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stick miller is currently offline  stick miller   United States
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This is a kind of interesting coach on ebay.

http://goo.gl/Ld8Ei

The plate says Rollalong - I've seen that before and assume that was someone who finished a Transmode.

The maroon panels on the side appear to be vinyl. I saw a coach with vinyl sides like that at St. Andrews State Park in Panama City Beach about a year ago.

Not really in the market, but thought this was interesting and it piqued my curiosity.


Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing [message #184649 is a reply to message #184618] Sat, 15 September 2012 21:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Len Novak is currently offline  Len Novak   United States
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Right up the road from me.

Len and Pat
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375

www.bdub.net/novak/




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This is a kind of interesting coach on ebay.

http://goo.gl/Ld8Ei

The plate says Rollalong - I've seen that before and assume that was someone
who finished a Transmode.

The maroon panels on the side appear to be vinyl. I saw a coach with vinyl
sides like that at St. Andrews State Park in Panama City Beach about a year
ago.

Not really in the market, but thought this was interesting and it piqued my
curiosity.
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'78 Royale - she left me for another man
Americus, Georgia



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Len and Pat Novak 1978 GMC Kingsley The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see! Las Vegas, NV new email: B52sRule@Gmail.com http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375 www.bdub.net/novak/
Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing [message #184672 is a reply to message #184649] Sun, 16 September 2012 03:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mickeysss is currently offline  mickeysss   United States
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is that a 23 footer" ?

mickey

anaheim ca.

77 palm beach.


On Sep 15, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Len Novak wrote:

> Right up the road from me.
>
> Len and Pat
> 1978 GMC Kingsley
> The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
> Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>
> www.bdub.net/novak/
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Stick Miller
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 3:22 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] ebay listing
>
>
>
> This is a kind of interesting coach on ebay.
>
> http://goo.gl/Ld8Ei
>
> The plate says Rollalong - I've seen that before and assume that was someone
> who finished a Transmode.
>
> The maroon panels on the side appear to be vinyl. I saw a coach with vinyl
> sides like that at St. Andrews State Park in Panama City Beach about a year
> ago.
>
> Not really in the market, but thought this was interesting and it piqued my
> curiosity.
> --
> Stick Miller
> '78 Royale - she left me for another man
> Americus, Georgia
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing [message #184675 is a reply to message #184672] Sun, 16 September 2012 05:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gmchunter is currently offline  gmchunter   United States
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Mickey:

It's a 26 footer as the side door is next to the rear wheels. The door would be next to front side window if it was a 23 footer.

Michael
Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing [message #184697 is a reply to message #184675] Sun, 16 September 2012 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i was asleep thanks.

mickey
77 palm beach\
anaheim ca.

it looks pretty good down at this price. for someone.

On Sep 16, 2012, at 3:02 AM, MICHAEL FOSTER wrote:

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>
> Mickey:
>
> It's a 26 footer as the side door is next to the rear wheels. The door would be next to front side window if it was a 23 footer.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing [message #184698 is a reply to message #184672] Sun, 16 September 2012 09:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
storm'n is currently offline  storm'n   United States
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  It's the same as this one.
http://www.nationalmultilist.com/listing.php?listing_id=101189
 
Norm



is that a 23 footer" ?

mickey

anaheim ca.

77 palm beach.


On Sep 15, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Len Novak wrote:

> Right up the road from me.
>
> Len and Pat
> 1978 GMC Kingsley
> The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
> Fallbrook, CA    new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>
> www.bdub.net/novak/
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Stick Miller
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 3:22 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] ebay listing
>
>
>
> This is a kind of interesting coach on ebay.
>
> http://goo.gl/Ld8Ei
>
> The plate says Rollalong - I've seen that before and assume that was someone
> who finished a Transmode.
>
> The maroon panels on the side appear to be vinyl. I saw a coach with vinyl
> sides like that at St. Andrews State Park in Panama City Beach about a year
> ago.
>
> Not really in the market, but thought this was interesting and it piqued my
> curiosity.
> --
> Stick Miller
> '78 Royale - she left me for another man
> Americus, Georgia
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing [message #184700 is a reply to message #184672] Sun, 16 September 2012 10:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
k2gkk is currently offline  k2gkk   United States
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Not absolutely sure, Mickey, but I think
that ONLY the 26 had the 6000 Watt Onan.

Lots of different external features than
"normal" 26 coaches and I think it's most
likely a Transmode finished out by that
RollAlong company.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
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~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
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> From: mickeysss@me.com
> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 01:35:02 -0700
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing
>
> is that a 23 footer" ?
>
> mickey
>
> anaheim ca.
>
> 77 palm beach.
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Len Novak wrote:
>
> > Right up the road from me.
> >
> > Len and Pat
> > 1978 GMC Kingsley
> > The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
> > Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
> > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
> >
> > www.bdub.net/novak/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> > [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Stick Miller
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 3:22 PM
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Subject: [GMCnet] ebay listing
> >
> >
> >
> > This is a kind of interesting coach on ebay.
> >
> > http://goo.gl/Ld8Ei
> >
> > The plate says Rollalong - I've seen that before and assume that was someone
> > who finished a Transmode.
> >
> > The maroon panels on the side appear to be vinyl. I saw a coach with vinyl
> > sides like that at St. Andrews State Park in Panama City Beach about a year
> > ago.
> >
> > Not really in the market, but thought this was interesting and it piqued my
> > curiosity.
> > --
> > Stick Miller
> > '78 Royale - she left me for another man
> > Americus, Georgia

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Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing [message #184703 is a reply to message #184700] Sun, 16 September 2012 10:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stick miller is currently offline  stick miller   United States
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Anybody have an idea about the vinyl panels on the outside? I've seen a coach in person with this "feature."

Seems like asking for trouble. Like vinyl wood on a Country Squire station wagon.


Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing [message #184708 is a reply to message #184703] Sun, 16 September 2012 10:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ebay listing

Sat, 15 September 2012 18:22

Stick Miller

This is a kind of interesting coach on ebay.

http://goo.gl/Ld8Ei

The plate says Rollalong - I've seen that before and assume that was someone who finished a Transmode.

The maroon panels on the side appear to be vinyl. I saw a coach with vinyl sides like that at St. Andrews State Park in Panama City Beach about a year ago.
>
>


Here is the link that shows the original sales brochure for the Roll A Long Santana.

This one looks like a very nice original, hope it is preserved by the new owner.



http://www.bdub.net/publications/rollalong/rollalong1.htm


Bill Bryant
PO 1976~PB (owned 34 years)
1914 Ford (owned 70 years)
1965 Corvette (owned 39 years)
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Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing [message #184711 is a reply to message #184708] Sun, 16 September 2012 11:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stick miller is currently offline  stick miller   United States
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Cool! Like a vinyl top!

Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing [message #184713 is a reply to message #184708] Sun, 16 September 2012 11:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
k2gkk is currently offline  k2gkk   United States
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I note that it had TWO holding tanks and a
LARGE fresh water capability!

I have never been a fan of vinyl roof coverings
on cars. Trying to make a sedan (or coupe) look
like a convertible always impressed me as grossly
phony and ridiculous. I feel the same with the
vinyl side panels, but the color scheme re-done
in paint when the vinyl expires would look pretty
neat to me.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~ ~ ~ ~ TZE166V101966 ~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ '76 ex-Palm Beach ~ ~ ~
~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: bryant374@earthlink.net
> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:50:40 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing
>
>
>
> ebay listing
>
> Sat, 15 September 2012 18:22
>
> Stick Miller
>
> This is a kind of interesting coach on ebay.
>
> http://goo.gl/Ld8Ei
>
> The plate says Rollalong - I've seen that before and assume that was someone who finished a Transmode.
>
> The maroon panels on the side appear to be vinyl. I saw a coach with vinyl sides like that at St. Andrews State Park in Panama City Beach about a year ago.
> >
> >
>
>
> Here is the link that shows the original sales brochure for the Roll A Long Santana.
>
> This one looks like a very nice original, hope it is preserved by the new owner.
>
>
>
> http://www.bdub.net/publications/rollalong/rollalong1.htm
> --
> Bill Bryant
> 1976~PB
> 1914 Ford
> 1965 Corvette
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Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing [message #184714 is a reply to message #184703] Sun, 16 September 2012 11:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GMC Cruse is currently offline  GMC Cruse   United States
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Stick Miller wrote on Sun, 16 September 2012 11:29

Anybody have an idea about the vinyl panels on the outside? I've seen a coach in person with this "feature."

Seems like asking for trouble. Like vinyl wood on a Country Squire station wagon.


Santana by Roll-a-long

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/gmc-mh-model-identification-by-interior/p5408-roll-a-long.html


Mike K. '75 PB Southeast Michigan
Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing [message #184717 is a reply to message #184713] Sun, 16 September 2012 11:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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k2gkk wrote on Sun, 16 September 2012 12:05



I have never been a fan of vinyl roof coverings
on cars. Trying to make a sedan (or coupe) look
like a convertible always impressed me as grossly
phony and ridiculous.



Mac - I agree with you for the most part. My mother who was what we call down south a "sport model" always had her Cadillacs modified to have one of those tops with the ribs showing. She had a '72 Eldorado convertible, but moved on to Sedan de Villes. I always said those cars looked like a starved cow. She had a continental kit on her last fire engine red caddy. I "passed" on keeping it when she died.

My '96 Fleetwood Brougham looks so much better with a vinyl top. No ribs showing. Ditto on white sidewall tires. It just doesn't look right with black tires.

So...it depends on the car. IMHO

I don't think I'd want the vinyl on the sides of the Rollalong, but I wouldn't ever change it - just because it is so cool.


Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing [message #184720 is a reply to message #184717] Sun, 16 September 2012 11:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gary Berry is currently offline  Gary Berry   United States
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I had a 78 Chevy van a long time ago that I had the vinyl siding put
on. It took the fellow about 2 hours to install. I didn't keep the van
very long before I traded it for an earlier one (66). It was good for
some sound deadening. My wife liked the look. I like the look on the
GMC...

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/fulsgld/1978ChevyVan.jpg

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Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing [message #184775 is a reply to message #184649] Sun, 16 September 2012 22:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This Roll-A-Long is new to the Registry and the only one, so far, that
was a 1976 build. There are about 17 listed and all are 26' 1975
models.

On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Len Novak <B52Rule@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> Right up the road from me.
>
> Len and Pat
> 1978 GMC Kingsley
> The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
> Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>
> www.bdub.net/novak/
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Stick Miller
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 3:22 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] ebay listing
>
>
>
> This is a kind of interesting coach on ebay.
>
> http://goo.gl/Ld8Ei
>
> The plate says Rollalong - I've seen that before and assume that was someone
> who finished a Transmode.
>
> The maroon panels on the side appear to be vinyl. I saw a coach with vinyl
> sides like that at St. Andrews State Park in Panama City Beach about a year
> ago.
>
> Not really in the market, but thought this was interesting and it piqued my
> curiosity.
> --
> Stick Miller
> '78 Royale - she left me for another man
> Americus, Georgia
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing [message #184785 is a reply to message #184775] Mon, 17 September 2012 07:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Note: Stock 26 footer had 6kw generators, 23 had 4 kw gensets. Compartment in 23 footer is too small for 6kw, without modification. Reading the list for a long time, 23 foot owners have done creative installs of different sets. Ken Henderson has done a creative install, Rick Denny has also done two, first one genset failed and manufacturer disavowed all knowledge. Maybe we should start a separate topic,if there is general interest.
Tom, MS II


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Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing [message #184794 is a reply to message #184700] Mon, 17 September 2012 09:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The 6KW Power Drawer won't fit the generator bay on a 23'.  I got both, the 26 has the power drawer, the 23 has/had a Junkerac.  It's a Norris Coach upfit though and the genset is a PO add.  There was at one time a 4KW Power Drawer with the little Onanengine and alternator fitted, I think some of these found their way into 23 footers.
 
--johnny
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'76 palm beach

From: D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing


Not absolutely sure, Mickey, but I think
that ONLY the 26 had the 6000 Watt Onan.

Lots of different external features than
"normal" 26 coaches and I think it's most
likely a Transmode finished out by that
RollAlong company.
 
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~ ~ ~ ~ TZE166V101966 ~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ '76 ex-Palm Beach ~ ~ ~
~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
______________
*[ ]~~~[][ ][|\
*--OO--[]---O-*


 
> From: mickeysss@me.com
> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 01:35:02 -0700
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] ebay listing
>
> is that a 23 footer" ?
>
> mickey
>
> anaheim ca.
>
> 77 palm beach.
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Len Novak wrote:
>
> > Right up the road from me.
> >
> > Len and Pat
> > 1978 GMC Kingsley
> > The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
> > Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
> > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
> >
> > www.bdub.net/novak/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> > [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Stick Miller
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 3:22 PM
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Subject: [GMCnet] ebay listing
> >
> >
> >
> > This is a kind of interesting coach on ebay.
> >
> > http://goo.gl/Ld8Ei
> >
> > The plate says Rollalong - I've seen that before and assume that was someone
> > who finished a Transmode.
> >
> > The maroon panels on the side appear to be vinyl. I saw a coach with vinyl
> > sides like that at St. Andrews State Park in Panama City Beach about a year
> > ago.
> >
> > Not really in the market, but thought this was interesting and it piqued my
> > curiosity.
> > --
> > Stick Miller
> > '78 Royale - she left me for another man
> > Americus, Georgia
                       
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[GMCnet] 23' gensets [message #184810 is a reply to message #184785] Mon, 17 September 2012 11:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I changed the subject.  My 23' has a Generac variable speed 3.6KW set.  If/when I out it back in the coach I'll take suome pictures.  It is small and liughtweight, and the install was neatly done.  Generac quickly ceased production on this model and went to an inverter style instead.  They' have now abdicated the RV market.  No great loss, except the 3.6 is a small package which is easy top fit.  Unfortunately, it suffers from some design flaws which are nearly fatal.  Essentially, the things are built to a price point rather than to last which is a shame.  As far as I know, it's the only vertical shaft set available which makes for a nice compact package.  I am cyurrently - as time permits since I don't dry camp - fixing the starter assembly, which was poorly designed and almost guaranteed to crack as mine has.  While I have the set out, I propose to make up for a couple of its shortcomings in design.  At least to the degree possible.
 
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
 

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Note:  Stock 26 footer had 6kw generators, 23 had 4 kw gensets.  Compartment in 23 footer is too small for 6kw, without modification. Reading the list for a long time, 23 foot owners have done creative installs of different sets.  Ken Henderson has done a creative install, Rick Denny has also done two, first one genset failed and manufacturer disavowed all knowledge.  Maybe we should start a separate topic,if there is general interest.
Tom, MS II
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Vicksburg, MS. 3.7 miles from I-20
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Re: [GMCnet] 23' gensets [message #184933 is a reply to message #184810] Tue, 18 September 2012 07:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Johnny Bridges <jhbridges@ymail.com> wrote:
> I changed the subject. My 23' has a Generac variable speed 3.6KW set. If/when I out it back in the coach I'll take suome pictures. It is small and liughtweight, and the install was neatly done. Generac quickly ceased production on this model and went to an inverter style instead. They' have now abdicated the RV market. No great loss, except the 3.6 is a small package which is easy top fit. Unfortunately, it suffers from some design flaws which are nearly fatal. Essentially, the things are built to a price point rather than to last which is a shame. As far as I know, it's the only vertical shaft set available which makes for a nice compact package. I am cyurrently - as time permits since I don't dry camp - fixing the starter assembly, which was poorly designed and almost guaranteed to crack as mine has. While I have the set out, I propose to make up for a couple of its shortcomings in design. At least to the degree possible.
>

The Generac Impact 36G came in two versions. The plain 36G is not an
inverter-style generator, or if it is the inverter is built into the
unit. The 36G-Plus uses a separate dedicated inverter.

Ken Henderson was the first to install one that I know of. His blew
out some components in the inverter, and he was not impressed by the
electronics in that unit when he opened it up, nor by the lack of
support from the dealer and manufacturer. He and I both bought ours
from Norwall, I think--an online source that was completely unhelpful
to either of us. Ken's 36G-Plus failed because of inverter components
after 50 or 60 hours as I recall. He replaced his with a Troy-bilt
backuip generator to which he added the necessary controls to make it
safe for RV use--definitely a job for someone like Ken.

I also bought an Impact 36G-Plus a little after Ken did (but before he
had his problems, of course). Mine blew the shaft speed sensor after
about 50 hours. I replaced that, which required opening up the top of
the unit and pulling the flywheel--which contains the generator
magnets. I also replaced the ignition module (as a much easier first
step). Since then, mine has been working well, but I'm always nervous
about it.

We both took measures to make sure that the top of the generator has
an abundant air supply, but I also determined that the air flow can be
blocked at the bottom, too. Care is needed for both cooling-air supply
AND exhaust. The installation instructions specify vent dimensions,
but in my view these are not adequate. In my case, exhaust air was
recirculating in the compartment and feeding back into intake air,
which meant it was just getting hotter. I finally baffled it to make
sure most of the exhaust air actually left the compartment.

One thing I think really helped mine was installing an automatic
transfer switch. That will not switch the power circuits to the
generator until it has been running for about 30 seconds, guaranteeing
that the generator will start under no load.

These generators are not to be confused with the Generac Quietpact
series, which have been popular and reliable as a low-cost alternative
to Onans and Hondas (of course, Hondas are no longer available). The
Impact models were intended to compete with the Onan Camp-Power
models, which ar price-point models that are not well-respected in
Onan's line.

The Quietpact 40G is nominally the same output as the Impact 36G-Plus,
but it is in the typical long and low configuration and is too long to
fit in a 23-foot GMC compartment without modification.

Rick "whose Generac now has a littl over 100 hours" Denney

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Northern Virginia
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Re: [GMCnet] 23' gensets [message #184990 is a reply to message #184933] Tue, 18 September 2012 13:21 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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From: Richard Denney <rwdenney@gmail.com>
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On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Johnny Bridges <jhbridges@ymail.com> wrote:
> I changed the subject.  My 23' has a Generac variable speed 3.6KW set.  If/when I out it back in the coach I'll take suome pictures.  It is small and liughtweight, and the install was neatly done.  Generac quickly ceased production on this model and went to an inverter style instead.  They' have now abdicated the RV market.  No great loss, except the 3.6 is a small package which is easy top fit.  Unfortunately, it suffers from some design flaws which are nearly fatal.  Essentially, the things are built to a price point rather than to last which is a shame.  As far as I know, it's the only vertical shaft set available which makes for a nice compact package.  I am cyurrently - as time permits since I don't dry camp - fixing the starter assembly, which was poorly designed and almost guaranteed to crack as mine has.  While I have the set out, I propose to make up for a couple of its shortcomings in design.  At least to the degree possible.
>

The Generac Impact 36G came in two versions. The plain 36G is not an
inverter-style generator, or if it is the inverter is built into the
unit. The 36G-Plus uses a separate dedicated inverter.
>

Mine is the original 36G.  I'll repeat this, I put it up in another thread a few months ago.  Ken's was - I believe - the inverter version.

Anyway, the original is a variable speed generator which through some rather ingenious switching will produce AC between 55Cycles and 65 cycles with an engine speed variation form 2200 to 3600 RPM.  The value of this is, you keep the surge capacity of the spinning weight just as you would in a fixed speed set.  This is what you lose in an inverter system and what requires you to size up the genset to start your air conditioner - or anything with a motor in which requires high starting current.

Now, Generac iterated this by putting multiple windings on the alternator and swithing them about using SCRs as the switching devices.  By doing this, they get a 'reasonable' sine wave - It's sinusoidal anyway = which will always fall betwee n 55 and 65 Hz regardless the load and engine speed.  It has the same surge capacity as the 40, because it's the spinning energy in the rotor which gives the capacity.  The set is actually developing 535Hz AC... and if you fail the SCRs that's what you get, exceopt it shuts itself down qyuickly to preclude further damage.  Generac only made this toy for about a year, then they realized their iteration of it wasn't very reliable.  Making it so would price it out of the market, so they seriesed the windings, stuck a rectifier pack in it and added an outboard inverter - hence the 36G Plus.  The nice part is, with multiple windings you can get sufficient flux with fixed magnets, thus no exciter windings or moving
contacts are necessary.  The not nice part is, short a couple of SCRs and you will burn a winding open, pretty much a death sentence for the little thing.

I like the compact vertical shaft design.  I like the light weight.  I've now said everything nice there is to say about the 36G.

--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
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