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| Front drive diesel with no rear axles [message #193067] |
Sun, 16 December 2012 10:29  |
rcjordan
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http://dallassmithcorp.com/products/lo-floor-chassis/ford-chassis/ford-z-frame-chassis-with-intellisync-connect/
6.7L Power Stroke™ V8 Turbo Diesel
Platforms: Available on either a Ford F-450 or F-550 platform. The Z-Frame™ is manufactured on a front wheel drive Ford F-450/F-550 Lo-Floor™ chassis cab platform, is produced by MOR/Ryde International.
Stability & Ease Of Use: The Z-Frame™ Lo-Floor™ chassis cab has a step-in/step-out floor height as low as 8″ – meaning that no lifts or steep ramps are required for passenger boarding accessibility. Z-Frame™ chassis are available in 14,500 lbs. to 19,500 lbs. gross vehicle weight ratings (GVWR). All Z-Frame™ chassis incorporate an Axleless® air ride Wide – Trac™ rear independent suspension which provides improved vehicle handling and stability.
Axleless rear suspension
http://dallassmithcorp.com/products/axleless/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front drive diesel with no rear axles [message #193068 is a reply to message #193067] |
Sun, 16 December 2012 11:01  |
Ronald Pottol
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Well, let's put together a kickstarter to build the replacement for the
GMC.
Ron
p. s. I'm in for at least $100
On Dec 16, 2012 8:29 AM, "RC Jordan" <rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:
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> http://dallassmithcorp.com/products/lo-floor-chassis/ford-chassis/ford-z-frame-chassis-with-intellisync-connect/
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> 6.7L Power Stroke™ V8 Turbo Diesel
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> Platforms: Available on either a Ford F-450 or F-550 platform. The
> Z-Frame™ is manufactured on a front wheel drive Ford F-450/F-550
> Lo-Floor™ chassis cab platform, is produced by MOR/Ryde International.
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> Stability & Ease Of Use: The Z-Frame™ Lo-Floor™ chassis cab
> has a step-in/step-out floor height as low as 8″ – meaning that
> no lifts or steep ramps are required for passenger boarding accessibility.
> Z-Frame™ chassis are available in 14,500 lbs. to 19,500 lbs. gross
> vehicle weight ratings (GVWR). All Z-Frame™ chassis incorporate an
> Axleless® air ride Wide – Trac™ rear independent suspension
> which provides improved vehicle handling and stability.
>
> Axleless rear suspension
> http://dallassmithcorp.com/products/axleless/
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| Re: Front drive diesel with no rear axles [message #193074 is a reply to message #193067] |
Sun, 16 December 2012 13:40 |
GeorgeRud
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Is that the same as the Workhorse chassis that JimB used? I think the he would take a lot of convincing to attempt that again, and someone would have had to win the Lottery to want to afford it!
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: Front drive diesel with no rear axles [message #193085 is a reply to message #193067] |
Sun, 16 December 2012 17:06 |
kerry pinkerton
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This is a Ford Powerstroke unit. Might be easier or more difficult than the Workhorse units. Sooner or later, these will start showing up in salvage yards and used truck lots.
I'd think grafting on a new front sub-frame would be much simpler than trying to integrate an entire chassis with anti-lock brakes like Jim B did.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front drive diesel with no rear axles [message #193092 is a reply to message #193089] |
Sun, 16 December 2012 18:18 |
C Boyd
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Rob: Jim B built 2 workhorse GMCs. The 26' had the oem GMC dual wheels. The 23' he built had a single rear wheel setup and was the workhorse and I believe it had ABS..
| Robert Mueller wrote on Sun, 16 December 2012 18:50 |
Kerry,
JimB used the OEM rear bogie's and brake setup - might have changed them to disks but I'm not sure about that. At any rate I am
reasonably confident the rear brakes did not have ABS.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Pinkerton
This is a Ford Powerstroke unit. Might be easier or more difficult than the Workhorse units. Sooner or later, these will start
showing up in salvage yards and used truck lots.
I'd think grafting on a new front sub-frame would be much simpler than trying to integrate an entire chassis with anti-lock brakes
like Jim B did.
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Kerry
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front drive diesel with no rear axles [message #193099 is a reply to message #193098] |
Sun, 16 December 2012 19:52 |
Kingsley Coach
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Before I put up the big money, matching Ronald's from wherever, what kind
of mileage can I expect??
Mike in NS
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Sammy Williams <bd5av8r@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you have the rear full size bed, would it not be easier to just go with
> a rear engine Detroit Diesel if you going that far? (just musing out loud)
> ...
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> S. Williams
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> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au
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> > Chuck,
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> > Agreed, the '23 footer was a GMC body on the Workhorse chassis.
> >
> > I helped him sort out the brakes on the '26. He had purchased a high
> > dollar bleeder with a diaphragm and couldn't figger out why
> > they kept getting air in the brakes when his guys bled them. There were
> > two reasons, they had the wrong adapter for the master
> > cylinder and there was a hole in the bleeder's diaphragm.
> >
> > I got the correct part number for the M/C adapter and Jim ordered one and
> > a new diaphragm. After that "Bob's your Uncle" (good to go
> > in Aussie.)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob M.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charles Boyd
> >
> > Rob: Jim B built 2 workhorse GMCs. The 26' had the oem GMC dual wheels.
> > The 23' he built had a single rear wheel setup and was
> > the workhorse and I believe it had ABS..
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> > C. Boyd
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front drive diesel with no rear axles [message #193132 is a reply to message #193085] |
Mon, 17 December 2012 05:46 |
Steven Ferguson
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Kerry,
I agree with you on this. Hot rodders have been clipping old car frames
for 30 years and making it work, and work well.
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Kerry Pinkerton <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com>wrote:
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> This is a Ford Powerstroke unit. Might be easier or more difficult than
> the Workhorse units. Sooner or later, these will start showing up in
> salvage yards and used truck lots.
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> I'd think grafting on a new front sub-frame would be much simpler than
> trying to integrate an entire chassis with anti-lock brakes like Jim B did.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
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> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
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> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as
> an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front drive diesel with no rear axles [message #193134 is a reply to message #193132] |
Mon, 17 December 2012 07:10 |
Kingsley Coach
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gene
Why did I know you already had the answer! <VBG>
Mike in NS
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>wrote:
> Kerry,
> I agree with you on this. Hot rodders have been clipping old car frames
> for 30 years and making it work, and work well.
>
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Kerry Pinkerton <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com
> >wrote:
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> >
> >
> > This is a Ford Powerstroke unit. Might be easier or more difficult than
> > the Workhorse units. Sooner or later, these will start showing up in
> > salvage yards and used truck lots.
> >
> > I'd think grafting on a new front sub-frame would be much simpler than
> > trying to integrate an entire chassis with anti-lock brakes like Jim B
> did.
> > --
> > Kerry Pinkerton
> >
> > North Alabama, near Huntsville,
> >
> > 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as
> > an Art Deco car hauler
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> Fathom the hypocrisy of a nation where every citizen must prove they have
> health insurance......but not everyone has to prove they're a citizen.
> Steve Ferguson
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front drive diesel with no rear axles [message #193136 is a reply to message #193131] |
Mon, 17 December 2012 07:30 |
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Gene,
I checked the Seminar Handout Section of GMCMI and Bill's installation is not there. Marc Hogenboom's is and he noted he got 14-15
mpg no towd.
I also checked the GMCMI Newsletters for 2000 and nothing there about Bill's diesel either.
You're mates with Manny, what kind of mileage does he get with his 4 cylinder diesel?
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: gene Fisher
Before I put up the big money, matching Ronald's from wherever, what kind of mileage can I expect??
oh - about 8 to 10 mpg - depending on if you tow
bout the same as your 455 gmc
here is JimB's correct answer ( never stated the final MPG:>)
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I jumped out on that limb to the tune of big bucks to figure out I will
probably never do that again. BTW, I did 2 of these Duramax chassis
swaps-- as if it was not aparent the first time it was a cash sucking pig!!!
Jim Bounds
if you could read the tech presentation from Hubler on GMCMI (2000)
you would see the pain on a GMC
I love my car diesel
gene
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front drive diesel with no rear axles [message #193151 is a reply to message #193071] |
Mon, 17 December 2012 10:39 |
jhbridges
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I stopped off at his joint last week. Not cheap, but inexpensive in the long run, the work he does - it all looked good. He said he had no intention of doing another diesel based on the time it took and the costs incurred. I don't blame him.
--johnny
'876 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Front drive diesel with no rear axles
Jim Bounds used the on from GM on the 23' that he did for the TV actor .
I don't think there are many that will put up the money to do it.
Jim B has experience and knowledge.
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, RC Jordan <rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:
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> All I need is the diesel drivetrain. Too bad it costs more than a
> ready-to-drive GMC.
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| Re: Front drive diesel with no rear axles [message #193178 is a reply to message #193067] |
Mon, 17 December 2012 14:40 |
ken
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I own the 23' Duramax.
Too much misinformation and incorrect information is floating around....at least as pertains to the 23D.
On the trip home from Florida, on a new engine I got 15 to 17 MPG, and the engine was spinning faster than needed on a set of gears intended for around town delivery.
Ken Ecton
74 23' X-CanyonLands/Duramax
64 Corvette Coupe
29 Ford Tudor/Corvette
Various other drivers
Northern Colorado
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