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| Irony...or how to curse yourself [message #187110] |
Sat, 13 October 2012 09:40  |
Galen
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Location: New Virginia, IA
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So a couple days back, I was asking about decal/striping options for my 78 palm beach. I received, as always, a lot of great information, and thanks again for that. I ended that discussion with a comment about how blessed I was that my coach had been running great and that the stripe was even a concern....
Enter yesterday morning. I had a meeting at work in the morning, and was going to head out to a music festival for the weekend right after, so I thought I just take the GMC to work and leave directly. Just a mile before I got to work, (you can see where this is going) I heard what I guess was piston slapping, a loud pop, and all stop! Blown engin - exact diagnosis unknown at this point.
On the birght side, I was on a side street, that had plenty of room to coast out of the way safely. I had the Meuller (don't leave home without it!) towing guide, and after some light wrangling with AAA and a few tow companies, I was able to get it towed back home, get the minivan, and still make my 9:00pm show time. I missed my staff meeting, but let's just say that is in the plus column!
My wife said "Wow, you're really taking this well." I can't imagine better circumstances to have a major failure than my situation (no wife, kids, dog, 100 degree day, or major freeway, close to home, etc...). This was to be my last outing of the year.
Face it, it can happen. I've had it happen in brand new vehicles. I had already gone through the scenarios of how I would deal with it, and began reading on here about engine replacement options before I even bought a coach.
So again, thanks for this net, and all the tech info posted. Don't forget your towing guide. Ever.
Still smiling,
Galen
P.S. Stripes are on the back burner for awhile, 
Galen Briggs
New Virginia, Iowa
1978 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Irony...or how to curse yourself [message #187123 is a reply to message #187110] |
Sat, 13 October 2012 12:00  |
Kingsley Coach
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Ouch !
Mike in NS
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Galen Briggs <gpbriggs@iowatelecom.net>wrote:
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> So a couple days back, I was asking about decal/striping options for my 78
> palm beach. I received, as always, a lot of great information, and thanks
> again for that. I ended that discussion with a comment about how blessed I
> was that my coach had been running great and that the stripe was even a
> concern....
>
> Enter yesterday morning. I had a meeting at work in the morning, and was
> going to head out to a music festival for the weekend right after, so I
> thought I just take the GMC to work and leave directly. Just a mile before
> I got to work, (you can see where this is going) I heard what I guess was
> piston slapping, a loud pop, and all stop! Blown engin - exact diagnosis
> unknown at this point.
>
> On the birght side, I was on a side street, that had plenty of room to
> coast out of the way safely. I had the Meuller (don't leave home without
> it!) towing guide, and after some light wrangling with AAA and a few tow
> companies, I was able to get it towed back home, get the minivan, and still
> make my 9:00pm show time. I missed my staff meeting, but let's just say
> that is in the plus column!
>
> My wife said "Wow, you're really taking this well." I can't imagine better
> circumstances to have a major failure than my situation (no wife, kids,
> dog, 100 degree day, or major freeway, close to home, etc...). This was to
> be my last outing of the year.
>
> Face it, it can happen. I've had it happen in brand new vehicles. I had
> already gone through the scenarios of how I would deal with it, and began
> reading on here about engine replacement options before I even bought a
> coach.
>
> So again, thanks for this net, and all the tech info posted. Don't forget
> your towing guide. Ever.
>
> Still smiling,
> Galen
>
> P.S. Stripes are on the back burner for awhile, :d
> --
> Galen Briggs
> New Virginia, Iowa
> 1978 Palm Beach
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| Re: Irony...or how to curse yourself [message #187128 is a reply to message #187110] |
Sat, 13 October 2012 12:57 |
PettyVTX
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I feel your pain. I had just finished telling my wife the morning mine blew (after messing with the air bags at the campground) how good the mechanics were. Then Blam on the side of the road getting evil looks.
Ex Avion now looking for a 23'
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| Re: Irony...or how to curse yourself [message #187174 is a reply to message #187110] |
Sat, 13 October 2012 22:25 |
kerry pinkerton
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Meuller (don't leave home without it!) towing guide
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What is this? Different from the Black List I'm assuming?
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Irony...or how to curse yourself [message #187183 is a reply to message #187178] |
Sun, 14 October 2012 08:23 |
Ken Henderson
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Location: Americus, GA
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Perhaps this is a good thread in which to recite the experience of one of
our Dixielanders last week:
On Thursday, as rally attendees were gathering in Colquitt, GA for the
"Swamp Gravy" weekend, I got a call from an 82 yo member: "I'm beside the
road 10 miles north of Colquitt with a blown engine." Ooops! "Are you
well off the pavement and safe?" "Yes -- off the pavement at a little-used
turn-off lane?" "I'll be there shortly."
When I arrived a few minutes later, it was obvious that something bad had
happened: there was a wide trail of oil on the pavement extending to the
top of the previous hill. "I haven't even opened the engine hatch -- I
KNOW it's bad." he said. "Hope it's through the block rather than the pan
-- they're easier to find." I replied. "Nope, I don't have a tow service."
he answered when I asked if he'd called them.
Contacting friends and family in town, I finally reached the only tow truck
owner in town with a
truck large enough for the GMC. He absolutely refused to touch a motorhome
-- too many past problems. He wouldn't even tow it the 5 miles to town, on
a smooth, level road so we could at least get them into the campground and
off the road while arranging the next step. Unusually uncooperative for
that small town -- must have had some REALLY bad experiences.
Further searching located another operator 20 miles away. He was
completely committed with uninterruptable work that day but could handle it
the next day. When I asked his rate, it was $10 per mile. Asked about
towing 100 miles to their home, "That would be more like $1500." Veto.
Due to his age and health, the owner, highly mechanically experienced and
qualified, only wanted the coach towed either to his home or to a known
repair facility -- preferably Sirum's in Okeechobee, FL, 414 miles (Google
Maps can't even calculate that route!).
With other options exhausted, I called Albany, GA, 52 miles away. A
service there moved a 40' Sea-Land container for me from Colquitt to
Americus a few years ago on a Landoll trailer. "Yep, we can be there in
1:15; it will be $865 to take them 120 miles home".
The owner decided to accept that option, giving him time to calmly make a
long-term decision as to whether and how to proceed. The truck/trailer
arrived as promised, loaded the coach without incident and got them home
before dark. The ending was not as satisfactory: Their mail box was
knocked down, a water pipe broken, and the driveway damaged without ever
getting the coach into the RV shelter. Must not have been the same driver
who did this:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/preparing-a-home-for-the-gmc/p7668.html
or
http://goo.gl/PlPNu
The next day, after the couple consulted (and she turned on the tears), he
got someone else to truck the coach to Okeechobee, where it's receiving a
new engine. Another $2000 ride.
Several of us had already decided that we were going to install a new
engine at his home when we learned of his action. Among us we had all the
necessary tools -- and even engines. He said he just didn't want to impose
on his friends.
Perhaps I should add: The couple last year completely refurbished a coach,
replacing an SOB they'd had for a couple of years (post-GMC). It was a
BEAUTIFUL coach, with all new interior and a new paint job (now belongs to
another Dixielander). The coach in question came from a long-time
Dixielander who died last week. It also has an almost-completed new
interior and a new paint job. Her preference for the current floor plan
was the reason for selling the last-year restoration. Loves her coach (and
her GMC friends), she does.
The moral of the story, if there is one: "GET ROAD SERVICE!!!" He could
have had RVRoadhelp for 30 years for the cost of that one incident. Their
published policy is "whatever you're driving, to the nearest capable repair
facility". That probably would not have gotten him a free ride to
Okeechobee, but it would have surely helped. I've used it several times,
but never for a long tow.
Ken H.
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Galen Briggs wrote:
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> Here's a link to the Towing Guide....it's a good read. Step one is
> invaluable.
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> http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Mueller_GMC-Towing-Guide.pdf
> --
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| Re: [GMCnet] Irony...or how to curse yourself [message #187193 is a reply to message #187182] |
Sun, 14 October 2012 09:07 |
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Matt Colie
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Sun, 14 October 2012 09:09 |
G'day,
Nah, that's me. The "u" and "e" get reversed constantly. Actually the REAL family name is Muller with an umlaut (two dots) above the
"u".
The story goes that when my Grandfather Francis Muller stood in front of the Immigration Officer on Ellis Island he was told; "we
don't have the umlaut in English so I'm going to put an "e" after the "u". Since Germans always follow orders from authority figures he didn't say a thing! I kinda wish he would have told them not to do that as the spelling gets messed up a lot AND it totally screws up the pronunciation!
On a final note you can call me anything you like except late to dinner! 
Regards,
Rob Müller
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Rob,
An Umlaut U is available if you want it. Alt - 129
We have used Alt 138 (è) for years now. Since my family name was French once, (It was longer then and no English speakers ever got it right) there had been a sort of a tradition of naming the family boats with French names. The ketch was "Que Vive", the little black sloop was supposed to be Sambaux (sort of from the Kipling) but it was so often read as Sambox that dad gave up, our sloop was "Bonne Ideè" (say Bonnie Day) and the coach is Chaumière (say Show Me Air). My wife has a thing for bi-lingual puns - can you tell?
Having (like you) lived some time sort of close to Ellis Island have heard so many stories of foreign names being damaged and destroyed.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Irony...or how to curse yourself [message #187215 is a reply to message #187193] |
Sun, 14 October 2012 11:17 |
k2gkk
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I suspect many German immigrants named Mueller couldn't
read/write in any language. The officials wrote down
"Miller" 'cause that's sorta the way it sounded. It
means the same, anyway!
Judy and I learned rudimentary Deutsch during 4 years
of living there, courtesy of uncle sam's flying club
and do our best to always pronounce words as they would
be by the natives of those countries. She was REALLY
good with the pronunciations of French and I butcher
them totally 'cause I really don't shiv a git!
Putting the "e" ahead of the "u" will really screw up
the pronunciation as that is basically the sound of
"oy" such as in Olive Oyl! I.E., Deutsch is pronounced
as a combination of doytsh and doytch. However you
pronounce it, a German will certainly know what you mean!
And I have never figured out how to make all those
extra characters such as ALT 129. Nothing shows up
here when I type that 1 2 9 with ALT held down. I'm
either doing something wrong, or my computers don't
speak that "language."
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: matt7323tze@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 09:07:03 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Irony...or how to curse yourself
>
>
>
> Robert Mueller wrote on Sun, 14 October 2012 09:09
> > G'day,
> >
> > Nah, that's me. The "u" and "e" get reversed constantly. Actually the REAL family name is Muller with an umlaut (two dots) above the
> > "u".
> >
> > The story goes that when my Grandfather Francis Muller stood in front of the Immigration Officer on Ellis Island he was told; "we
> > don't have the umlaut in English so I'm going to put an "e" after the "u". Since Germans always follow orders from authority figures he didn't say a thing! I kinda wish he would have told them not to do that as the spelling gets messed up a lot AND it totally screws up the pronunciation!
> >
> > On a final note you can call me anything you like except late to dinner! ;)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob Müller
>
> Rob,
>
> An Umlaut U is available if you want it. Alt - 129
>
> We have used Alt 138 (è) for years now. Since my family name was French once, (It was longer then and no English speakers ever got it right) there had been a sort of a tradition of naming the family boats with French names. The ketch was "Que Vive", the little black sloop was supposed to be Sambaux (sort of from the Kipling) but it was so often read as Sambox that dad gave up, our sloop was "Bonne Ideè" (say Bonnie Day) and the coach is Chaumière (say Show Me Air). My wife has a thing for bi-lingual puns - can you tell?
>
> Having (like you) lived some time sort of close to Ellis Island have heard so many stories of foreign names being damaged and destroyed.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie
> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you will find
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Irony...or how to curse yourself [message #187216 is a reply to message #187215] |
Sun, 14 October 2012 11:58 |
werewilfs
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The ü should show up after you let go of the alt key.
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From: D C _Mac_ Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Irony...or how to curse yourself
I suspect many German immigrants named Mueller couldn't
read/write in any language. The officials wrote down
"Miller" 'cause that's sorta the way it sounded. It
means the same, anyway!
Judy and I learned rudimentary Deutsch during 4 years
of living there, courtesy of uncle sam's flying club
and do our best to always pronounce words as they would
be by the natives of those countries. She was REALLY
good with the pronunciations of French and I butcher
them totally 'cause I really don't shiv a git!
Putting the "e" ahead of the "u" will really screw up
the pronunciation as that is basically the sound of
"oy" such as in Olive Oyl! I.E., Deutsch is pronounced
as a combination of doytsh and doytch. However you
pronounce it, a German will certainly know what you mean!
And I have never figured out how to make all those
extra characters such as ALT 129. Nothing shows up
here when I type that 1 2 9 with ALT held down. I'm
either doing something wrong, or my computers don't
speak that "language."
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~ ~ ~ ~ TZE166V101966 ~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ '76 ex-Palm Beach ~ ~ ~
~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: matt7323tze@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 09:07:03 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Irony...or how to curse yourself
>
>
>
> Robert Mueller wrote on Sun, 14 October 2012 09:09
> > G'day,
> >
> > Nah, that's me. The "u" and "e" get reversed constantly. Actually the REAL family name is Muller with an umlaut (two dots) above the
> > "u".
> >
> > The story goes that when my Grandfather Francis Muller stood in front of the Immigration Officer on Ellis Island he was told; "we
> > don't have the umlaut in English so I'm going to put an "e" after the "u". Since Germans always follow orders from authority figures he didn't say a thing! I kinda wish he would have told them not to do that as the spelling gets messed up a lot AND it totally screws up the pronunciation!
> >
> > On a final note you can call me anything you like except late to dinner! ;)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob M���ller
>
> Rob,
>
> An Umlaut U is available if you want it. Alt - 129
>
> We have used Alt 138 (�) for years now. Since my family name was French once, (It was longer then and no English speakers ever got it right) there had been a sort of a tradition of naming the family boats with French names. The ketch was "Que Vive", the little black sloop was supposed to be Sambaux (sort of from the Kipling) but it was so often read as Sambox that dad gave up, our sloop was "Bonne Ide�" (say Bonnie Day) and the coach is Chaumi�re (say Show Me Air). My wife has a thing for bi-lingual puns - can you tell?
>
> Having (like you) lived some time sort of close to Ellis Island have heard so many stories of foreign names being damaged and destroyed.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie
> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumi�re (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you will find
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
                Â
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| Re: [GMCnet] Irony...or how to curse yourself [message #187309 is a reply to message #187215] |
Mon, 15 October 2012 08:20 |
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USAussie
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Mac,
I'm sorry but I'm going to disagree with you, Germany had / has an excellent education system in place since 1763, when Frederick
the Great of Prussia mandated regular school attendance from the ages of 5 through 13 or 14.
Guess who invented Kindergartens?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindergarten
My Dad told me about how he was educated, he attended primary school, secondary general school, vocational school and at 12 he was
apprenticed as a sheet metal layout man / boiler maker. He came from a small farming village called Gredtstaddt south of Schweinfurt
(as in SKF Bearings).
Here's a link to how it's set up, IMHO it's better organized than the education systems in the USA and Australia. By age 13 you have
learned a trade and can earn a living!
http://library.thinkquest.org/26576/schoolpage.htm
By the way if you attend vocational school you are not looked down on like the children that go to one here!
As far as what the officials wrote down it was MUELLER not MILLER! Usually it gets pronounced MULL - ER or MULE - ER. The only
people that can pronounce it correctly when spelled Müller are Germans!
To make ends meet both of my parents worked and I was raised by my Grandmother. Up until the time I started Kindergarten my English
wasn't too good as German was the language used in my Grandparents home. They realized I needed to learn English so they changed
over. I can still remember that my Oma did a lot better than my Opa! In fact he never really got 100% fluent.
Next time we stop by we can have a chat in German or French as I speak both (and a bit of Spanish). No I never learned to speak
Cantonese or Mandarin when I was based in Hong Kong and I'm sorry I didn't. Chinese people light up when I use the few words I know.
On a final note you're a HAM radio buff, wouldn't it be neat if you could speak to people around the world in THEIR language. Guess
how much good that would do to help the view other people have of Americans!
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: D C _Mac_ Macdonald
I suspect many German immigrants named Mueller couldn't
read/write in any language. The officials wrote down
"Miller" 'cause that's sorta the way it sounded. It
means the same, anyway!
Judy and I learned rudimentary Deutsch during 4 years
of living there, courtesy of uncle sam's flying club
and do our best to always pronounce words as they would
be by the natives of those countries. She was REALLY
good with the pronunciations of French and I butcher
them totally 'cause I really don't shiv a git!
Putting the "e" ahead of the "u" will really screw up
the pronunciation as that is basically the sound of
"oy" such as in Olive Oyl! I.E., Deutsch is pronounced
as a combination of doytsh and doytch. However you
pronounce it, a German will certainly know what you mean!
And I have never figured out how to make all those
extra characters such as ALT 129. Nothing shows up
here when I type that 1 2 9 with ALT held down. I'm
either doing something wrong, or my computers don't
speak that "language."
~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Irony...or how to curse yourself [message #187311 is a reply to message #187228] |
Mon, 15 October 2012 08:30 |
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USAussie
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Hal,
I don't have a problem with that idea.
Lots of people contributed to that document and it's a good reference when you're in East Jibib with a problem and need a tow.
I've Cc'd Bdub on this, maybe he could put a link to the Towing guide on the GMCES tech pages in the same box where he has the Black
List.
Bdub, how about sticking the following in the section where the Black List is:
If you're in East Jibib and there aren't any GMCer's nearby to help this document will come in handy!
http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Mueller_GMC-Towing-Guide.pdf
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Hal Kading
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 1:26 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Irony...or how to curse yourself
Rob & Roger,
Seems to me the Towing Guide should be made a part of the Black List.
Hal Kading 78 Buskirk Las Cruces NM
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'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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