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| back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued [message #185864] |
Fri, 28 September 2012 16:39  |
JohnL455
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I had ordered a 7th LTX from Tire Rack to round out my set of 6 to 7 to go with the Alcoa classic I just got from Jim K. I figured a 12+ year old LRD spare on a steel isn't really a spare. Tire Rack told me 3 weeks ago it would be 6 weeks till Michelin did a new run. Now today I found out there will be no more made with the Raised Outline White Letter to match my other 6. So I called Michelin, who sent me to Coker (as they sold remaining invetory to them I was told), who just got out of the 'recently obsolete' tires and are now only on the realy classic stuff and redlines etc. Coker sent me to Quality tire as they sold them all to them, and I dead ended with no tire. I called my local Tire Rack installer, KO Tire and Kevin sent me to TCI who found some in LA or Vermont. So he will order one for me at full price, and I can't be concerned with date stamp at this point as I want 7 matiching tires. SO beware if your run these LTX M/S as the ROWL are done and I suspect the Blackwall is soon to be replaced by the new 'improved' model as well. If you need a blackwall or 2, hurry up and get them now while the gettin's good.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued [message #185872 is a reply to message #185869] |
Fri, 28 September 2012 17:52  |
jhbridges
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Does this mean I can mix 16 and 16.5s as long as the same size are on the same axle? Tell me it's so - I can't drop 3 Units all at once for shoes.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued
John,
Don't let it bother you...
Next year we start our change to 16" - 2 at a time for three years. A year after the last pair, we buy one new for a spare.
If at the end of that five years, I have seven matching tires, I will be truly surprised. If they are even all from the same company, that would be nice, but I bet that doesn't happen.
Matt
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Matt & Mary Colie
'73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you will find
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued [message #185873 is a reply to message #185872] |
Fri, 28 September 2012 18:04 |
gbarrow2
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Johnny,
Why would it not be so?
The 16" with 225 75 16 is supposed to be same diameter as 16.5 with what ever came from factory. Other wise the speedo would need recalibration.
It's at least close enough that 16 on one axle and 16.5 on another will not matter.
That's my story and I'm stickin with it- till some one ejimacates me.
Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued [message #185874 is a reply to message #185873] |
Fri, 28 September 2012 18:06 |
jhbridges
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OK then I'll corroborate it for you! I thought it oughta but I want some company in many of my follies, this being one.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: gene barrow <barrowgene@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued
Johnny,
Why would it not be so?
The 16" with 225 75 16 is supposed to be same diameter as 16.5 with what ever came from factory. Other wise the speedo would need recalibration.
It's at least close enough that 16 on one axle and 16.5 on another will not matter.
That's my story and I'm stickin with it- till some one ejimacates me.
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Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach
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| Re: back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued [message #185898 is a reply to message #185864] |
Sat, 29 September 2012 08:21 |
GeorgeRud
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The front axle should be the only one that would benefit from having the same size (rolling diameter) tires. All the rear tires are independent so mixing sizes wouldn't affect straight line running. As far as handling, I don't know how much of a difference it should make as the rear shouldn't be sliding around on a Motorhome. You're not driving it like it's a Porsche!
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued [message #185906 is a reply to message #185903] |
Sat, 29 September 2012 09:15 |
powerjon
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Johnny,
It would be extremely bad if you were running the radial tire on a
bias ply rated rim which has happened in the past. You need to check
your rims to insure they are radial rated. The radial stamp ( an R in
a circle) is located on the back side of the rim opposite the valve
stem. As for running radial and bias ply tires on the coach at the
same time. I would suggest that the tires on each axle are the same
type. Radials on the front would greatly improve your handling. The
bias ply tires are very noising when first moving after setting for a
long time or over night. The flat spots have to get round.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
Michigan
On Sep 29, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Johnny Bridges wrote:
> My 16.5 transforces are radials. And yeh, it >is< a bad idea to mix
> radial and bias ply tyres.
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> --johnny
> '76 23' transmode norris
> '76 palm beach
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> From: Jeff Rogers <Jrogers@itresource.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued
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> More of a question than a statement...
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> I thought the 16's were radials and the 16.5's were not???
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> And isn't it bad to mix tire types???
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| Re: [GMCnet] back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued [message #185907 is a reply to message #185906] |
Sat, 29 September 2012 09:27 |
C Boyd
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I was a thinkin the non radial rims are rivited and the radial wheels are welded.
| powerjon wrote on Sat, 29 September 2012 10:15 |
Johnny,
It would be extremely bad if you were running the radial tire on a
bias ply rated rim which has happened in the past. You need to check
your rims to insure they are radial rated. The radial stamp ( an R in
a circle) is located on the back side of the rim opposite the valve
stem. As for running radial and bias ply tires on the coach at the
same time. I would suggest that the tires on each axle are the same
type. Radials on the front would greatly improve your handling. The
bias ply tires are very noising when first moving after setting for a
long time or over night. The flat spots have to get round.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
Michigan
On Sep 29, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Johnny Bridges wrote:
> My 16.5 transforces are radials. And yeh, it >is< a bad idea to mix
> radial and bias ply tyres.
>
> --johnny
> '76 23' transmode norris
> '76 palm beach
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> From: Jeff Rogers <Jrogers@itresource.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued
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> More of a question than a statement...
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> I thought the 16's were radials and the 16.5's were not???
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> And isn't it bad to mix tire types???
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| Re: [GMCnet] back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued [message #185908 is a reply to message #185907] |
Sat, 29 September 2012 10:21 |
powerjon
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Nope, both are welded and basically the same rim, but one is not be
rated for radial tires and is not stamped. The non radial rated rim
has had cracking problems and loss of air issues when used with a
radial tire.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
Michigan
On Sep 29, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Charles Boyd wrote:
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> I was a thinkin the non radial rims are rivited and the radial
> wheels are welded.
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> powerjon wrote on Sat, 29 September 2012 10:15
>> Johnny,
>> It would be extremely bad if you were running the radial tire on a
>> bias ply rated rim which has happened in the past. You need to check
>> your rims to insure they are radial rated. The radial stamp ( an R
>> in
>> a circle) is located on the back side of the rim opposite the valve
>> stem. As for running radial and bias ply tires on the coach at the
>> same time. I would suggest that the tires on each axle are the same
>> type. Radials on the front would greatly improve your handling. The
>> bias ply tires are very noising when first moving after setting for a
>> long time or over night. The flat spots have to get round.
>>
>> JR Wright
>> 78 Buskirk Stretch
>> Michigan
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>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Johnny Bridges wrote:
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>>> My 16.5 transforces are radials. And yeh, it >is< a bad idea to mix
>>> radial and bias ply tyres.
>>>
>>> --johnny
>>> '76 23' transmode norris
>>> '76 palm beach
>>>
>>> From: Jeff Rogers <Jrogers@itresource.com>
>>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>>> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 10:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued
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>>> More of a question than a statement...
>>>
>>> I thought the 16's were radials and the 16.5's were not???
>>>
>>> And isn't it bad to mix tire types???
>> ___________________________________
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| Re: back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued [message #185928 is a reply to message #185864] |
Sat, 29 September 2012 18:08 |
JohnL455
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The radials put more stress on the wheels. Hence they had to change the wheels to radial rated when radials first appeared as an option on the GMC. NOW---- a lot of old muscle car guys put the good old Radial TA on pre radial wheels and seem to live to tell about it. However, in a passenger car the weights and stresss are so much lower. If you remember the first proto GMCs had Toronado 5 lug car wheels and they got cracks during testing with bias ply tires so hence the production change to the duelly truck 8 lug 16.5 wheel.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued [message #185932 is a reply to message #185906] |
Sat, 29 September 2012 18:50 |
jhbridges
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Somehow, this has become a garden of misinformation. So:
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My 23' coach fits Firestone Transforce radial tires on 16.5 radial wheels. They work quite well.
The initial question was whether I could replace the 16.5s two at a time with 16s, cos 6 wheel and tires at once would be beyond my means. It appears that I safely can. Now, as to the question of mixing radials and bias ply, the tire makes say you can. My experience is you shouldn't, you will get the worst opf both worlds in handling. Now, few if any of us are gonna run slaloms in a GMC, so the mix probably wouldn't matter. On an Austin Healey, it made a hell of a diofference, and I wouldn't do it agan.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: John Wright <powerjon@chartermi.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued
Johnny,
It would be extremely bad if you were running the radial tire on a
bias ply rated rim which has happened in the past. You need to check
your rims to insure they are radial rated. The radial stamp ( an R in
a circle) is located on the back side of the rim opposite the valve
stem. As for running radial and bias ply tires on the coach at the
same time. I would suggest that the tires on each axle are the same
type. Radials on the front would greatly improve your handling. The
bias ply tires are very noising when first moving after setting for a
long time or over night. The flat spots have to get round.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
Michigan
On Sep 29, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Johnny Bridges wrote:
> My 16.5 transforces are radials. And yeh, it >is< a bad idea to mix
> radial and bias ply tyres.
>
> --johnny
> '76 23' transmode norris
> '76 palm beach
>
> From: Jeff Rogers <Jrogers@itresource.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued
>
>
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> More of a question than a statement...
>
> I thought the 16's were radials and the 16.5's were not???
>
> And isn't it bad to mix tire types???
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Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: back ordered LTX M/S LRE ROWL now discontinued [message #185993 is a reply to message #185864] |
Sun, 30 September 2012 13:17 |
JohnL455
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My tire guy found some in warehouses. I have one on the way to keep a matched set. RF will be the new spare and new tire will go RF. Now I need to order the locking spare nuts from JimK.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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