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Thu, 08 November 2012 23:02  |
gene1
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I bought my sofa from Eurotec on 7 Nov 2001 for $535.00 and I picked it up
at the factory. I paid extra to get it longer, reaches from the kitchen to
above the front step.
A width greater than 47 or 48 inches takes up most of the aisle up forward.
To get a wider jack knife sofa in a GMC you would have to put it cross wise,
thus no aisle, front to back.
I have a full size bed in the back cross wise, very comfortable, but the
person next to the window can't get out unless the person up front gets up
too. A particular problem also if you have claustophobia.
Good luck on your project.
Gene, 76 Eleganza North County San Diego
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want
> There is an outfit in the LA area, Eurotec, 562 806 6171, that made me a
> jack knife sofa, 75 x 47 that fits my eleganza behind the drivers seat.
> They custom make beds for trucks, vans and RV's. You might call them for
> a quote, they ship throughout the country. Mine is very high quality.
> Regards,
> Gene 76 Eleganza, north county San Diego
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>> I took some measurements and did some web searching.
>> For the sofa/sleeper behind the driver's seat, I am looking for a "short
>> queen" (aka "rv queen") jack knife sofa.
>> I didn't have a lot of luck finding one, and couldn't really tell if they
>> exist as a non-custom article.
>> As a sofa, it would be 75" long, folded out to a bed it would be 75" long
>> and 60" wide.
>> Anybody ever seen or heard of such a thing?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #189748 is a reply to message #189693] |
Fri, 09 November 2012 16:38  |
A Hamilto
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| gene1 wrote on Thu, 08 November 2012 23:02 |
A.
I bought my sofa from Eurotec on 7 Nov 2001 for $535.00 and I picked it up at the factory. I paid extra to get it longer, reaches from the kitchen to above the front step.
A width greater than 47 or 48 inches takes up most of the aisle up forward. To get a wider jack knife sofa in a GMC you would have to put it cross wise, thus no aisle, front to back.
I have a full size bed in the back cross wise, very comfortable, but the person next to the window can't get out unless the person up front gets up too. A particular problem also if you have claustophobia.
Good luck on your project.
Gene, 76 Eleganza North County San Diego
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I plan for it to reach from the kitchen to above the front step too. But mine would take up ALL of the aisle when folded out to a bed. And, like the back, the person closest to the wall/window will have to crawl over someone to get out of bed.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #190571 is a reply to message #190569] |
Sat, 17 November 2012 14:21 |
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I think that was just relisted on ebay and the previous auction did have some bids in the $6-7k range. If so, I'm guessing he reset the opening bid closer to his reserve.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
76 Eleganza
Elizabeth City, NC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #190865 is a reply to message #190813] |
Tue, 20 November 2012 12:08 |
A Hamilto
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If I had a 26' GMC I would like to have something like that. A 23' doesn't have a place to put a dinette behind the shotgun position.
The difference between what I call a Davo and a Jackknife is the Davo becomes a bunkbed and the Jackknife becomes a double bed.
Nobody in GMC land that has, or had, a jackknife sofa has offered to sell me one, so I am guessing that means those that have them are happy with them. Either that or the sofas don't make a bed any bigger than what I already have. I am afraid of the top bunk on a Davo because I am fairly certain the "boy" in the top bunk would weigh enough (tossing and turning) to pull the supports out of the roof, or at least bend the roof. As I said before, the supports are not that far from the roof AC and nobody is likely to convince me that a 200 - 250 lb person in that top bunk, added to the weight of the roof AC, is not going to cause damage and potential injury.
I found this, and the owner says it makes a bed 75" X 54", so I plan to buy it. I can use the mechanism to build one that makes a bigger bed if I am not happy with the current size.
http://images.craigslist.org/3n73K33Lf5Lc5P45J1cbda8324eefcc351a1b.jpg
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #190868 is a reply to message #190865] |
Tue, 20 November 2012 12:33 |
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mike miller
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| ahamilto wrote on Tue, 20 November 2012 10:08 |
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Nobody in GMC land that has, or had, a jackknife sofa has offered to sell me one, so I am guessing that means those that have them are happy with them. ...
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None of the GM upfitted coaches (and none of the transmodes that I know of) came with jackknife sofa's. So the lack of anyone wanting to sell you one from a GMC motorhome is not surprising.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
http://m000035.blogspot.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #190872 is a reply to message #190870] |
Tue, 20 November 2012 13:41 |
Ray Erspamer
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When we renovated our front interior I installed this jack knife sofa, it is
absolutely awesome. We wanted a sofa that folded down into a big bed so we
could take adult friends with us, so far everyone who has slept on this bed
absolutely loves it.
Bed size is 76" x 54".
There were several big challenges to installing it was this:
1. The water heater was too high, so I removed the water heater from under the
sofa and installed a tankless water heater behind the refrigerator.
2. The original Suburban Furnace was too high, so I removed that and replaced it
with a Suburban low profile unit.
3. I wanted to keep the sofa as tight to the exterior wall as possible when it
was in the sofa position, but when you fold it down into a bed it has to move
away from the wall first. So I designed and built a slide system, mounted a
wood frame on that and attached the sofa to it. Then I attached 2 linear
actuators to the wood frame. To fold the sofa down to a bed I flip the switch
and the actuators move the entire sofa away from the wall far enough to allow it
to fold down. After we fold it back up to the sofa position, I hit the switch
and the actuators move the entire sofa back tight against the wall. There are a
few photo's of my installation here.
http://tinyurl.com/c2926lp
This has to be one of the best upgrades we've made to our coach !
Ray
Ray & Lisa
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: A. <markbb1@netzero.com>
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Sent: Tue, November 20, 2012 1:11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want
Mike Miller wrote on Tue, 20 November 2012 12:33
> None of the GM upfitted coaches (and none of the transmodes that I know of)
>came with jackknife sofa's. So the lack of anyone wanting to sell you one from
>a GMC motorhome is not surprising.
I can live with any type of sofa the right length that converts to a bed the
right dimensions. It doesn't have to be a jack knife.
I don't know all the furniture options that were available, so don't know if
there was a sofa in a GMC that made a double bed, or just a "GMC double" bed
(about 10" too narrow to be a real double bed).
At any rate, something that converts from a sofa about 74" or 75" to a bed about
74" or 75" X 60" (64" would be even better) would scratch my itch.
I haven't found one, so might just settle for 75" X 54" for the time being.
--
'73 23' Sequoia
UA (Upper Alabama)
"Sometimes 'free' is too expensive."
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #190876 is a reply to message #190872] |
Tue, 20 November 2012 14:49 |
A Hamilto
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| Ray Erspamer wrote on Tue, 20 November 2012 13:41 |
When we renovated our front interior I installed this jack knife sofa, it is absolutely awesome. We wanted a sofa that folded down into a big bed so we could take adult friends with us, so far everyone who has slept on this bed absolutely loves it.
Bed size is 76" x 54".
There were several big challenges to installing it was this:
1. The water heater was too high, so I removed the water heater from under the sofa and installed a tankless water heater behind the refrigerator.
2. The original Suburban Furnace was too high, so I removed that and replaced it with a Suburban low profile unit.
3. I wanted to keep the sofa as tight to the exterior wall as possible when it was in the sofa position, but when you fold it down into a bed it has to move away from the wall first. So I designed and built a slide system, mounted a wood frame on that and attached the sofa to it. Then I attached 2 linear actuators to the wood frame. To fold the sofa down to a bed I flip the switch and the actuators move the entire sofa away from the wall far enough to allow it to fold down. After we fold it back up to the sofa position, I hit the switch and the actuators move the entire sofa back tight against the wall. There are a
few photo's of my installation here.
http://tinyurl.com/c2926lp
This has to be one of the best upgrades we've made to our coach !
Ray
Ray & Lisa
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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I wouldn't demand the automation, but yeah, that is the idea for behind the drivers's seat. It will need to slide, just not by electricity. I don't need to mess with the water heater or furnace, just need to remove the cheesy dinette.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #190878 is a reply to message #190876] |
Tue, 20 November 2012 15:04 |
Ray Erspamer
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Automation was actually the easy part, 2 cheap 12vdc 12" linear actuators off of
Ebay and a little wiring.
Ray
Ray & Lisa
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: A. <markbb1@netzero.com>
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Sent: Tue, November 20, 2012 2:49:27 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want
Ray Erspamer wrote on Tue, 20 November 2012 13:41
> When we renovated our front interior I installed this jack knife sofa, it is
>absolutely awesome. We wanted a sofa that folded down into a big bed so we
>could take adult friends with us, so far everyone who has slept on this bed
>absolutely loves it.
>
> Bed size is 76" x 54".
>
> There were several big challenges to installing it was this:
>
> 1. The water heater was too high, so I removed the water heater from under the
>sofa and installed a tankless water heater behind the refrigerator.
>
> 2. The original Suburban Furnace was too high, so I removed that and replaced
>it with a Suburban low profile unit.
>
> 3. I wanted to keep the sofa as tight to the exterior wall as possible when
>it was in the sofa position, but when you fold it down into a bed it has to
>move away from the wall first. So I designed and built a slide system, mounted
>a wood frame on that and attached the sofa to it. Then I attached 2 linear
>actuators to the wood frame. To fold the sofa down to a bed I flip the switch
>and the actuators move the entire sofa away from the wall far enough to allow it
>to fold down. After we fold it back up to the sofa position, I hit the switch
>and the actuators move the entire sofa back tight against the wall. There are a
>
> few photo's of my installation here.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/c2926lp
>
> This has to be one of the best upgrades we've made to our coach !
>
> Ray
>
> Ray & Lisa
> 78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
> Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
I wouldn't demand the automation, but yeah, that is the idea for behind the
drivers's seat. It will need to slide, just not by electricity. I don't need
to mess with the water heater or furnace, just need to remove the cheesy
dinette.
--
'73 23' Sequoia
UA (Upper Alabama)
"Sometimes 'free' is too expensive."
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #190881 is a reply to message #190876] |
Tue, 20 November 2012 15:10 |
Ray Erspamer
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Right now Walmart has that exact sofa I used on sale for $299 each, I just
purchased 2 of them for the basement rec room.
Here is a link to them...
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Baja-Convert-a-Couch-and-Sofa-Bed-Multiple-Colors/15988224
Ray
Ray & Lisa
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: A. <markbb1@netzero.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tue, November 20, 2012 2:49:27 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want
Ray Erspamer wrote on Tue, 20 November 2012 13:41
> When we renovated our front interior I installed this jack knife sofa, it is
>absolutely awesome. We wanted a sofa that folded down into a big bed so we
>could take adult friends with us, so far everyone who has slept on this bed
>absolutely loves it.
>
> Bed size is 76" x 54".
>
> There were several big challenges to installing it was this:
>
> 1. The water heater was too high, so I removed the water heater from under the
>sofa and installed a tankless water heater behind the refrigerator.
>
> 2. The original Suburban Furnace was too high, so I removed that and replaced
>it with a Suburban low profile unit.
>
> 3. I wanted to keep the sofa as tight to the exterior wall as possible when
>it was in the sofa position, but when you fold it down into a bed it has to
>move away from the wall first. So I designed and built a slide system, mounted
>a wood frame on that and attached the sofa to it. Then I attached 2 linear
>actuators to the wood frame. To fold the sofa down to a bed I flip the switch
>and the actuators move the entire sofa away from the wall far enough to allow it
>to fold down. After we fold it back up to the sofa position, I hit the switch
>and the actuators move the entire sofa back tight against the wall. There are a
>
> few photo's of my installation here.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/c2926lp
>
> This has to be one of the best upgrades we've made to our coach !
>
> Ray
>
> Ray & Lisa
> 78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
> Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
I wouldn't demand the automation, but yeah, that is the idea for behind the
drivers's seat. It will need to slide, just not by electricity. I don't need
to mess with the water heater or furnace, just need to remove the cheesy
dinette.
--
'73 23' Sequoia
UA (Upper Alabama)
"Sometimes 'free' is too expensive."
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403, 3.70 Final Drive
Holley Sniper Quadrajet EFI System,
Holley Hyperspark Ignition System
414-484-9431
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #191028 is a reply to message #191024] |
Wed, 21 November 2012 19:33 |
A Hamilto
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Home made is plan B. If it is 75" from head to toe, and 60" wide, it would correspond to what is called "RV queen" or "short queen". I can go up to 64" wide before it hits the sink cabinet. If I go home made, I will make it fold out to a bed 75" X 64".
For now, the plan is to buy a second hand RV jack knife sofa that folds out to a full bed (75" X 54") to get on the road in the Spring. Since it looks like I am going to have to do some serious cabinet work to get the oversized fridge in, and reconfigure the rear for a dinette that converts to what is called a full XL size bed, that will be enough interior work for the coming year.
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