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Sat, 08 September 2012 23:55  |
Len Novak
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All,
To make it short, no dash lights, speedo and gauge lights, no side panel flood lights, no nothing. The short 4 amp fuse in the fuse block blew, replaced, and blew again. As far as I can tell there is no power to either side of that 4 amp fuse holder at this time.
I'm stumped on this one......
Cheers,
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Len and Pat
78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
Fallbrook, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] dash lights [message #183710 is a reply to message #183709] |
Sun, 09 September 2012 00:22  |
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Len,
I'm electrically challenged and can't help you other than to note you need to revise your signature! For the moment at least.
Doesn't it really bug you when you've got a real problem and some idiot makes a comment like the one above! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: b52rule@roadrunner.com
All,
To make it short, no dash lights, speedo and gauge lights, no side panel flood lights, no nothing. The short 4 amp fuse in the
fuse block blew, replaced, and blew again. As far as I can tell there is no power to either side of that 4 amp fuse holder at this
time.
I'm stumped on this one......
Cheers,
Len and Pat
78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
Fallbrook, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] dash lights [message #183712 is a reply to message #183709] |
Sun, 09 September 2012 00:55 |
habbyguy
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Len, you're just going to have to start tracing out wires. I'm a little puzzled over apparently not having voltage at either end of the fuse - I'm going to guess that you've got a meter problem (or have the key in the wrong position or something). There had to be voltage there to blow the fuse, and once the fuse is blown, there's no reason for the power TO the fuse to fail (since there's no load any longer).
I'd suggest clamping an ohmmeter on the non-supply side of the fuse holder. If it's a 4 amp fuse, you should read no more than about 3 or 4 ohms from there to ground(since that's the resistance that would result in a 4 amp draw). Start turning lights and "dash stuff" off until you see the resistance change dramatically, and you'll probably be able to narrow down the problem to a single circuit - look for the one that causes the resistance to drop below 3 ohms when you switch it on. If there really IS no power getting to the supply side of the fuse holder, just trace it back from the fusebox - our GMCs are really dead easy to trace out since the back of the dash is so easy to get to through the hood(s).
Good luck with your troubleshooting!
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: [GMCnet] dash lights [message #183714 is a reply to message #183709] |
Sun, 09 September 2012 01:48 |
JohnL455
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Be sure the dimmed feed that goes to the radio backlighting is wired correctly. Aftermarket radios vary on this feature and it could be sending the dimmer to ground. ( shorted).
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] dash lights [message #183716 is a reply to message #183709] |
Sun, 09 September 2012 02:07 |
emerystora
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Did you do any rewiring such as your radio?
There is a grey wire that people sometimes mistake as a ground wire. It runs from the headlight switch to the original radio light. It feeds from the dimmer switch when you rotate the headlight switch. This wire becomes hot when you turn on the lights and if you have anything grounded to it the 4 amp fuse will blow.
If you check this wire with the lights off it will appear to be a ground because it goes through the bulb filiment's to the ground.
Emery Stora
On Sep 8, 2012, at 10:55 PM, b52rule@roadrunner.com wrote:
> All,
>
> To make it short, no dash lights, speedo and gauge lights, no side panel flood lights, no nothing. The short 4 amp fuse in the fuse block blew, replaced, and blew again. As far as I can tell there is no power to either side of that 4 amp fuse holder at this time.
>
> I'm stumped on this one......
>
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Len and Pat
> 78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
> Fallbrook, CA
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> www.bdub.net/novak/
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| Re: [GMCnet] dash lights [message #183723 is a reply to message #183709] |
Sun, 09 September 2012 04:32 |
Mr ERFisher
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may be that this is the problem (go to Clearance Light Circuit)
http://gmcmotorhome.info/chassis.html#Rear
gene
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM, <b52rule@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> To make it short, no dash lights, speedo and gauge lights, no side panel
> flood lights, no nothing. The short 4 amp fuse in the fuse block blew,
> replaced, and blew again. As far as I can tell there is no power to
> either side of that 4 amp fuse holder at this time.
>
> I'm stumped on this one......
>
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Len and Pat
> 78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
> Fallbrook, CA
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
> www.bdub.net/novak/
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| Re: [GMCnet] dash lights [message #183732 is a reply to message #183709] |
Sun, 09 September 2012 08:21 |
Ken Burton
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I just looked at the wiring diagram. That 4 amp fuse feeds 6 things.
1. Radio
2. Heater Control panel light
3. Fiber optic power supply. You replaced this with your dash light mod.
4. Instrument cluster pin A Gray wire
5. Speedmeter cluster pin G gray wire
6. Optional Voltmeter - I have never seen one of these OEM
All of the above wires are gray.
You probably ought to start unplugging the above wires until the short goes away. I would start with the fiber optic light which is that new power supply you installed for your dash lights. I think my power supply quit as I have no dash lights. I have not got around to diagnosing it yet.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] dash lights [message #183746 is a reply to message #183709] |
Sun, 09 September 2012 09:31 |
k2gkk
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First make certain that there is no voltage on either
side of the 4 Amp fuse to ensure safety of your meter
in the next step!
Then try the resistance mode (Ohmeter) function of
your multimeter and measure the resistance (to chassis)
from each end of the fuse holder. Zero resistance will
tell you which side to start tracing to look for the short
circuit. If there are lamps in the circuit, you can expect
the resistance to be quite low, but the resistance should
NOT be zero.
Do you have a set of the "enlarged" wiring diagrams
that are available?
Of course, there is no telling what a P.O. may have done.
Good luck!
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> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 04:55:58 +0000
> From: b52rule@roadrunner.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] dash lights
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> All,
>
> To make it short, no dash lights, speedo and gauge lights, no side panel flood lights, no nothing. The short 4 amp fuse in the fuse block blew, replaced, and blew again. As far as I can tell there is no power to either side of that 4 amp fuse holder at this time.
>
> I'm stumped on this one......
>
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Len and Pat
> 78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
> Fallbrook, CA
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
> www.bdub.net/novak/
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| Re: [GMCnet] dash lights [message #183770 is a reply to message #183710] |
Sun, 09 September 2012 14:00 |
Len Novak
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NOPE!
With a 30+ year old coach anything can, and will happen!
Len and Pat
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob Mueller
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 10:23 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] dash lights
Len,
I'm electrically challenged and can't help you other than to note you need
to revise your signature! For the moment at least.
Doesn't it really bug you when you've got a real problem and some idiot
makes a comment like the one above! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: b52rule@roadrunner.com
All,
To make it short, no dash lights, speedo and gauge lights, no side panel
flood lights, no nothing. The short 4 amp fuse in the
fuse block blew, replaced, and blew again. As far as I can tell there is
no power to either side of that 4 amp fuse holder at this
time.
I'm stumped on this one......
Cheers,
Len and Pat
78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
Fallbrook, CA
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1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Las Vegas, NV new email: B52sRule@Gmail.com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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| Re: [GMCnet] dash lights [message #183771 is a reply to message #183712] |
Sun, 09 September 2012 14:02 |
Len Novak
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I'll wait till later this afternoon after it cools down a bit. Should be an
easy fix...............I hope.
Len and Pat
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 10:56 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] dash lights
Len, you're just going to have to start tracing out wires. I'm a little
puzzled over apparently not having voltage at either end of the fuse - I'm
going to guess that you've got a meter problem (or have the key in the wrong
position or something). There had to be voltage there to blow the fuse, and
once the fuse is blown, there's no reason for the power TO the fuse to fail
(since there's no load any longer).
I'd suggest clamping an ohmmeter on the non-supply side of the fuse holder.
If it's a 4 amp fuse, you should read no more than about 3 or 4 ohms from
there to ground(since that's the resistance that would result in a 4 amp
draw). Start turning lights and "dash stuff" off until you see the
resistance change dramatically, and you'll probably be able to narrow down
the problem to a single circuit - look for the one that causes the
resistance to drop below 3 ohms when you switch it on. If there really IS
no power getting to the supply side of the fuse holder, just trace it back
from the fusebox - our GMCs are really dead easy to trace out since the back
of the dash is so easy to get to through the hood(s).
Good luck with your troubleshooting!
--
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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Len and Pat Novak
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Las Vegas, NV new email: B52sRule@Gmail.com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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| Re: [GMCnet] dash lights [message #183777 is a reply to message #183709] |
Sun, 09 September 2012 14:40 |
zhagrieb
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The 4 amp panel light fuse is fed from the dimmer rheostat which is part of the headlight witch. (The wire from dimmer to fuse is dark green in color.) Connect your meter between ground and either side of the fuse holder. Turn the lights on and twist the dimmer. If you don't see 12V, move the meter to the other side of the fuse holder and twist the dimmer again. If that doesn't get volts to the fuse replace the headlight switch itself. It's only about $15.
Once you get power to the fuse you can start looking for a short between fuse and light(s).
Glenn
Glenn Giere, Portland OR, K7GAG
'73 "Moby the Motorhome" 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] dash lights [message #183791 is a reply to message #183790] |
Sun, 09 September 2012 17:30 |
Ken Henderson
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Instead of risking compounding the problem, why don't you use a trouble
light across the fuse? It's not prefect protection, but at least the bulb
will limit current draw to a couple of amps. And it won't burn out if you
have dead short.
Ken H.
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Dan Gregg wrote:
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> Hey, what I always do Len, double the size of the fuse and see if I smell
> smoke. :lol:
> ...
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| Re: [GMCnet] dash lights [message #183812 is a reply to message #183732] |
Mon, 10 September 2012 00:17 |
Len Novak
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I pulled the back of the dash off just before it started raining (I does
rain in SoCal)..what a mess. I think the short also took out the clearance
lights.
Let me know on the power supply.
Len and Pat
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Burton
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 6:22 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] dash lights
I just looked at the wiring diagram. That 4 amp fuse feeds 6 things.
1. Radio
2. Heater Control panel light
3. Fiber optic power supply. You replaced this with your dash light mod.
4. Instrument cluster pin A Gray wire
5. Speedmeter cluster pin G gray wire
6. Optional Voltmeter - I have never seen one of these OEM
All of the above wires are gray.
You probably ought to start unplugging the above wires until the short goes
away. I would start with the fiber optic light which is that new power
supply you installed for your dash lights. I think my power supply quit as
I have no dash lights. I have not got around to diagnosing it yet.
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Las Vegas, NV new email: B52sRule@Gmail.com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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| Re: [GMCnet] dash lights [message #183821 is a reply to message #183723] |
Mon, 10 September 2012 05:08 |
Mr ERFisher
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if you read this, the problem might not be behind the dash or in the
clearance lights
gene
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 2:32 AM, gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
> may be that this is the problem (go to Clearance Light Circuit)
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> http://gmcmotorhome.info/chassis.html#Rear
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> gene
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> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM, <b52rule@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> To make it short, no dash lights, speedo and gauge lights, no side panel
>> flood lights, no nothing. The short 4 amp fuse in the fuse block blew,
>> replaced, and blew again. As far as I can tell there is no power to
>> either side of that 4 amp fuse holder at this time.
>>
>> I'm stumped on this one......
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> Len and Pat
>> 78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
>> Fallbrook, CA
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>> www.bdub.net/novak/
>>
>>
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> Alternator Protection Cable
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| Re: [GMCnet] dash lights [message #183828 is a reply to message #183812] |
Mon, 10 September 2012 08:27 |
Ken Burton
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| Len Novak wrote on Mon, 10 September 2012 00:17 |
I pulled the back of the dash off just before it started raining (I does
rain in SoCal)..what a mess. I think the short also took out the clearance
lights.
Let me know on the power supply.
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It is going to be a while until I get time to look at it. I'm baby sitting my dog who took a turn for the worse. I'm feeding him baby food with a syringe every 3 hours because his stomach over reacted to a Chemo treatment last week. So I do not leave home for more than 2 hours at a time. The coach is at that airport. It could just be a wire fell off or something like that. All I know at this point is the fuse is good.
Ken
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] dash lights [message #183899 is a reply to message #183790] |
Mon, 10 September 2012 18:33 |
Len Novak
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Generally speaking if you let the smoke out of any electrical device it
quits working fast, real fast!
Len and Pat
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Gregg
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 3:22 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] dash lights
Hey, what I always do Len, double the size of the fuse and see if I smell
smoke. :lol:
These kind of problems can be a real headache. One of my air pumps kept
blowing the fuse. Yesterday I finally found a faulty ground, was loose. Took
me 2 days. I did not double the 30 amp fuse but I did jump the holder for a
second to see what happened.
So, don't take my advise. I am just telling you I hate these kind of
problems and I am supposed to understand dc circuits. :(
Let us know what you find.
Dan
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Las Vegas, NV new email: B52sRule@Gmail.com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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