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[GMCnet] Electronic Fuel Pump Chatter (Mark Kasiewicz) [message #183368] Thu, 06 September 2012 13:48 Go to next message
mmmm ka is currently offline  mmmm ka   United States
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Working on my GMC and I hear a chatter that I trace to a Napa electronic Fuel Pump mounted amidships on the driver's side frame. Engine is off. No key in ignition. It does turn off when I disconnect both batteries. I have never heard this noise before.


Is the some reason this should be coming on without the engine or generator running ?
Does anyone know what the purpose of this pump is ?

There are a lot of unmarked switches installed by the PO on the dash. Would there be a reason to have a aux pump activated by a switch on the dash ?


Thanks for any ideas !


Mark Kasiewicz and Dawn Koepp
77 Kingsley (Orange shag carpet and all)
Gus da Bus
Eau Claire, WI
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Re: [GMCnet] Electronic Fuel Pump Chatter (Mark Kasiewicz) [message #183369 is a reply to message #183368] Thu, 06 September 2012 13:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Robin Hood is currently offline  Robin Hood   United States
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One of those "prime the Onan" pumps?

On 9/6/12, mmmm ka <mmmm_ka@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Working on my GMC and I hear a chatter that I trace to a Napa electronic
> Fuel Pump mounted amidships on the driver's side frame. Engine is off. No
> key in ignition. It does turn off when I disconnect both batteries. I have
> never heard this noise before.
>
>
> Is the some reason this should be coming on without the engine or generator
> running ?
> Does anyone know what the purpose of this pump is ?
>
> There are a lot of unmarked switches installed by the PO on the dash. Would
> there be a reason to have a aux pump activated by a switch on the dash ?
>
>
> Thanks for any ideas !
>
>
> Mark Kasiewicz and Dawn Koepp
> 77 Kingsley (Orange shag carpet and all)
> Gus da Bus
> Eau Claire, WI
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Re: [GMCnet] Electronic Fuel Pump Chatter (Mark Kasiewicz) [message #183370 is a reply to message #183368] Thu, 06 September 2012 13:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GeorgeRud is currently offline  GeorgeRud   United States
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Many folks have mounted an electric fuel pump by the tanks to try to avoid vapor lock from the front mounted mechanical pump with today's ethanol laced fuels.

It probably is switched from one of the dash switches, and you will probably have to do a bit of detective work to find what is powering the pump. Some folks would turn them on if they sensed that vapor lock was imminent, others use the pump all the time. You might want to check if the original mechanical pump is in place on the lower right hand right side of the engine.

Either way, the pump shouldn't be running when the coach is not!


George Rudawsky
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Re: [GMCnet] Electronic Fuel Pump Chatter (Mark Kasiewicz) [message #183371 is a reply to message #183368] Thu, 06 September 2012 13:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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Tank selector sw?
Some hook electric pump to aux tank

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On Sep 6, 2012, at 11:48 AM, mmmm ka <mmmm_ka@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Working on my GMC and I hear a chatter that I trace to a Napa electronic Fuel Pump mounted amidships on the driver's side frame. Engine is off. No key in ignition. It does turn off when I disconnect both batteries. I have never heard this noise before.
>
>
> Is the some reason this should be coming on without the engine or generator running ?
> Does anyone know what the purpose of this pump is ?
>
> There are a lot of unmarked switches installed by the PO on the dash. Would there be a reason to have a aux pump activated by a switch on the dash ?
>
>
> Thanks for any ideas !
>
>
> Mark Kasiewicz and Dawn Koepp
> 77 Kingsley (Orange shag carpet and all)
> Gus da Bus
> Eau Claire, WI
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Re: [GMCnet] Electronic Fuel Pump Chatter (Mark Kasiewicz) [message #183374 is a reply to message #183368] Thu, 06 September 2012 14:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm with George on this one - my coach was wired that way by the PO. There's a switch on the lower dash to turn on the supplemental fuel pump (to eliminate vapor lock), as well as to turn on the supplemental vacuum pump. I'd suggest just flipping switches until the noise stops. I'd also suggest making CERTAIN you've turned it off (the thought of what happens if a fuel line ruptures when the coach is unattended, with the fuel pump running full-time is too horrible to think about). Shocked

Mark Hickey Mesa, AZ 1978 Royale Center Kitchen
Re: [GMCnet] Electronic Fuel Pump Chatter (Mark Kasiewicz) [message #183388 is a reply to message #183368] Thu, 06 September 2012 15:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mmmm ka is currently offline  mmmm ka   United States
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Thanks for the ideas. I did find an unmarked switch activated that turns this pump on and off. Not sure how to tell when to use it. Must have been installed for some reason. I am thinking the vapor lock issue or to send fuel to the generator (which I have yet to get started)  are the most likely prospects. I'll have to trace the lines once I get everything else put back together. For now a label on the switch will be one less thing to wonder about (* scratches head* and opens a cold one)


Learning something new everyday  ! Wish me luck & Thanks !

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Re: [GMCnet] Electronic Fuel Pump Chatter (Mark Kasiewicz) [message #183394 is a reply to message #183388] Thu, 06 September 2012 16:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mark, you could do what the PO did in my coach - hook up the supplemental fuel pump with a lighted toggle switch (as well as labeling it on the dash). I like that since it makes it obvious if you forget and leave it on.

I won't have to worry about that after I get my TBI fuel injection system installed though...


Mark Hickey Mesa, AZ 1978 Royale Center Kitchen
Re: [GMCnet] Electronic Fuel Pump Chatter (Mark Kasiewicz) [message #183395 is a reply to message #183388] Thu, 06 September 2012 16:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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P.P.O. installed an electric fuel pump in the fuel line, before going to the engine mounted fuel pump, then the carb. I believe that he installed it for; 1. to help with vapor lock, since the coach came out of Central Texas, and 2. To re-fill the carb bowl when the coach has been sitting and heat has emptied the carb bowl.
I use it to prime the carb, by turning it on a few seconds before starting the engine. I also turn it on if the engine is stumbling, as in approaching a vapor lock situation. This has helped many times over this hot summer. It is approaching 100 degree F. outside today. Hot and muggy.
Tom, MS II


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Re: [GMCnet] Electronic Fuel Pump Chatter (Mark Kasiewicz) [message #183411 is a reply to message #183394] Thu, 06 September 2012 18:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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or remove the mechanical pump and just use an electric (in the tank - or
outside the tank)
and
run them all the time
then you will be ready for your tbi when you get there.

tank-electric volume pump - accumulator/filter - injection pressure pump-
TBI

JWID
gene


On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Mark <mark@habcycles.com> wrote:

>
>
> Mark, you could do what the PO did in my coach - hook up the supplemental
> fuel pump with a lighted toggle switch (as well as labeling it on the
> dash). I like that since it makes it obvious if you forget and leave it on.
>
> I won't have to worry about that after I get my TBI fuel injection system
> installed though...
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> Mesa, AZ
> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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Re: [GMCnet] Electronic Fuel Pump Chatter (Mark Kasiewicz) [message #183534 is a reply to message #183411] Fri, 07 September 2012 11:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hal kading is currently offline  hal kading   United States
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Mark,

The electric fuel pump should be rewired so it is not on unless the ignition switch (key) is on. Some wire the electric pump to the alternator post on the battery isolator, others wire it through an oil pressure switch, so it stops in the event of an accident.

Hal Kading 78 Buskirk Las Cruces NM
Re: [GMCnet] Electronic Fuel Pump Chatter (Mark Kasiewicz) [message #183592 is a reply to message #183534] Fri, 07 September 2012 21:41 Go to previous message
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Hal Kading wrote on Fri, 07 September 2012 12:41

Mark,

The electric fuel pump should be rewired so it is not on unless the ignition switch (key) is on. Some wire the electric pump to the alternator post on the battery isolator, others wire it through an oil pressure switch, so it stops in the event of an accident.

Hal Kading 78 Buskirk Las Cruces NM



Mark,

I use a relay on my coach that is activated by the ignition being turned on. Wire the relay from any power source and the other side of the relay going to the fuel pump and then to ground. I used a #10 wire going from the relay to the fuel to reduce resistance. I don't wire the power source that goes to the fuel pump using the ignition. I don't like to take a chance on overloading the ignition.


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