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Tue, 14 August 2012 17:38  |
A Hamilto
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Every time I try to describe what I want, I write an essay and still wonder if it is clear to everyone. So I posted on the photo site what I have, and where I want to end up. It can sleep 3, but need to be able to sleep 4 (although GMC calls the front dinette a "double" bed, it is actually not even as wide as a single bed).
What I have:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/interior-aspirations/p45171-floor-plan-existing.html
What (I think) I want:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/interior-aspirations/p45172-floor-plan-proposed.html
I would prefer to get a complete rear dinette from an early model and just perform a transplant to the rear of mine.
If I could get a sofa/bed or gaucho/double bed from an early model, maybe I could just perform a transplant of that to the area behind my driver's seat.
As a fallback, I think I could move my existing front dinette table to the rear (and do some stuff to make it 53" wide in bed form). No matter what, I WILL NEED 53 - 54" WIDE DINETTE CUSHIONS if anybody has some they want to get rid of.
I could also (probably) move my existing gaucho/double bed from the rear to behind the driver's seat. But that will require lots of fabrication of slides and brackets. And I don't have cushions at all, so still need them.
IF ANYBODY HAS A REAR DINETTE, OR JUST THE CUSHIONS FROM ONE, AND/OR A FRONT SOFA/BED, AND/OR GAUCHO/DOUBLE BED CUSHIONS THEY ARE LOOKING TO PART WITH, MAYBE WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #180275 is a reply to message #180270] |
Tue, 14 August 2012 18:10  |
sgltrac
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If they have any left, buy a left bunk/couch from Alex serum gmc. Bought one for the Pig and now have sleeping for two instead of one up front. The roof spars are pre notched for bunks left and right in the front( in the ceiling to hold the top level up). Can actually sleep an adult top and bottom with the oe bunk
Sully
77 royale
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On Aug 14, 2012, at 3:38 PM, A. <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:
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> Every time I try to describe what I want, I write an essay and still wonder if it is clear to everyone. So I posted on the photo site what I have, and where I want to end up. It can sleep 3, but need to be able to sleep 4 (although GMC calls the front dinette a "double" bed, it is actually not even as wide as a single bed).
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> What I have:
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/interior-aspirations/p45171-floor-plan-existing.html
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> What (I think) I want:
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/interior-aspirations/p45172-floor-plan-proposed.html
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> I would prefer to get a complete rear dinette from an early model and just perform a transplant to the rear of mine.
> If I could get a sofa/bed or gaucho/double bed from an early model, maybe I could just perform a transplant of that to the area behind my driver's seat.
> As a fallback, I think I could move my existing front dinette table to the rear (and do some stuff to make it 53" wide in bed form). No matter what, I WILL NEED 53 - 54" WIDE DINETTE CUSHIONS if anybody has some they want to get rid of.
> I could also (probably) move my existing gaucho/double bed from the rear to behind the driver's seat. But that will require lots of fabrication of slides and brackets. And I don't have cushions at all, so still need them.
> IF ANYBODY HAS A REAR DINETTE, OR JUST THE CUSHIONS FROM ONE, AND/OR A FRONT SOFA/BED, AND/OR GAUCHO/DOUBLE BED CUSHIONS THEY ARE LOOKING TO PART WITH, MAYBE WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #180283 is a reply to message #180281] |
Tue, 14 August 2012 19:25 |
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Matt Colie
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| ahamilto wrote on Tue, 14 August 2012 20:07 |
I have a mental block about the OE top bunk. I just refuse to believe that a 275 pound adult, tossing and turning, wouldn't tear the anchor point out of the aluminum roof and/or bend the roof. The connection point isn't far from the roof AC either. No way GMC engineered the roof to support that much weight.
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Well,
You may have just read about my adventures on the roof trying to get the A/C to stop peeing on the table.....
I've lost some weight, but I am still real close to (over) 275, and though I can feel some flex, there was no problem for me standing on the roof in just one place.
If you are worried about the upper anchors, just add more metal, but not too many rivets, they make things weaker.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #180286 is a reply to message #180283] |
Tue, 14 August 2012 19:52 |
sgltrac
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If you r 275 take the seat portion of the bunk. At least that's what I would do ;)
Sully
77 royale
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On Aug 14, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
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> ahamilto wrote on Tue, 14 August 2012 20:07
>> I have a mental block about the OE top bunk. I just refuse to believe that a 275 pound adult, tossing and turning, wouldn't tear the anchor point out of the aluminum roof and/or bend the roof. The connection point isn't far from the roof AC either. No way GMC engineered the roof to support that much weight.
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> Well,
> You may have just read about my adventures on the roof trying to get the A/C to stop peeing on the table.....
> I've lost some weight, but I am still real close to (over) 275, and though I can feel some flex, there was no problem for me standing on the roof in just one place.
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> If you are worried about the upper anchors, just add more metal, but not too many rivets, they make things weaker.
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> Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #180288 is a reply to message #180283] |
Tue, 14 August 2012 20:09 |
A Hamilto
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| Matt Colie wrote on Tue, 14 August 2012 19:25 |
Well,
You may have just read about my adventures on the roof trying to get the A/C to stop peeing on the table.....
I've lost some weight, but I am still real close to (over) 275, and though I can feel some flex, there was no problem for me standing on the roof in just one place.
If you are worried about the upper anchors, just add more metal, but not too many rivets, they make things weaker.
Matt
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After I climbed on the roof to measure the holes in the fridge vent (to replace the cover that had been missing for ? years, rotten floor and cabinets underneath, another story) it dawned on me to check the MM (or OM, don't remember where I found it) for the "limit". It said there shouldn't be anyone on the ladder weighing more than 250 pounds. Same limit for the roof pod (which had been removed). Since I didn't fall through, we know it can hold 275 on top for short periods of time.
If I do decide to put a couch/bunk behind the driver's seat, I will do it different from the OEM version. I would build it so the end-to-end split part would be on the bottom (and supported) when serving as a bed. And the top bunk would be supported from the floor and not the ceiling. It would complicate the effort to switch from one to the other, but it would be more comfortable, I would be confident that nothing is going to collapse, no one will get hurt, and I won't have to effect roof repairs due to the top bunk being overloaded.
I am smart enough to modify the OEM davo/bunk to work like that. But I am still looking for an easier path.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #180305 is a reply to message #180286] |
Tue, 14 August 2012 22:41 |
A Hamilto
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| sgltrac wrote on Tue, 14 August 2012 19:52 |
If you r 275 take the seat portion of the bunk. At least that's what I would do 
Sully
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I have two teenage boys, both are getting close to my size. The smallest is well over 200 pounds. At the rate I am getting things done on the GMC, they will both be my size or bigger by the time we set sail the first time.
The chief mechanic and the CFO will be in the rear bed, the front will be where the boys will sleep. There are no "smaller" passengers on this bus.
On an unrelated matter, on a 23 footer, why are all the heavy things on the driver's side? Fridge, generator, most of the storage, passenger seating, driver...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #180312 is a reply to message #180288] |
Tue, 14 August 2012 23:50 |
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The ladder and roof will hold somewhat more than 275 lbs…
Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont, CA
On Aug 14, 2012, at 6:09 PM, A. <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:
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> Matt Colie wrote on Tue, 14 August 2012 19:25
>> Well,
>> You may have just read about my adventures on the roof trying to get the A/C to stop peeing on the table.....
>> I've lost some weight, but I am still real close to (over) 275, and though I can feel some flex, there was no problem for me standing on the roof in just one place.
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>> If you are worried about the upper anchors, just add more metal, but not too many rivets, they make things weaker.
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>> Matt
> After I climbed on the roof to measure the holes in the fridge vent (to replace the cover that had been missing for ? years, rotten floor and cabinets underneath, another story) it dawned on me to check the MM (or OM, don't remember where I found it) for the "limit". It said there shouldn't be anyone on the ladder weighing more than 250 pounds. Same limit for the roof pod (which had been removed). Since I didn't fall through, we know it can hold 275 on top for short periods of time.
> If I do decide to put a couch/bunk behind the driver's seat, I will do it different from the OEM version. I would build it so the end-to-end split part would be on the bottom (and supported) when serving as a bed. And the top bunk would be supported from the floor and not the ceiling. It would complicate the effort to switch from one to the other, but it would be more comfortable, I would be confident that nothing is going to collapse, no one will get hurt, and I won't have to effect roof repairs due to the top bunk being overloaded.
> I am smart enough to modify the OEM davo/bunk to work like that. But I am still looking for an easier path.
> --
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| Re: Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #180315 is a reply to message #180270] |
Wed, 15 August 2012 00:00 |
Chr$
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I'd keep it the same. I like that floorplan. If you change it, you basically move your dinette to the back, and then have to setup your bed every night. my 2 cents.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #180334 is a reply to message #180305] |
Wed, 15 August 2012 06:57 |
jhbridges
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My 23 footer has the freshwater tank, fridge, and propane tank on the pax side, genset and stove on the driver's side. Ever thing else is pretty much centered.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
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Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want
sgltrac wrote on Tue, 14 August 2012 19:52
> If you r 275 take the seat portion of the bunk. At least that's what I would do ;)
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> Sully
> 77 royale
I have two teenage boys, both are getting close to my size. The smallest is well over 200 pounds. At the rate I am getting things done on the GMC, they will both be my size or bigger by the time we set sail the first time.
The chief mechanic and the CFO will be in the rear bed, the front will be where the boys will sleep. There are no "smaller" passengers on this bus.
On an unrelated matter, on a 23 footer, why are all the heavy things on the driver's side? Fridge, generator, most of the storage, passenger seating, driver...
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UA (Upper Alabama)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #180345 is a reply to message #180334] |
Wed, 15 August 2012 09:52 |
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Make a plan that you and the DW will want to live with for years to come. Trust me, "teenage boys going on trips in a motorhome with their parents" has a very limited shelf life. Quicker than you think they'll be wanting to use the coach for "other" purposes which you will then spend the next 10 years trying to prevent, and you'll wind up with a floorplan you might not like.
Fix it for comfortable travel for 2. Make it easy to set up and take down when it's bedtime. (I, for instance, am not interested in crawling over anyone to go to the bathroom or to make up the bed the next morning)If those boys are like mine were, they can sleep on a rock. JMO
Stick Miller
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'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #180361 is a reply to message #180345] |
Wed, 15 August 2012 11:21 |
A Hamilto
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| Stick Miller wrote on Wed, 15 August 2012 09:52 |
Make a plan that you and the DW will want to live with for years to come. Trust me, "teenage boys going on trips in a motorhome with their parents" has a very limited shelf life. Quicker than you think they'll be wanting to use the coach for "other" purposes which you will then spend the next 10 years trying to prevent, and you'll wind up with a floorplan you might not like.
Fix it for comfortable travel for 2. Make it easy to set up and take down when it's bedtime. (I, for instance, am not interested in crawling over anyone to go to the bathroom or to make up the bed the next morning)If those boys are like mine were, they can sleep on a rock. JMO
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If there are only two of us, we won't use a dinette anyway, so a rear dinette can stay made up as a bed. And as far as crawling over someone: I enjoy crawling over her (even if not to get to the bathroom), and if (when) she gets tired of it, I can sleep on the couch/bed in the front.
If climbing over someone is an issue, the dinette will always have to be converted back and forth daily/nightly if more than one person is sleeping in the motorhome. It would be avoidable only with the layout depicted with the sofa/bed behind the driver's seat. Check it out if you don't believe me.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #180363 is a reply to message #180361] |
Wed, 15 August 2012 11:31 |
A Hamilto
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| ahamilto wrote on Wed, 15 August 2012 11:21 |
| Stick Miller wrote on Wed, 15 August 2012 09:52 |
Make a plan that you and the DW will want to live with for years to come. Trust me, "teenage boys going on trips in a motorhome with their parents" has a very limited shelf life. Quicker than you think they'll be wanting to use the coach for "other" purposes which you will then spend the next 10 years trying to prevent, and you'll wind up with a floorplan you might not like.
Fix it for comfortable travel for 2. Make it easy to set up and take down when it's bedtime. (I, for instance, am not interested in crawling over anyone to go to the bathroom or to make up the bed the next morning)If those boys are like mine were, they can sleep on a rock. JMO
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If there are only two of us, we won't use a dinette anyway, so a rear dinette can stay made up as a bed. And as far as crawling over someone: I enjoy crawling over her (even if not to get to the bathroom), and if (when) she gets tired of it, I can sleep on the couch/bed in the front.
If climbing over someone is an issue, the dinette will always have to be converted back and forth daily/nightly if more than one person is sleeping in the motorhome. It would be avoidable only with the layout depicted with the sofa/bed behind the driver's seat. Check it out if you don't believe me.
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I worded that wrong. If the dinette is going to stay in bed form, we will be more comfortable if it is in the rear and we have a couch that we can use up front. I may end up on that couch at night, either as a bed or left as a couch. So the couch/bed behind the driver's seat would be the more comfortable layout for two.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finally Posted Drawings Of What I Have And What I Want [message #181502 is a reply to message #180288] |
Thu, 23 August 2012 20:49 |
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If you have a ladder installed like the one on my 77 royale I would not be comfortable with a weight Over 175lbs. Vertical hold should be fine over that but if you were to lose your balance or try to load or unload something heavy from the roof pod and pull straight out on the ladder the screws could pull right out of the smc. All of my screws holding the ladder to the body were sheet metal screws inserted into the thin smc panel. Bad design to say the least. If you plan on using your ladder a lot I would(did) install a square of polycarbonate as a backer inside the rear panel at the ladder anchor points. Very strong and will prevent damaging the rear panel or falling on your head.
Jwid
Sully
77 royale
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On Aug 14, 2012, at 6:09 PM, A. <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:
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> Matt Colie wrote on Tue, 14 August 2012 19:25
>> Well,
>> You may have just read about my adventures on the roof trying to get the A/C to stop peeing on the table.....
>> I've lost some weight, but I am still real close to (over) 275, and though I can feel some flex, there was no problem for me standing on the roof in just one place.
>>
>> If you are worried about the upper anchors, just add more metal, but not too many rivets, they make things weaker.
>>
>> Matt
> After I climbed on the roof to measure the holes in the fridge vent (to replace the cover that had been missing for ? years, rotten floor and cabinets underneath, another story) it dawned on me to check the MM (or OM, don't remember where I found it) for the "limit". It said there shouldn't be anyone on the ladder weighing more than 250 pounds. Same limit for the roof pod (which had been removed). Since I didn't fall through, we know it can hold 275 on top for short periods of time.
> If I do decide to put a couch/bunk behind the driver's seat, I will do it different from the OEM version. I would build it so the end-to-end split part would be on the bottom (and supported) when serving as a bed. And the top bunk would be supported from the floor and not the ceiling. It would complicate the effort to switch from one to the other, but it would be more comfortable, I would be confident that nothing is going to collapse, no one will get hurt, and I won't have to effect roof repairs due to the top bunk being overloaded.
> I am smart enough to modify the OEM davo/bunk to work like that. But I am still looking for an easier path.
> --
> '73 23' CanyonLands
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Seattle, Wa.
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