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[GMCnet] TANKS COMING DOWN (arggggggg) [message #185162]

Thu, 20 September 2012 09:12

Mr ERFisher

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Just like life " None of us are getting out of this alive"

It looks like:
- age
- Ethanol
- technology
- Poly Armour
- 30R14
mean we all,(GMCers), are going to have to drop our tanks...

Everyone I know who has done it once ---- has done it twice
so trying to beat this rap, here is my current list of links

> teets
> http://teamteets.com/gmc/gastanks.html
>
> ken hendersen
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/u40-kenhenders.html
>
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/dual-electric-fuel-pumps-wiring-to-select-fuel-tank/p44593-030-fuel-line-guard.html
>
> carlS
http://goo.gl/kaf6U

so hope to do it just one time
- metal lines on the top of the tanks
- holes in the floor for new senders / electric pumps
- vent lines that only go up hill
- drain lines connected so there is only one tank, sender, etc
- senders rebuilt

John Bush and I are on my 26 today, will keep you informed ;>)

trying to make it to TI rally
gene

> --
> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> �Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> -------
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
> Alternator Protection Cable
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>

--
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-------
http://gmcmotorhome.info/
Alternator Protection Cable
http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html

--
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�Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
-------
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Alternator Protection Cable
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Re: [GMCnet] TANKS COMING DOWN (arggggggg) [message #185163 is a reply to message #185162]

Thu, 20 September 2012 09:21

WD0AFQ

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Location: Dexter, Mo.

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You should be able to get them down and up with few problems. For folks who plan ahead, it can be only a one time deal. I have dropped mine once. Will do it only one more time, did not plan ahead as much as I should have. In tank fuel pumps for me and holes in the floor, along with metal lines. With holes and metal lines, there should be no need to pull them again. Senders can be changed out from above.
Don't let the wife in the GMC until you have those holes fixed and covered. Very Happy

Dan

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Re: [GMCnet] TANKS COMING DOWN (arggggggg) [message #185168 is a reply to message #185162]

Thu, 20 September 2012 10:25

Ray Erspamer

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Registered: May 2007
Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin

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I removed my tanks in August of 2011 and then had to again this past
June.....had one of the new super duty hoses crack, it's not the most fun job
but what can ya do.

If I have to do it again I'm going to have metal lines brazed to the pickups
that extend out to where they are accessible. Should have done that this last
time but I was in a time crunch.

Ray

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78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
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From: gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thu, September 20, 2012 9:12:16 AM
Subject: [GMCnet] TANKS COMING DOWN (arggggggg)

Just like life " None of us are getting out of this alive"

It looks like:
- age
- Ethanol
- technology
- Poly Armour
- 30R14
mean we all,(GMCers), are going to have to drop our tanks...

Everyone I know who has done it once ---- has done it twice
so trying to beat this rap, here is my current list of links

> teets
> http://teamteets.com/gmc/gastanks.html
>
> ken hendersen
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/u40-kenhenders.html
>
>
>http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/dual-electric-fuel-pumps-wiring-to-select-fuel-tank/p44593-030-fuel-line-guard.html
>l
>
> carlS
http://goo.gl/kaf6U

so hope to do it just one time
- metal lines on the top of the tanks
- holes in the floor for new senders / electric pumps
- vent lines that only go up hill
- drain lines connected so there is only one tank, sender, etc
- senders rebuilt

John Bush and I are on my 26 today, will keep you informed ;>)

trying to make it to TI rally
gene

> --
> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> -------
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
> Alternator Protection Cable
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>

--
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“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
-------
http://gmcmotorhome.info/
Alternator Protection Cable
http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html

--
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“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
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Re: [GMCnet] TANKS COMING DOWN (arggggggg) [message #185174 is a reply to message #185162]

Thu, 20 September 2012 11:09

roy1

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Mr ERFisher wrote on Thu, 20 September 2012 07:12

30R14 ?? is that the hoses you are using I thought 30R9 was expensive ? I'm presently doing mine also and found mine was redone in 1983 with gates 30R1 hose and it is still in pretty good shape after 29 years using only California gas. Ray's idea of brazed hard line to the senders would eleminate a potential leak but would removing the sender with the tank in place tough. I'll have to think on that one.

Roy Keen Minden,NV 76 X Glenbrook

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Re: [GMCnet] TANKS COMING DOWN (arggggggg) [message #185182 is a reply to message #185174]

Thu, 20 September 2012 12:21

Steven Ferguson

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I used the best barrier hose available to connect hard lines to the lines
from the senders. Very short pieces. I ran the hard lines all the way
across the tops of the tanks and extended them two inches past the edges of
the tanks to facilitate future soft line replacement without having to drop
the tanks. I just don't think there's much of a threat of damage from new
fuels to those short pieces of hose (barely long enough for two hose
clamps). I was worried that brazing hard lines would lead to sender damage
or future fatigue cracks around the brazes. Everywhere I could, I replaced
soft lines with SS lines. I eliminated all fuel lines forward of the
headers by running an insulated line up the firewall, across the intake
near the valve cover, to a FP regulator and then to the carb. I replaced
the mechanical pump with a block off plate. Here's pics:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/carburetor-stuff/p25479-fuel-line.html
For the line up the firewall, I used foam insulation for piping, wrapped
with reflectix. You'lll have to ask Jim Garmen if he has any issues with
vapor lock, I never did.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:09 AM, <roy@gmcnet.org> wrote:

>
>
> Mr ERFisher wrote on Thu, 20 September 2012 07:12
> > Just like life " None of us are getting out of this alive"
> >
> > It looks like:
> > - age
> > - Ethanol
> > - technology
> > - Poly Armour
> > - 30R14
> > mean we all,(GMCers), are going to have to drop our tanks...
> >
> > Everyone I know who has done it once ---- has done it twice
> > so trying to beat this rap, here is my current list of links
> >
> >
> > > teets
> > > http://teamteets.com/gmc/gastanks.html
> > >
> > > ken hendersen
> > > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/u40-kenhenders.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/dual-electric-fuel-pumps-wiring-to-select-fuel-tank/p44593-030-fuel-line-guard.html
> > >
> > > carlS
> > http://goo.gl/kaf6U
> >
> > so hope to do it just one time
> > - metal lines on the top of the tanks
> > - holes in the floor for new senders / electric pumps
> > - vent lines that only go up hill
> > - drain lines connected so there is only one tank, sender, etc
> > - senders rebuilt
> >
> > John Bush and I are on my 26 today, will keep you informed ;>)
> >
> > trying to make it to TI rally
> > gene
> >
> >
> > > --
> > > Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> > > Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> > > -------
> > > http://gmcmotorhome.info/
> > > Alternator Protection Cable
> > > http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> > Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> > -------
> > http://gmcmotorhome.info/
> > Alternator Protection Cable
> > http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> > Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> > -------
> > http://gmcmotorhome.info/
> > Alternator Protection Cable
> > http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
> > _______________________________________________
> > GMCnet mailing list
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>
> 30R14 ?? is that the hoses you are using I thought 30R9 was expensive ?
> I'm presently doing mine also and found mine was redone in 1983 with gates
> 30R1 hose and it is still in pretty good shape after 29 years using only
> California gas. Ray's idea of brazed hard line to the senders would
> eleminate a potential leak but would removing the sender with the tank in
> place tough. I'll have to think on that one.
> --
> Roy Keen
> Minden,NV
> 76 X Glenbrook
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Re: [GMCnet] TANKS COMING DOWN (arggggggg) [message #185198 is a reply to message #185182]

Thu, 20 September 2012 14:36

GMC_LES

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Does anyone know what the plastic fuel lines are made of on most newer fuel injected vehicles? If that stuff was available in rolls, it might be a better choice for some installations. Only problem would be finding a method of making leakproof connections.

Les Burt
Montreali

On 2012-09-20, at 1:21 PM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:

> I used the best barrier hose available to connect hard lines to the lines
> from the senders. Very short pieces. I ran the hard lines all the way
> across the tops of the tanks and extended them two inches past the edges of
> the tanks to facilitate future soft line replacement without having to drop
> the tanks. I just don't think there's much of a threat of damage from new
> fuels to those short pieces of hose (barely long enough for two hose
> clamps). I was worried that brazing hard lines would lead to sender damage
> or future fatigue cracks around the brazes. Everywhere I could, I replaced
> soft lines with SS lines. I eliminated all fuel lines forward of the
> headers by running an insulated line up the firewall, across the intake
> near the valve cover, to a FP regulator and then to the carb. I replaced
> the mechanical pump with a block off plate. Here's pics:
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/carburetor-stuff/p25479-fuel-line.html
> For the line up the firewall, I used foam insulation for piping, wrapped
> with reflectix. You'lll have to ask Jim Garmen if he has any issues with
> vapor lock, I never did.
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:09 AM, <roy@gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Mr ERFisher wrote on Thu, 20 September 2012 07:12
>>> Just like life " None of us are getting out of this alive"
>>>
>>> It looks like:
>>> - age
>>> - Ethanol
>>> - technology
>>> - Poly Armour
>>> - 30R14
>>> mean we all,(GMCers), are going to have to drop our tanks...
>>>
>>> Everyone I know who has done it once ---- has done it twice
>>> so trying to beat this rap, here is my current list of links
>>>
>>>
>>>> teets
>>>> http://teamteets.com/gmc/gastanks.html
>>>>
>>>> ken hendersen
>>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/u40-kenhenders.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/dual-electric-fuel-pumps-wiring-to-select-fuel-tank/p44593-030-fuel-line-guard.html
>>>>
>>>> carlS
>>> http://goo.gl/kaf6U
>>>
>>> so hope to do it just one time
>>> - metal lines on the top of the tanks
>>> - holes in the floor for new senders / electric pumps
>>> - vent lines that only go up hill
>>> - drain lines connected so there is only one tank, sender, etc
>>> - senders rebuilt
>>>
>>> John Bush and I are on my 26 today, will keep you informed ;>)
>>>
>>> trying to make it to TI rally
>>> gene
>>>
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
>>>> Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
>>>> -------
>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
>>>> Alternator Protection Cable
>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
>>> Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
>>> -------
>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
>>> Alternator Protection Cable
>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
>>> Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
>>> -------
>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
>>> Alternator Protection Cable
>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>>
>> 30R14 ?? is that the hoses you are using I thought 30R9 was expensive ?
>> I'm presently doing mine also and found mine was redone in 1983 with gates
>> 30R1 hose and it is still in pretty good shape after 29 years using only
>> California gas. Ray's idea of brazed hard line to the senders would
>> eleminate a potential leak but would removing the sender with the tank in
>> place tough. I'll have to think on that one.
>> --
>> Roy Keen
>> Minden,NV
>> 76 X Glenbrook
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> Fathom the hypocrisy of a nation where every citizen must prove they have
> health insurance......but not everyone has to prove they're a citizen.
> Steve Ferguson
> Sierra Vista, AZ
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Re: [GMCnet] TANKS COMING DOWN (arggggggg) [message #185260 is a reply to message #185198]

Fri, 21 September 2012 07:44

Steven Ferguson

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Les, it is available in rolls but it is mega expensive. To make a leak
proof connection, use your double flaring tool and only perform step one on
the end of the hard tubing. This raised, half flare, will ensure a leak
free connection. Do not use worm gear type clamps. Use only those that
are made for fuel injection high pressure connections.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Les Burt <gmc.les@gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know what the plastic fuel lines are made of on most newer
> fuel injected vehicles? If that stuff was available in rolls, it might be a
> better choice for some installations. Only problem would be finding a
> method of making leakproof connections.
>
> Les Burt
> Montreali
>
>
>
> On 2012-09-20, at 1:21 PM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I used the best barrier hose available to connect hard lines to the lines
> > from the senders. Very short pieces. I ran the hard lines all the way
> > across the tops of the tanks and extended them two inches past the edges
> of
> > the tanks to facilitate future soft line replacement without having to
> drop
> > the tanks. I just don't think there's much of a threat of damage from
> new
> > fuels to those short pieces of hose (barely long enough for two hose
> > clamps). I was worried that brazing hard lines would lead to sender
> damage
> > or future fatigue cracks around the brazes. Everywhere I could, I
> replaced
> > soft lines with SS lines. I eliminated all fuel lines forward of the
> > headers by running an insulated line up the firewall, across the intake
> > near the valve cover, to a FP regulator and then to the carb. I replaced
> > the mechanical pump with a block off plate. Here's pics:
> > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/carburetor-stuff/p25479-fuel-line.html
> > For the line up the firewall, I used foam insulation for piping, wrapped
> > with reflectix. You'lll have to ask Jim Garmen if he has any issues with
> > vapor lock, I never did.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:09 AM, <roy@gmcnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Mr ERFisher wrote on Thu, 20 September 2012 07:12
> >>> Just like life " None of us are getting out of this alive"
> >>>
> >>> It looks like:
> >>> - age
> >>> - Ethanol
> >>> - technology
> >>> - Poly Armour
> >>> - 30R14
> >>> mean we all,(GMCers), are going to have to drop our tanks...
> >>>
> >>> Everyone I know who has done it once ---- has done it twice
> >>> so trying to beat this rap, here is my current list of links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> teets
> >>>> http://teamteets.com/gmc/gastanks.html
> >>>>
> >>>> ken hendersen
> >>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/u40-kenhenders.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/dual-electric-fuel-pumps-wiring-to-select-fuel-tank/p44593-030-fuel-line-guard.html
> >>>>
> >>>> carlS
> >>> http://goo.gl/kaf6U
> >>>
> >>> so hope to do it just one time
> >>> - metal lines on the top of the tanks
> >>> - holes in the floor for new senders / electric pumps
> >>> - vent lines that only go up hill
> >>> - drain lines connected so there is only one tank, sender, etc
> >>> - senders rebuilt
> >>>
> >>> John Bush and I are on my 26 today, will keep you informed ;>)
> >>>
> >>> trying to make it to TI rally
> >>> gene
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> >>>> Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> >>>> -------
> >>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
> >>>> Alternator Protection Cable
> >>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> >>> Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> >>> -------
> >>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
> >>> Alternator Protection Cable
> >>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> >>> Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> >>> -------
> >>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
> >>> Alternator Protection Cable
> >>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> GMCnet mailing list
> >>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> >>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
> >>
> >> 30R14 ?? is that the hoses you are using I thought 30R9 was expensive ?
> >> I'm presently doing mine also and found mine was redone in 1983 with
> gates
> >> 30R1 hose and it is still in pretty good shape after 29 years using only
> >> California gas. Ray's idea of brazed hard line to the senders would
> >> eleminate a potential leak but would removing the sender with the tank
> in
> >> place tough. I'll have to think on that one.
> >> --
> >> Roy Keen
> >> Minden,NV
> >> 76 X Glenbrook
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> GMCnet mailing list
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Fathom the hypocrisy of a nation where every citizen must prove they have
> > health insurance......but not everyone has to prove they're a citizen.
> > Steve Ferguson
> > Sierra Vista, AZ
> > _______________________________________________
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Re: [GMCnet] TANKS COMING DOWN (arggggggg) [message #185266 is a reply to message #185260]

Fri, 21 September 2012 09:42

Mr ERFisher

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Pic ??

Gene

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On Sep 21, 2012, at 5:44 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:

> Les, it is available in rolls but it is mega expensive. To make a leak
> proof connection, use your double flaring tool and only perform step one on
> the end of the hard tubing. This raised, half flare, will ensure a leak
> free connection. Do not use worm gear type clamps. Use only those that
> are made for fuel injection high pressure connections.
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Les Burt <gmc.les@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know what the plastic fuel lines are made of on most newer
>> fuel injected vehicles? If that stuff was available in rolls, it might be a
>> better choice for some installations. Only problem would be finding a
>> method of making leakproof connections.
>>
>> Les Burt
>> Montreali
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2012-09-20, at 1:21 PM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I used the best barrier hose available to connect hard lines to the lines
>>> from the senders. Very short pieces. I ran the hard lines all the way
>>> across the tops of the tanks and extended them two inches past the edges
>> of
>>> the tanks to facilitate future soft line replacement without having to
>> drop
>>> the tanks. I just don't think there's much of a threat of damage from
>> new
>>> fuels to those short pieces of hose (barely long enough for two hose
>>> clamps). I was worried that brazing hard lines would lead to sender
>> damage
>>> or future fatigue cracks around the brazes. Everywhere I could, I
>> replaced
>>> soft lines with SS lines. I eliminated all fuel lines forward of the
>>> headers by running an insulated line up the firewall, across the intake
>>> near the valve cover, to a FP regulator and then to the carb. I replaced
>>> the mechanical pump with a block off plate. Here's pics:
>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/carburetor-stuff/p25479-fuel-line.html
>>> For the line up the firewall, I used foam insulation for piping, wrapped
>>> with reflectix. You'lll have to ask Jim Garmen if he has any issues with
>>> vapor lock, I never did.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:09 AM, <roy@gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mr ERFisher wrote on Thu, 20 September 2012 07:12
>>>>> Just like life " None of us are getting out of this alive"
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like:
>>>>> - age
>>>>> - Ethanol
>>>>> - technology
>>>>> - Poly Armour
>>>>> - 30R14
>>>>> mean we all,(GMCers), are going to have to drop our tanks...
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone I know who has done it once ---- has done it twice
>>>>> so trying to beat this rap, here is my current list of links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> teets
>>>>>> http://teamteets.com/gmc/gastanks.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ken hendersen
>>>>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/u40-kenhenders.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/dual-electric-fuel-pumps-wiring-to-select-fuel-tank/p44593-030-fuel-line-guard.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> carlS
>>>>> http://goo.gl/kaf6U
>>>>>
>>>>> so hope to do it just one time
>>>>> - metal lines on the top of the tanks
>>>>> - holes in the floor for new senders / electric pumps
>>>>> - vent lines that only go up hill
>>>>> - drain lines connected so there is only one tank, sender, etc
>>>>> - senders rebuilt
>>>>>
>>>>> John Bush and I are on my 26 today, will keep you informed ;>)
>>>>>
>>>>> trying to make it to TI rally
>>>>> gene
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
>>>>>> Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
>>>>>> Alternator Protection Cable
>>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
>>>>> Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
>>>>> -------
>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
>>>>> Alternator Protection Cable
>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
>>>>> Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
>>>>> -------
>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
>>>>> Alternator Protection Cable
>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> GMCnet mailing list
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>>>>
>>>> 30R14 ?? is that the hoses you are using I thought 30R9 was expensive ?
>>>> I'm presently doing mine also and found mine was redone in 1983 with
>> gates
>>>> 30R1 hose and it is still in pretty good shape after 29 years using only
>>>> California gas. Ray's idea of brazed hard line to the senders would
>>>> eleminate a potential leak but would removing the sender with the tank
>> in
>>>> place tough. I'll have to think on that one.
>>>> --
>>>> Roy Keen
>>>> Minden,NV
>>>> 76 X Glenbrook
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Fathom the hypocrisy of a nation where every citizen must prove they have
>>> health insurance......but not everyone has to prove they're a citizen.
>>> Steve Ferguson
>>> Sierra Vista, AZ
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Re: [GMCnet] TANKS COMING DOWN (arggggggg) [message #185290 is a reply to message #185266]

Fri, 21 September 2012 14:25

GMC_LES

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I'd also like to know a source for this plastic fuel tubing. I've only looked briefly with no results.

Les Burt
Montreal

On 2012-09-21, at 10:42 AM, mr.erfisher@gmail.com wrote:

> Pic ??
>
> Gene
>
> FREE WIFI @ Mickey D
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2012, at 5:44 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Les, it is available in rolls but it is mega expensive. To make a leak
>> proof connection, use your double flaring tool and only perform step one on
>> the end of the hard tubing. This raised, half flare, will ensure a leak
>> free connection. Do not use worm gear type clamps. Use only those that
>> are made for fuel injection high pressure connections.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Les Burt <gmc.les@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know what the plastic fuel lines are made of on most newer
>>> fuel injected vehicles? If that stuff was available in rolls, it might be a
>>> better choice for some installations. Only problem would be finding a
>>> method of making leakproof connections.
>>>
>>> Les Burt
>>> Montreali
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2012-09-20, at 1:21 PM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I used the best barrier hose available to connect hard lines to the lines
>>>> from the senders. Very short pieces. I ran the hard lines all the way
>>>> across the tops of the tanks and extended them two inches past the edges
>>> of
>>>> the tanks to facilitate future soft line replacement without having to
>>> drop
>>>> the tanks. I just don't think there's much of a threat of damage from
>>> new
>>>> fuels to those short pieces of hose (barely long enough for two hose
>>>> clamps). I was worried that brazing hard lines would lead to sender
>>> damage
>>>> or future fatigue cracks around the brazes. Everywhere I could, I
>>> replaced
>>>> soft lines with SS lines. I eliminated all fuel lines forward of the
>>>> headers by running an insulated line up the firewall, across the intake
>>>> near the valve cover, to a FP regulator and then to the carb. I replaced
>>>> the mechanical pump with a block off plate. Here's pics:
>>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/carburetor-stuff/p25479-fuel-line.html
>>>> For the line up the firewall, I used foam insulation for piping, wrapped
>>>> with reflectix. You'lll have to ask Jim Garmen if he has any issues with
>>>> vapor lock, I never did.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:09 AM, <roy@gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr ERFisher wrote on Thu, 20 September 2012 07:12
>>>>>> Just like life " None of us are getting out of this alive"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like:
>>>>>> - age
>>>>>> - Ethanol
>>>>>> - technology
>>>>>> - Poly Armour
>>>>>> - 30R14
>>>>>> mean we all,(GMCers), are going to have to drop our tanks...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone I know who has done it once ---- has done it twice
>>>>>> so trying to beat this rap, here is my current list of links
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> teets
>>>>>>> http://teamteets.com/gmc/gastanks.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ken hendersen
>>>>>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/u40-kenhenders.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/dual-electric-fuel-pumps-wiring-to-select-fuel-tank/p44593-030-fuel-line-guard.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> carlS
>>>>>> http://goo.gl/kaf6U
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so hope to do it just one time
>>>>>> - metal lines on the top of the tanks
>>>>>> - holes in the floor for new senders / electric pumps
>>>>>> - vent lines that only go up hill
>>>>>> - drain lines connected so there is only one tank, sender, etc
>>>>>> - senders rebuilt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Bush and I are on my 26 today, will keep you informed ;>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> trying to make it to TI rally
>>>>>> gene
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
>>>>>>> Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
>>>>>>> Alternator Protection Cable
>>>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
>>>>>> Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
>>>>>> Alternator Protection Cable
>>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
>>>>>> Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
>>>>>> Alternator Protection Cable
>>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>>>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>>>>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>>>>>
>>>>> 30R14 ?? is that the hoses you are using I thought 30R9 was expensive ?
>>>>> I'm presently doing mine also and found mine was redone in 1983 with
>>> gates
>>>>> 30R1 hose and it is still in pretty good shape after 29 years using only
>>>>> California gas. Ray's idea of brazed hard line to the senders would
>>>>> eleminate a potential leak but would removing the sender with the tank
>>> in
>>>>> place tough. I'll have to think on that one.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Roy Keen
>>>>> Minden,NV
>>>>> 76 X Glenbrook
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>>>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Fathom the hypocrisy of a nation where every citizen must prove they have
>>>> health insurance......but not everyone has to prove they're a citizen.
>>>> Steve Ferguson
>>>> Sierra Vista, AZ
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> GMCnet mailing list
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Fathom the hypocrisy of a nation where every citizen must prove they have
>> health insurance......but not everyone has to prove they're a citizen.
>> Steve Ferguson
>> Sierra Vista, AZ
>> _______________________________________________
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Re: [GMCnet] TANKS COMING DOWN (arggggggg) [message #185298 is a reply to message #185290]

Fri, 21 September 2012 16:16

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Marine supply stores.
I shop Sand Diego Marine Exchange here in San Diego .
The I use is USCG approved.
Howard
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average voter
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Burt" <gmc.les@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 12:25
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] TANKS COMING DOWN (arggggggg)

> I'd also like to know a source for this plastic fuel tubing. I've only
> looked briefly with no results.
>
> Les Burt
> Montreal
>
>
>
> On 2012-09-21, at 10:42 AM, mr.erfisher@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Pic ??
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> FREE WIFI @ Mickey D
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2012, at 5:44 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Les, it is available in rolls but it is mega expensive. To make a leak
>>> proof connection, use your double flaring tool and only perform step one
>>> on
>>> the end of the hard tubing. This raised, half flare, will ensure a leak
>>> free connection. Do not use worm gear type clamps. Use only those that
>>> are made for fuel injection high pressure connections.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Les Burt <gmc.les@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anyone know what the plastic fuel lines are made of on most newer
>>>> fuel injected vehicles? If that stuff was available in rolls, it might
>>>> be a
>>>> better choice for some installations. Only problem would be finding a
>>>> method of making leakproof connections.
>>>>
>>>> Les Burt
>>>> Montreali
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2012-09-20, at 1:21 PM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I used the best barrier hose available to connect hard lines to the
>>>>> lines
>>>>> from the senders. Very short pieces. I ran the hard lines all the
>>>>> way
>>>>> across the tops of the tanks and extended them two inches past the
>>>>> edges
>>>> of
>>>>> the tanks to facilitate future soft line replacement without having to
>>>> drop
>>>>> the tanks. I just don't think there's much of a threat of damage from
>>>> new
>>>>> fuels to those short pieces of hose (barely long enough for two hose
>>>>> clamps). I was worried that brazing hard lines would lead to sender
>>>> damage
>>>>> or future fatigue cracks around the brazes. Everywhere I could, I
>>>> replaced
>>>>> soft lines with SS lines. I eliminated all fuel lines forward of the
>>>>> headers by running an insulated line up the firewall, across the
>>>>> intake
>>>>> near the valve cover, to a FP regulator and then to the carb. I
>>>>> replaced
>>>>> the mechanical pump with a block off plate. Here's pics:
>>>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/carburetor-stuff/p25479-fuel-line.html
>>>>> For the line up the firewall, I used foam insulation for piping,
>>>>> wrapped
>>>>> with reflectix. You'lll have to ask Jim Garmen if he has any issues
>>>>> with
>>>>> vapor lock, I never did.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:09 AM, <roy@gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr ERFisher wrote on Thu, 20 September 2012 07:12
>>>>>>> Just like life " None of us are getting out of this alive"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It looks like:
>>>>>>> - age
>>>>>>> - Ethanol
>>>>>>> - technology
>>>>>>> - Poly Armour
>>>>>>> - 30R14
>>>>>>> mean we all,(GMCers), are going to have to drop our tanks...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everyone I know who has done it once ---- has done it twice
>>>>>>> so trying to beat this rap, here is my current list of links
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> teets
>>>>>>>> http://teamteets.com/gmc/gastanks.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ken hendersen
>>>>>>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/u40-kenhenders.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/dual-electric-fuel-pumps-wiring-to-select-fuel-tank/p44593-030-fuel-line-guard.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> carlS
>>>>>>> http://goo.gl/kaf6U
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so hope to do it just one time
>>>>>>> - metal lines on the top of the tanks
>>>>>>> - holes in the floor for new senders / electric pumps
>>>>>>> - vent lines that only go up hill
>>>>>>> - drain lines connected so there is only one tank, sender, etc
>>>>>>> - senders rebuilt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Bush and I are on my 26 today, will keep you informed ;>)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> trying to make it to TI rally
>>>>>>> gene
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
>>>>>>>> Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
>>>>>>>> Alternator Protection Cable
>>>>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
>>>>>>> Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
>>>>>>> Alternator Protection Cable
>>>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
>>>>>>> Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
>>>>>>> Alternator Protection Cable
>>>>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>>>>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>>>>>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 30R14 ?? is that the hoses you are using I thought 30R9 was expensive
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> I'm presently doing mine also and found mine was redone in 1983 with
>>>> gates
>>>>>> 30R1 hose and it is still in pretty good shape after 29 years using
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> California gas. Ray's idea of brazed hard line to the senders would
>>>>>> eleminate a potential leak but would removing the sender with the
>>>>>> tank
>>>> in
>>>>>> place tough. I'll have to think on that one.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Roy Keen
>>>>>> Minden,NV
>>>>>> 76 X Glenbrook
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>>>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>>>>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Fathom the hypocrisy of a nation where every citizen must prove they
>>>>> have
>>>>> health insurance......but not everyone has to prove they're a citizen.
>>>>> Steve Ferguson
>>>>> Sierra Vista, AZ
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> GMCnet mailing list
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> have
>>> health insurance......but not everyone has to prove they're a citizen.
>>> Steve Ferguson
>>> Sierra Vista, AZ
>>> _______________________________________________
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