > vent, I blew a circuit.
> > (The rain test worked). Seems to drip down in to an area with the
> converter
> > and the incoming electrical. ahem. Well, it doesn't rain much here.
> > SO then the "lights" went out.... rather both heaters stopped. I froze.
> the
> > next day I looked the fuse box over, yes the bottom one was burnt,
> > I replaced with a shorter, but worthy fuse. which burnt again eventually.
> > But it took me a while being new at this, to realize I was running the
> > interior lights off the batteries. ...
>
>
> 1st the AC power system does NOT use fuses. All the fuses are for the 12v
> system. These are rated with AMPS and the different lengths are for
> technical differences,,, so a "shorter, but worthy fuse" might not have
> been a good replacement. Find and use a correctly sized one before
> thinking you have problem that needs "fixing."
>
> As a side note: If you ever need to replace a fuse with one of a different
> amperage, always go smaller that the rated one rather than larger. that
> way it might blow again, but you will not burn your coach up. (Best to
> just use the correct size.)
>
> Anyway, you'll need to ensure the wiring has been dried out and check your
> _circuit breakers_. The CB are "switch like things" normally found in a
> gray box in the hallway cabinet. Like in a house system, Most CB will move
> to a half-way position when tripped. Turn it off and back on to reset it.
>
> Disconnect any equipment that might have gotten wet and check it
> separately.
>
>
> --
> Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
> (#1)'73 26' exPainted D. -- (#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23'
> Birchaven Side Bath
> http://m000035.blogspot.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Zapppped! Confounded electrons... [message #193127 is a reply to message #193125] |
Sun, 16 December 2012 23:32 |
Tim Jeffries
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Hey, I think I'm making headway. the cabin lights got brighter when I
finally got the (two strapped outer 20s and two TIED 40s in the inside []
40/40 []
the [] is the 20. marked Circuit #1 portable appliance and Circuit #2
portable appliance. the two 40s are marked MAIN BREAKER. then there is a
30 amp breaker below marked Air Conditioner.
YAT, I think I got it....now gotts check the Refridgerator (its unplugged).
Yes the Sockets are now working!
Back to you in a minute...
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Tim Jeffries <landhoundgmcer@gmail.com>wrote:
> Ok, the hair dryer is now on the CBs. But honestly, I never saw anything
> wet. I even pulled the converter out and checked underneath it -at least as
> far as the attached wiring would let me.
> I am now resetting all CBs again (will wait for the blow dryer a bit).
> Thanks -
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Tim Jeffries wrote on Sun, 16 December 2012 20:28
>> > I'm stuck and need some AC>DC help here guys...
>> >
>> > ... a bit of a drip coming in off a leaky
>> > vent, I blew a circuit.
>> > (The rain test worked). Seems to drip down in to an area with the
>> converter
>> > and the incoming electrical. ahem. Well, it doesn't rain much here.
>> > SO then the "lights" went out.... rather both heaters stopped. I froze.
>> the
>> > next day I looked the fuse box over, yes the bottom one was burnt,
>> > I replaced with a shorter, but worthy fuse. which burnt again
>> eventually.
>> > But it took me a while being new at this, to realize I was running the
>> > interior lights off the batteries. ...
>>
>>
>> 1st the AC power system does NOT use fuses. All the fuses are for the
>> 12v system. These are rated with AMPS and the different lengths are for
>> technical differences,,, so a "shorter, but worthy fuse" might not have
>> been a good replacement. Find and use a correctly sized one before
>> thinking you have problem that needs "fixing."
>>
>> As a side note: If you ever need to replace a fuse with one of a
>> different amperage, always go smaller that the rated one rather than
>> larger. that way it might blow again, but you will not burn your coach up.
>> (Best to just use the correct size.)
>>
>> Anyway, you'll need to ensure the wiring has been dried out and check
>> your _circuit breakers_. The CB are "switch like things" normally found in
>> a gray box in the hallway cabinet. Like in a house system, Most CB will
>> move to a half-way position when tripped. Turn it off and back on to reset
>> it.
>>
>> Disconnect any equipment that might have gotten wet and check it
>> separately.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
>> (#1)'73 26' exPainted D. -- (#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77
>> 23' Birchaven Side Bath
>> http://m000035.blogspot.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Zapppped! Confounded electrons... [message #193129 is a reply to message #193127] |
Mon, 17 December 2012 00:13 |
Tim Jeffries
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Yes the fridge is finally working .... the catalytic lighter for the
propane was clicking away furiously...but it finally gave up.. Timed out
perhaps?
Awesome. Thank you! I goes it was just that little extra tug it took to
reset the set of 20s. I had tried twice before but you encouraged me to
push harder and that's what did it. Thank you, Mike!
In the mean-time I took a look at your blog-site. I need new Running light
lenses and had spoken to Jim K couple weeks ago thinking I might order a
couple of the entire lithe (at $12.50 each) -I have now changed my mind
seeing our fix on the sells. Trimming away the seal and resealing around
the edges should work just fine and will save me some big bucks. I will
call him tomorrow.
BTW I was talking to him about HHO and he is a dealer. He has a fellow down
here, Chuck... That I believe is a GMC owner and you may know him. He is
here in the SD area (a lot closer than Jim, up in SJ area). Chuck is
apparently pretty helpful and may have some insight on the use for GMCers.
I was considering giving it a try, first on my little Scion xB, then on the
Magic Bus. Any thoughts?
Thanks again, Jim. You have saved the day:)!
Tim J.
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Tim Jeffries <landhoundgmcer@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hey, I think I'm making headway. the cabin lights got brighter when I
> finally got the (two strapped outer 20s and two TIED 40s in the inside []
> 40/40 []
> the [] is the 20. marked Circuit #1 portable appliance and Circuit #2
> portable appliance. the two 40s are marked MAIN BREAKER. then there is a
> 30 amp breaker below marked Air Conditioner.
> YAT, I think I got it....now gotts check the Refridgerator (its unplugged).
> Yes the Sockets are now working!
> Back to you in a minute...
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Tim Jeffries <landhoundgmcer@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Ok, the hair dryer is now on the CBs. But honestly, I never saw anything
>> wet. I even pulled the converter out and checked underneath it -at least as
>> far as the attached wiring would let me.
>> I am now resetting all CBs again (will wait for the blow dryer a bit).
>> Thanks -
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Jeffries wrote on Sun, 16 December 2012 20:28
>>> > I'm stuck and need some AC>DC help here guys...
>>> >
>>> > ... a bit of a drip coming in off a leaky
>>> > vent, I blew a circuit.
>>> > (The rain test worked). Seems to drip down in to an area with the
>>> converter
>>> > and the incoming electrical. ahem. Well, it doesn't rain much here.
>>> > SO then the "lights" went out.... rather both heaters stopped. I
>>> froze. the
>>> > next day I looked the fuse box over, yes the bottom one was burnt,
>>> > I replaced with a shorter, but worthy fuse. which burnt again
>>> eventually.
>>> > But it took me a while being new at this, to realize I was running the
>>> > interior lights off the batteries. ...
>>>
>>>
>>> 1st the AC power system does NOT use fuses. All the fuses are for the
>>> 12v system. These are rated with AMPS and the different lengths are for
>>> technical differences,,, so a "shorter, but worthy fuse" might not have
>>> been a good replacement. Find and use a correctly sized one before
>>> thinking you have problem that needs "fixing."
>>>
>>> As a side note: If you ever need to replace a fuse with one of a
>>> different amperage, always go smaller that the rated one rather than
>>> larger. that way it might blow again, but you will not burn your coach up.
>>> (Best to just use the correct size.)
>>>
>>> Anyway, you'll need to ensure the wiring has been dried out and check
>>> your _circuit breakers_. The CB are "switch like things" normally found in
>>> a gray box in the hallway cabinet. Like in a house system, Most CB will
>>> move to a half-way position when tripped. Turn it off and back on to reset
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Disconnect any equipment that might have gotten wet and check it
>>> separately.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
>>> (#1)'73 26' exPainted D. -- (#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77
>>> 23' Birchaven Side Bath
>>> http://m000035.blogspot.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Zapppped! Confounded electrons... [message #193149 is a reply to message #193122] |
Mon, 17 December 2012 10:25 |
zhagrieb
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The lights in the coach are all 12V and run off the house batteries and/or the converter. That's the way it is supposed to be. The converter keeps the batteries charged. The cartridge fuses protect the 12V. circuits.
Most likely the only 110 devices in your coach are the air conditioner, possibly the refrigerator, the converter, the water heater and anything plugged into one of the 110 outlets. Everything else; lights, fans, water pump; run off 12V.
The tied 40A circuit breaker is the main disconnect for the incoming 110/220 power. If you are plugged into a 50A park feed you have two 40 amp, 110 volt circuits available in the coach. One side of the ganged 40 amp breaker feeds one of the 20 amp breakers. The other feeds the second 20 amp breaker and the breaker for the AC. If you are plugged into a 30 amp feed you have a total of only 30 amps available between the two 40 amp circuits.
There is a plumbing drain vent in the roof above the electrical pane area. A good place to look for the leak.
Glenn
Glenn Giere, Portland OR, K7GAG
'73 "Moby the Motorhome" 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] Zapppped! Confounded electrons... [message #193198 is a reply to message #193182] |
Mon, 17 December 2012 18:04 |
Rick Williams
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The term is "igniter" when referring to the ignition system. If it is working and you hear the high voltage sparking then you do not have an electrical problem as far as fuses are concerned. It is possible to still have an electrical problem but you need to check a couple of other things first. I don't want to insult you, but is the propane turned on? If so, you need to remove the cover from the burner area and inspect it for debris. They will become clogged with rust to the point where the burner will not light. They should be inspected at least once per year. The link below has a free download of the service manual for your frig. Check it out and then get back to us.
http://bryantrv.com//docs.html
Rick
Rick Williams
Bliss, Michigan
1978 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Zapppped! Confounded electrons... [message #193217 is a reply to message #193198] |
Mon, 17 December 2012 19:10 |
Tim Jeffries
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Thank you, Rick and Mark- I finally reached a local RV tech and he said
that even though it shocked me, the socket that the fridge is plugged into
might not be working well. He said to test it with a known working device
(I chose a desk-lamp) and he was right! The lamp did not work. there is a
wire that was loose in the back of the socket. I tomorrow I go to ACE for a
new socket -meantime I'm on an extension cord - and working just fine -
Yay! (Since I'm the Park Host, the County pays my power bill -sweet) [But
they won't pay for propane -so guess what I burn]
But I really would like to understand more about this 110V AC, 12v DC,
Propane system.
I will check the propane valve to see if open. And probably fill it up
tomorrow - should I top it off all the way or run some sort of test and
just partially fill it? Good idea, I will blow the burners out with an air
hose, too.
How can I tell if the propane tank is OK inside? (Do they need
re-certification once in a while?)
Oh and then the Dometic CS gal sent me a service manual, too! (Responding
to my email) I'm getting loads of attention:)
Thanks to all of you!
Tim
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Rick Williams <rgw246@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> The term is "igniter" when referring to the ignition system. If it is
> working and you hear the high voltage sparking then you do not have an
> electrical problem as far as fuses are concerned. It is possible to still
> have an electrical problem but you need to check a couple of other things
> first. I don't want to insult you, but is the propane turned on? If so, you
> need to remove the cover from the burner area and inspect it for debris.
> They will become clogged with rust to the point where the burner will not
> light. They should be inspected at least once per year. The link below has
> a free download of the service manual for your frig. Check it out and then
> get back to us.
>
> http://bryantrv.com//docs.html
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> --
> Rick Williams
> Gladstone, Michigan
> 1978 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Zapppped! Confounded electrons... [message #193259 is a reply to message #193129] |
Tue, 18 December 2012 06:06 |
Bruce Hart
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Tim, you were referring to Chuck Botts. He did a short write up in the
GMC Western States.
http://www.gmcws.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Botts%20fuel%20cell%20seminar.pdf
There are two good active forums on HHO:
http://www.hhoforums.com/
http://reduceyourfuelbill.com.au/forum/index.php
Like here on the GMC Net these guys are very helpful, but they want
you to do some research through their archives so as not to keep
answering the same questions over and over.
A series of YouTube videos to help explain HHO production:
http://www.youtube.com/user/hhoconnection
On 12/16/12, Tim Jeffries <landhoundgmcer@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes the fridge is finally working .... the catalytic lighter for the
> propane was clicking away furiously...but it finally gave up.. Timed out
> perhaps?
> Awesome. Thank you! I goes it was just that little extra tug it took to
> reset the set of 20s. I had tried twice before but you encouraged me to
> push harder and that's what did it. Thank you, Mike!
>
> In the mean-time I took a look at your blog-site. I need new Running light
> lenses and had spoken to Jim K couple weeks ago thinking I might order a
> couple of the entire lithe (at $12.50 each) -I have now changed my mind
> seeing our fix on the sells. Trimming away the seal and resealing around
> the edges should work just fine and will save me some big bucks. I will
> call him tomorrow.
> BTW I was talking to him about HHO and he is a dealer. He has a fellow down
> here, Chuck... That I believe is a GMC owner and you may know him. He is
> here in the SD area (a lot closer than Jim, up in SJ area). Chuck is
> apparently pretty helpful and may have some insight on the use for GMCers.
> I was considering giving it a try, first on my little Scion xB, then on the
> Magic Bus. Any thoughts?
> Thanks again, Jim. You have saved the day:)!
> Tim J.
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Tim Jeffries
> <landhoundgmcer@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hey, I think I'm making headway. the cabin lights got brighter when I
>> finally got the (two strapped outer 20s and two TIED 40s in the inside []
>> 40/40 []
>> the [] is the 20. marked Circuit #1 portable appliance and Circuit #2
>> portable appliance. the two 40s are marked MAIN BREAKER. then there is a
>> 30 amp breaker below marked Air Conditioner.
>> YAT, I think I got it....now gotts check the Refridgerator (its
>> unplugged).
>> Yes the Sockets are now working!
>> Back to you in a minute...
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Tim Jeffries
>> <landhoundgmcer@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, the hair dryer is now on the CBs. But honestly, I never saw anything
>>> wet. I even pulled the converter out and checked underneath it -at least
>>> as
>>> far as the attached wiring would let me.
>>> I am now resetting all CBs again (will wait for the blow dryer a bit).
>>> Thanks -
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tim Jeffries wrote on Sun, 16 December 2012 20:28
>>>> > I'm stuck and need some AC>DC help here guys...
>>>> >
>>>> > ... a bit of a drip coming in off a leaky
>>>> > vent, I blew a circuit.
>>>> > (The rain test worked). Seems to drip down in to an area with the
>>>> converter
>>>> > and the incoming electrical. ahem. Well, it doesn't rain much here.
>>>> > SO then the "lights" went out.... rather both heaters stopped. I
>>>> froze. the
>>>> > next day I looked the fuse box over, yes the bottom one was burnt,
>>>> > I replaced with a shorter, but worthy fuse. which burnt again
>>>> eventually.
>>>> > But it took me a while being new at this, to realize I was running
>>>> > the
>>>> > interior lights off the batteries. ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1st the AC power system does NOT use fuses. All the fuses are for the
>>>> 12v system. These are rated with AMPS and the different lengths are
>>>> for
>>>> technical differences,,, so a "shorter, but worthy fuse" might not have
>>>> been a good replacement. Find and use a correctly sized one before
>>>> thinking you have problem that needs "fixing."
>>>>
>>>> As a side note: If you ever need to replace a fuse with one of a
>>>> different amperage, always go smaller that the rated one rather than
>>>> larger. that way it might blow again, but you will not burn your coach
>>>> up.
>>>> (Best to just use the correct size.)
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, you'll need to ensure the wiring has been dried out and check
>>>> your _circuit breakers_. The CB are "switch like things" normally found
>>>> in
>>>> a gray box in the hallway cabinet. Like in a house system, Most CB
>>>> will
>>>> move to a half-way position when tripped. Turn it off and back on to
>>>> reset
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Disconnect any equipment that might have gotten wet and check it
>>>> separately.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
>>>> (#1)'73 26' exPainted D. -- (#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77
>>>> 23' Birchaven Side Bath
>>>> http://m000035.blogspot.com
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Zapppped! Confounded electrons... [message #193263 is a reply to message #193259] |
Tue, 18 December 2012 06:51 |
Jim Bounds
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I am trying to investigate more about HHO, had it on a customer coach who blew his motor. Going to take it off that one and put it on my coach to give it a descent testing. I do think Chuck B. is onto something, sure seems to work for him. Still you must work the system, it's not something you can install and forget about it, there is maintenance and operation that must be followed.
I do hope to have a system up and running soon though,
Jim Bounds
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From: Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Zapppped! Confounded electrons...
Tim, you were referring to Chuck Botts. He did a short write up in the
GMC Western States.
http://www.gmcws.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Botts%20fuel%20cell%20seminar.pdf
There are two good active forums on HHO:
http://www.hhoforums.com/
http://reduceyourfuelbill.com.au/forum/index.php
Like here on the GMC Net these guys are very helpful, but they want
you to do some research through their archives so as not to keep
answering the same questions over and over.
A series of YouTube videos to help explain HHO production:
http://www.youtube.com/user/hhoconnection
On 12/16/12, Tim Jeffries <landhoundgmcer@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes the fridge is finally working .... the catalytic lighter for the
> propane was clicking away furiously...but it finally gave up.. Timed out
> perhaps?
> Awesome. Thank you! I goes it was just that little extra tug it took to
> reset the set of 20s. I had tried twice before but you encouraged me to
> push harder and that's what did it. Thank you, Mike!
>
> In the mean-time I took a look at your blog-site. I need new Running light
> lenses and had spoken to Jim K couple weeks ago thinking I might order a
> couple of the entire lithe (at $12.50 each) -I have now changed my mind
> seeing our fix on the sells. Trimming away the seal and resealing around
> the edges should work just fine and will save me some big bucks. I will
> call him tomorrow.
> BTW I was talking to him about HHO and he is a dealer. He has a fellow down
> here, Chuck... That I believe is a GMC owner and you may know him. He is
> here in the SD area (a lot closer than Jim, up in SJ area). Chuck is
> apparently pretty helpful and may have some insight on the use for GMCers.
> I was considering giving it a try, first on my little Scion xB, then on the
> Magic Bus. Any thoughts?
> Thanks again, Jim. You have saved the day:)!
> Tim J.
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Tim Jeffries
> <landhoundgmcer@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hey, I think I'm making headway. the cabin lights got brighter when I
>> finally got the (two strapped outer 20s and two TIED 40s in the inside []
>> 40/40 []
>> the [] is the 20. marked Circuit #1 portable appliance and Circuit #2
>> portable appliance. the two 40s are marked MAIN BREAKER. then there is a
>> 30 amp breaker below marked Air Conditioner.
>> YAT, I think I got it....now gotts check the Refridgerator (its
>> unplugged).
>> Yes the Sockets are now working!
>> Back to you in a minute...
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Tim Jeffries
>> <landhoundgmcer@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, the hair dryer is now on the CBs. But honestly, I never saw anything
>>> wet. I even pulled the converter out and checked underneath it -at least
>>> as
>>> far as the attached wiring would let me.
>>> I am now resetting all CBs again (will wait for the blow dryer a bit).
>>> Thanks -
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tim Jeffries wrote on Sun, 16 December 2012 20:28
>>>> > I'm stuck and need some AC>DC help here guys...
>>>> >
>>>> > ... a bit of a drip coming in off a leaky
>>>> > vent, I blew a circuit.
>>>> > (The rain test worked). Seems to drip down in to an area with the
>>>> converter
>>>> > and the incoming electrical. ahem. Well, it doesn't rain much here.
>>>> > SO then the "lights" went out.... rather both heaters stopped. I
>>>> froze. the
>>>> > next day I looked the fuse box over, yes the bottom one was burnt,
>>>> > I replaced with a shorter, but worthy fuse. which burnt again
>>>> eventually.
>>>> > But it took me a while being new at this, to realize I was running
>>>> > the
>>>> > interior lights off the batteries. ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1st the AC power system does NOT use fuses. All the fuses are for the
>>>> 12v system. These are rated with AMPS and the different lengths are
>>>> for
>>>> technical differences,,, so a "shorter, but worthy fuse" might not have
>>>> been a good replacement. Find and use a correctly sized one before
>>>> thinking you have problem that needs "fixing."
>>>>
>>>> As a side note: If you ever need to replace a fuse with one of a
>>>> different amperage, always go smaller that the rated one rather than
>>>> larger. that way it might blow again, but you will not burn your coach
>>>> up.
>>>> (Best to just use the correct size.)
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, you'll need to ensure the wiring has been dried out and check
>>>> your _circuit breakers_. The CB are "switch like things" normally found
>>>> in
>>>> a gray box in the hallway cabinet. Like in a house system, Most CB
>>>> will
>>>> move to a half-way position when tripped. Turn it off and back on to
>>>> reset
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Disconnect any equipment that might have gotten wet and check it
>>>> separately.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
>>>> (#1)'73 26' exPainted D. -- (#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77
>>>> 23' Birchaven Side Bath
>>>> http://m000035.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Zapppped! Confounded electrons... [message #193280 is a reply to message #193278] |
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tphipps
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You might try turnings on the gas range and see if gas flow is there. Leave the valve open until you smell gas, then turn it off. Sometimes it will take a little time for the gas to start to flow if it has not been used in awhile. The lines are full of air, and it has to be displaced with gas before anything can happen. The propane tank valve operates either full on or full off, no partway setting. And, if they haven't been opened in a long time, they stick. Mine stuck so bad, I thought the valve was fully opened. Turned out it was still sealed very tight.
It's always fun to figure out these things.
Tom, MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG
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