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Mon, 29 October 2012 13:42 |
jhbridges
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I have acquired a Progressive Dynamics PD9160A, also known as an IntelliPower 9100, 60Amp version. I have no information on it, does anyone have a book they could scan, or lend me long enough to scan? Particularly, it has connection blocks for the main output. It also has the place for a plug which looks as if it were a giant type B USB connector. I surmise this second plug space is for the battery charger/minder. My original simply connects the battery to the charge line and leaves it there. They claim it to be the Total Charge Management System. I'm intrigued but lost. As far as powering the coach, no problem.
Only four rivets to drill out to open it if no one has the info.
--johnny
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Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter [message #188645 is a reply to message #188643] |
Mon, 29 October 2012 13:57 |
Carl S.
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Johnny Bridges wrote on Mon, 29 October 2012 11:42 | I have acquired a Progressive Dynamics PD9160A, also known as an IntelliPower 9100, 60Amp version. I have no information on it, does anyone have a book they could scan, or lend me long enough to scan? Particularly, it has connection blocks for the main output. It also has the place for a plug which looks as if it were a giant type B USB connector. I surmise this second plug space is for the battery charger/minder. My original simply connects the battery to the charge line and leaves it there. They claim it to be the Total Charge Management System. I'm intrigued but lost. As far as powering the coach, no problem.
Only four rivets to drill out to open it if no one has the info.
--johnny
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Johnny,
Look at their website: http://progressivedyn.com/ It should have the info you are looking for. I have a 45 amp version and it truly is a "plug and play" item. I have the coach plugged in all the time and the PD unit keeps my batteries charged and never overcharges them.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter [message #188646 is a reply to message #188645] |
Mon, 29 October 2012 14:06 |
Carl S.
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Carl S. wrote on Mon, 29 October 2012 11:57 |
Johnny Bridges wrote on Mon, 29 October 2012 11:42 | I have acquired a Progressive Dynamics PD9160A, also known as an IntelliPower 9100, 60Amp version. I have no information on it, does anyone have a book they could scan, or lend me long enough to scan? Particularly, it has connection blocks for the main output. It also has the place for a plug which looks as if it were a giant type B USB connector. I surmise this second plug space is for the battery charger/minder. My original simply connects the battery to the charge line and leaves it there. They claim it to be the Total Charge Management System. I'm intrigued but lost. As far as powering the coach, no problem.
Only four rivets to drill out to open it if no one has the info.
--johnny
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Johnny,
Look at their website: http://progressivedyn.com/ It should have the info you are looking for. I have a 45 amp version and it truly is a "plug and play" item. I have the coach plugged in all the time and the PD unit keeps my batteries charged and never overcharges them.
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PS - The small port you see in the charger, that looks like a telephone jack, is for the "Charge Wizard". I'm sure you can buy one separately.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter [message #188647 is a reply to message #188646] |
Mon, 29 October 2012 14:51 |
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I see several auctions on eBay for the "Charge Wizard" but
I'm a bit confused. Some have BOOST over the button(?) on
the lower right of the unit and others have "MODE" printed
there.
Can anyone advise which is the correct (or preferred) unit?
I didn't get the wizard when I purchased my 9160.
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> Carl S. wrote on Mon, 29 October 2012 11:57
> > Johnny Bridges wrote on Mon, 29 October 2012 11:42
> > > I have acquired a Progressive Dynamics PD9160A, also known as an IntelliPower 9100, 60Amp version. I have no information on it, does anyone have a book they could scan, or lend me long enough to scan? Particularly, it has connection blocks for the main output. It also has the place for a plug which looks as if it were a giant type B USB connector. I surmise this second plug space is for the battery charger/minder. My original simply connects the battery to the charge line and leaves it there. They claim it to be the Total Charge Management System. I'm intrigued but lost. As far as powering the coach, no problem.
> > > Only four rivets to drill out to open it if no one has the info.
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> > > --johnny
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> > Look at their website: http://progressivedyn.com/ It should have the info you are looking for. I have a 45 amp version and it truly is a "plug and play" item. I have the coach plugged in all the time and the PD unit keeps my batteries charged and never overcharges them.
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> PS - The small port you see in the charger, that looks like a telephone jack, is for the "Charge Wizard". I'm sure you can buy one separately.
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Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter [message #188655 is a reply to message #188643] |
Mon, 29 October 2012 16:09 |
Craig Lechowicz
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Mac,
I believe if you got a PD 9160 without the built-in Charge Wizard you want the one with the boost button.
<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002OR41UM/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00>
I ordered this one and used it with a PD 9160 over the summer until I got my ProSine Inverter/Charger fixed. It mostly worked great, although as Rob Mueller said in one of his posts, I could never quite figure out the blinking light on it. (it blinks at different speeds or stays constant to indicate different operating modes. If you don't have the instruction page in front of you, you won't remember them if you are like me . . .). Not sure if it was the Charge Wizard, or the load sensitive speed control on my Yamaha suitcase generator, but they didn't always get along. Temporarily running the generator at full speed would get things back in sync, though.
I think the other version is for a unit that already has a built-in charge wizard, and serves as a remote control to manually put it in it's different modes (bulk, absorption and float or converter mode) and provide that informative blinking light. But, I don't think it actually has the "smarts" part of the Charge Wizard in it.
And for Johnny, the "Charge Wizard" changes the PD converter from a fixed voltage converter (maybe around 13.5 volts or so, not enough to boil it, but not enough to charge very fast either) to a full 3 stage automatic charging capability, which is worth having if you plan on charging the batteries off a generator. As others have noted the Progressive Dynamics website does a pretty good job of explaining stuff.
Craig Lechowicz
'77 Kingsley, Waterford, MI
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Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter [message #188661 is a reply to message #188643] |
Mon, 29 October 2012 16:25 |
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Johnny,
That is the same unit I installed in Double Trouble and it works great, HOWEVER, in the Avion it connects to the battery through a
45 amp fuse and I noticed it kept blowing. Being electrically challenged it NEVER dawned on me that if you try to stuff 60 amps
through a 45 amp fuse it's going to cause problems! I found a 60 amp circuit breaker and installed it any everything is working well
now.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Bridges
I have acquired a Progressive Dynamics PD9160A, also known as an IntelliPower 9100, 60Amp version. I have no information on it,
does anyone have a book they could scan, or lend me long enough to scan? Particularly, it has connection blocks for the main
output. It also has the place for a plug which looks as if it were a giant type B USB connector. I surmise this second plug space
is for the battery charger/minder. My original simply connects the battery to the charge line and leaves it there. They claim it
to be the Total Charge Management System. I'm intrigued but lost. As far as powering the coach, no problem.
Only four rivets to drill out to open it if no one has the info.
--johnny
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Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter [message #188670 is a reply to message #188668] |
Mon, 29 October 2012 18:18 |
Ken Henderson
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Me too, Dan. I put the Charge Wizard inside a cabinet so the light
wouldn't bother us. I've never worried about it during the 5+ years it's
been keeping the batteries in good shape without me harassing it.
Ken H.
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Dan Gregg wrote:
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> My charge wizzard says on it what the blinking/solid light means. Does me
> no good because i never have my glasses on.
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Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter [message #188672 is a reply to message #188646] |
Mon, 29 October 2012 18:50 |
jhbridges
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Yeah they list the 'charge wizard' seperately. I've not had battery problems in the two years I've owned the coach - much to my surprise because it has the batteries which came from the PO in it and I didn't think they'd last.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter
Carl S. wrote on Mon, 29 October 2012 11:57
> Johnny Bridges wrote on Mon, 29 October 2012 11:42
> > I have acquired a Progressive Dynamics PD9160A, also known as an IntelliPower 9100, 60Amp version. I have no information on it, does anyone have a book they could scan, or lend me long enough to scan? Particularly, it has connection blocks for the main output. It also has the place for a plug which looks as if it were a giant type B USB connector. I surmise this second plug space is for the battery charger/minder. My original simply connects the battery to the charge line and leaves it there. They claim it to be the Total Charge Management System. I'm intrigued but lost. As far as powering the coach, no problem.
> > Only four rivets to drill out to open it if no one has the info.
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> > --johnny
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> Johnny,
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> Look at their website: http://progressivedyn.com/ It should have the info you are looking for. I have a 45 amp version and it truly is a "plug and play" item. I have the coach plugged in all the time and the PD unit keeps my batteries charged and never overcharges them.
PS - The small port you see in the charger, that looks like a telephone jack, is for the "Charge Wizard". I'm sure you can buy one separately.
--
Carl S.
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter [message #188673 is a reply to message #188655] |
Mon, 29 October 2012 18:56 |
jhbridges
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Yeah, I bagged and printed the manual. Which notes that the box may not play well with a small generator. I don't find this surprising. It looks to be a switching supply, and they can be cantankerous when fed varying voltages and/or scurvy waveforms. I'm fully prepared for this one to not like the Junkerac output at all.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter
Mac,
I believe if you got a PD 9160 without the built-in Charge Wizard you want the one with the boost button.
<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002OR41UM/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00>
I ordered this one and used it with a PD 9160 over the summer until I got my ProSine Inverter/Charger fixed. It mostly worked great, although as Rob Mueller said in one of his posts, I could never quite figure out the blinking light on it. (it blinks at different speeds or stays constant to indicate different operating modes. If you don't have the instruction page in front of you, you won't remember them if you are like me . . .). Not sure if it was the Charge Wizard, or the load sensitive speed control on my Yamaha suitcase generator, but they didn't always get along. Temporarily running the generator at full speed would get things back in sync, though.
I think the other version is for a unit that already has a built-in charge wizard, and serves as a remote control to manually put it in it's different modes (bulk, absorption and float or converter mode) and provide that informative blinking light. But, I don't think it actually has the "smarts" part of the Charge Wizard in it.
And for Johnny, the "Charge Wizard" changes the PD converter from a fixed voltage converter (maybe around 13.5 volts or so, not enough to boil it, but not enough to charge very fast either) to a full 3 stage automatic charging capability, which is worth having if you plan on charging the batteries off a generator. As others have noted the Progressive Dynamics website does a pretty good job of explaining stuff.
--
Craig Lechowicz
'77 Kingsley, Waterford, MI
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Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter [message #188676 is a reply to message #188673] |
Mon, 29 October 2012 19:24 |
Ken Henderson
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Johnny,
I never had trouble with my 9145 when using the Generac.
Without the Charge Wizard, 9100 series PD's don't get the 3-stage benefits,
so I encourage you to spend the $25 or so to add that device. 9200 series
have the Charge Wizard functionality built in.
Ken H.
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Johnny Bridges wrote:
> Yeah, I bagged and printed the manual. Which notes that the box may not
> play well with a small generator. I don't find this surprising. It looks
> to be a switching supply, and they can be cantankerous when fed varying
> voltages and/or scurvy waveforms. I'm fully prepared for this one to not
> like the Junkerac output at all.
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Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter [message #188681 is a reply to message #188647] |
Mon, 29 October 2012 19:58 |
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k2gkk wrote on Mon, 29 October 2012 12:51 |
I see several auctions on eBay for the "Charge Wizard" but
I'm a bit confused. Some have BOOST over the button(?) on
the lower right of the unit and others have "MODE" printed
there.
Can anyone advise which is the correct (or preferred) unit?
I didn't get the wizard when I purchased my 9160.
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The 9200 series had the charge wizard built in, your 9100 series did not. The plug in part is for the 9200 is just a remote button labeled "mode." Your 9100 needs an actual charge wizard with a "boost" button. If you follow the links from this one that KenB posted you can confirm this.
<http://progressivedyn.com/troubleshooting_pwr_con.html>
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Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter [message #188688 is a reply to message #188683] |
Mon, 29 October 2012 21:47 |
Carl S.
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I have run my coach, at least the charger (a PD 9245), on my little 2K Honeywell inverter generator, with no problem that I was aware of.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter [message #188694 is a reply to message #188670] |
Mon, 29 October 2012 23:41 |
Ken Burton
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Ken Henderson wrote on Mon, 29 October 2012 18:18 | Me too, Dan. I put the Charge Wizard inside a cabinet so the light
wouldn't bother us. I've never worried about it during the 5+ years it's
been keeping the batteries in good shape without me harassing it.
Ken H.
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Dan Gregg wrote:
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> My charge wizzard says on it what the blinking/solid light means. Does me
> no good because i never have my glasses on.
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The longer the light is on the higher the voltage is.
I also leave mine on automatic and do not worry about it for months on end. If I have just plugged in the coach and I plan on leaving it for a few weeks or more, then I manually set mine to maintenance mode (slow flashing).
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter [message #188716 is a reply to message #188645] |
Tue, 30 October 2012 07:23 |
jhbridges
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Thanks, I found the owner's manual there. The problem with my (original) converter is, the riveted connections to the distributiohn block are loosening, making for flickering lights and hot spots in the supply. It will be used at work for a good 12 volt supply with connections hard soldered to its output buss. The new one will feed a nice sistribution block another GMCer was kind enough to give me when he swapped supplies. It's a 7 position, so I can still hook each line where it has its on feed.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter
Johnny Bridges wrote on Mon, 29 October 2012 11:42
> I have acquired a Progressive Dynamics PD9160A, also known as an IntelliPower 9100, 60Amp version. I have no information on it, does anyone have a book they could scan, or lend me long enough to scan? Particularly, it has connection blocks for the main output. It also has the place for a plug which looks as if it were a giant type B USB connector. I surmise this second plug space is for the battery charger/minder. My original simply connects the battery to the charge line and leaves it there. They claim it to be the Total Charge Management System. I'm intrigued but lost. As far as powering the coach, no problem.
> Only four rivets to drill out to open it if no one has the info.
>
> --johnny
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Johnny,
Look at their website: http://progressivedyn.com/ It should have the info you are looking for. I have a 45 amp version and it truly is a "plug and play" item. I have the coach plugged in all the time and the PD unit keeps my batteries charged and never overcharges them.
--
Carl S.
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter [message #188717 is a reply to message #188676] |
Tue, 30 October 2012 08:39 |
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Ken Henderson wrote on Mon, 29 October 2012 20:24 | Johnny,
I never had trouble with my 9145 when using the Generac.
Without the Charge Wizard, 9100 series PD's don't get the 3-stage benefits, so I encourage you to spend the $25 or so to add that device. 9200 series have the Charge Wizard functionality built in.
Ken H.
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Ken,
I believe that this one (1) time you might be slightly mistaken. I have had a 9145 since my original buzzbox actually died. (If it had died sooner, it might have saved me the cost of a house bank.) I always monitor the house bank carefully, and I saw no change in the converter operation after I plugged in the Charge Wizard. The real difference is that now I can command an Equalization charge and (if I can remember what the flash rates mean) I can tell what the converter thinks it is doing. But that is not meant to discount the value of the added pendent.
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Re: [GMCnet] New used power converter [message #188721 is a reply to message #188717] |
Tue, 30 October 2012 09:03 |
Ken Henderson
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Matt,
I think you just didn't "catch it in the act". From
http://progressivedyn.com/power_converters_9100.html :
"The built in Total Charge Management System (TCMS) connector allows the RV
manufacturer, dealer, or customer to easily add the optional Charge Wizard.
The Charge Wizard is a microprocessor-controller that constantly monitors
the RV battery voltage to determine if the battery requires a quick
recharge, is fully charged and being used, or is fully charged and is in
storage. The Charge Wizard then selects one of three charging voltages:
14.4, 13.6, or 13.2; and one of four operating modes (Boost, Normal,
Storage or Desulfation) to properly re-charge or maintain the battery. "
This shows just how you'd have to monitor to catch it the act:
http://progressivedyn.com/charge_wizard.html
This tells, a little more clearly, how to operate it:
http://progressivedyn.com/charge_wizard_9105.html
From those descriptions of light operation, maybe I FINALLY can remember
sort of what it means: The higher percentage of time it's on, the harder
it's working the converter. Close 'nuff for me.
Ken H.
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Ken Henderson wrote on Mon, 29 October 2012 20:24
> > Johnny,
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> > I never had trouble with my 9145 when using the Generac.
> >
> > Without the Charge Wizard, 9100 series PD's don't get the 3-stage
> benefits, so I encourage you to spend the $25 or so to add that device.
> 9200 series have the Charge Wizard functionality built in.
> >
> > Ken H.
>
> Ken,
>
> I believe that this one (1) time you might be slightly mistaken. I have
> had a 9145 since my original buzzbox actually died. (If it had died
> sooner, it might have saved me the cost of a house bank.) I always monitor
> the house bank carefully, and I saw no change in the converter operation
> after I plugged in the Charge Wizard. The real difference is that now I
> can command an Equalization charge and (if I can remember what the flash
> rates mean) I can tell what the converter thinks it is doing. But that is
> not meant to discount the value of the added pendent.
>
> Matt
> --
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> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you will
> find
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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