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| [GMCnet] GMCs, Mountains, Fuel Injection, Electric Blowers, Gears [message #180085] |
Sun, 12 August 2012 23:07  |
Gerald Work
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Two more things....
We use our Onan a lot. I would not want to guess how many hours it has run on this trip alone. It has been very hot and we dry camp much of the time. Four six volt batteries and a 2300 watt inverter make that easy to do. Go to the GMC page on my web site to see how ours is set up. The presentation is called, "Living large in your GMC".
As one example of how we use our Onan, while in Kelowna we loaded 12 people on board and went wine tasting. The Onan and roof air ran continuously for about four hours as we toured around to keep everyone cool. The rear lounge design of our coach (a 78 only Royale floor plan) makes it easy to transport lots of folks in comfort.
My suggestion is to follow D. Simmons instructions to get your gen set working properly and use it often to keep it working properly. It really makes a big difference if you use your coach as much as we use this one. In hot weather, it and the roof air run every time we make a stop at a store or farmers market plus whenever we stop to fix lunch. Really nice to have an already cool coach for the next leg of our trip. Based both on our experience full timing in a rolling condo and our ten years with this GMC I am convinced most gen set issues are because they are used so infrequently. One good piece of advice we received early in our full timing days was the best way to make sure the gen will work when you need it is to run it today whether you need it or not. Certainly has worked well for us.
Second, we do not have fender liners on our coach. I took them out ten years ago and the coach runs much cooler as a result. All the fears some originally expressed about getting the engine all dirty or drowning the distributor or the air intake have proved to be non issues. Our engine stays nice and clean and we have driven in some really hard rains - we do live in southern Oregon after all - grin!
Jerry
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCs, Mountains, Fuel Injection, Electric Blowers, Gears [message #180113 is a reply to message #180085] |
Mon, 13 August 2012 14:55  |
Ken Burton
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I also have been running without fender liners for several years. I took mine off to do something and just never seemed to get around to reinstalling them again. There is always something else I want to do while they are off. I have driven may thousands of mine with them off and in very heavy rain with no negatives because they are gone. I'll probably never reinstall them.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCs, Mountains, Fuel Injection, Electric Blowers, Gears [message #180121 is a reply to message #180113] |
Mon, 13 August 2012 16:05 |
Ken Henderson
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Y'All do know, I suppose, that there is a "best of both worlds" solution to
wheel well liners?
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3609-2-piece-wheel-well-liner.html
or
http://goo.gl/k3U3q
I originally split them longitudinally because my fender flares made it
very difficult to remove entire liners. The unanticipated benefit is that
there's still protection for the cockpit floor, from both thrown up
moisture and debris. when the inner half is removed for engine access.
That probably makes the cockpit a little quieter and preserves the
fiberglass insulation I have under there.
The inner halves are more and more frequently left out. If I'd known that
was going to happen, I'd have made the split more like 1/3 removable
instead of 1/2 removable.
For someone intending to leave the inner portions of the liners out, the
parting strip, with captive nuts, like I used would not be necessary, but I
think it would still be beneficial to reinforce that free edge with an
aluminum cap of some sort.
Ken H.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Ken Burton wrote:
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> I also have been running without fender liners for several years. I took
> mine off to do something and just never seemed to get around to
> reinstalling them again. There is always something else I want to do while
> they are off. I have driven may thousands of mine with them off and in
> very heavy rain with no negatives because they are gone. I'll probably
> never reinstall them.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCs, Mountains, Fuel Injection, Electric Blowers, Gears [message #180124 is a reply to message #180121] |
Mon, 13 August 2012 16:23 |
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Ken,
Looking at your photos of the split fender liner I saw the threaded inserts. Walking through Harbor Freight the other day I saw, and almost bought, a threaded insert tool for something like $17. I think this would be a very handy tool to have around.
Here - they have it on the website
<http://www.harborfreight.com/hand-tools/hand-riveters/45-piece-threaded-insert-riveter-kit-1210.html>
Larry Davick
Fremont, California
A Mystery Machine
'76 (ish) Palm Beach
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From: "Ken Henderson" <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 2:05:57 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCs, Mountains, Fuel Injection, Electric Blowers, Gears
Y'All do know, I suppose, that there is a "best of both worlds" solution to
wheel well liners?
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3609-2-piece-wheel-well-liner.html
or
http://goo.gl/k3U3q
I originally split them longitudinally because my fender flares made it
very difficult to remove entire liners. The unanticipated benefit is that
there's still protection for the cockpit floor, from both thrown up
moisture and debris. when the inner half is removed for engine access.
That probably makes the cockpit a little quieter and preserves the
fiberglass insulation I have under there.
The inner halves are more and more frequently left out. If I'd known that
was going to happen, I'd have made the split more like 1/3 removable
instead of 1/2 removable.
For someone intending to leave the inner portions of the liners out, the
parting strip, with captive nuts, like I used would not be necessary, but I
think it would still be beneficial to reinforce that free edge with an
aluminum cap of some sort.
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCs, Mountains, Fuel Injection, Electric Blowers, Gears [message #180127 is a reply to message #180085] |
Mon, 13 August 2012 16:34 |
Gerald Wheeler
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I took my fender wells and cut the inner sides off; I wanted the upper
portion of the fender wells to keep road tar,mud and other sh*t from caking
on the rear of the head lights or batteries or gas separator.
JR Wheeler NC/OR
> [Original Message]
> From: Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Date: 8/13/2012 12:55:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCs, Mountains, Fuel Injection, Electric
Blowers,Gears
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> I also have been running without fender liners for several years. I took
mine off to do something and just never seemed to get around to
reinstalling them again. There is always something else I want to do while
they are off. I have driven may thousands of mine with them off and in
very heavy rain with no negatives because they are gone. I'll probably
never reinstall them.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCs, Mountains, Fuel Injection, Electric Blowers, Gears [message #180137 is a reply to message #180085] |
Mon, 13 August 2012 18:15 |
Gerald Wheeler
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Carl,
I'm embarrassed to say I haven't had my coach on the road since I did the
modification earlier this year, so cannot comment on what I might have done
differently.
JR Wheeler NC/OR
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> From: noi <v76_Birchaven@yahoo.com>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Date: 8/13/2012 3:50:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCs, Mountains, Fuel Injection, Electric
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> Gerald Wheeler wrote on Mon, 13 August 2012 14:34
> > I took my fender wells and cut the inner sides off; I wanted the upper
portion of the fender wells to keep road tar,mud and other sh*t from caking
on the rear of the head lights or batteries or gas separator. JR Wheeler
NC/OR
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> Gerald - That's exactly what I was thinking to do and for the exact same
reason :) - Any suggestions/thoughts as to what you might have done
"differently" the next time? - Thanks!
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> Carl P.
> 76 Birchaven
> South of Fremont
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCs, Mountains, Fuel Injection, Electric Blowers, Gears [message #180168 is a reply to message #180136] |
Tue, 14 August 2012 00:07 |
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what about putting a motor cycle fender on top of the front wheels that move with the tire is there enough room. attached to the brake caliper maybe,
i know bad idea but maybe it would work.
mickey
77 palm beach.
anaheim
jailhouse
On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:50 PM, noi wrote:
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> Gerald Wheeler wrote on Mon, 13 August 2012 14:34
>> I took my fender wells and cut the inner sides off; I wanted the upper portion of the fender wells to keep road tar,mud and other sh*t from caking on the rear of the head lights or batteries or gas separator. JR Wheeler NC/OR
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> Gerald - That's exactly what I was thinking to do and for the exact same reason :) - Any suggestions/thoughts as to what you might have done "differently" the next time? - Thanks!
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> Carl P.
> 76 Birchaven
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCs, Mountains, Fuel Injection, Electric Blowers, Gears [message #180197 is a reply to message #180085] |
Tue, 14 August 2012 10:01 |
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Jerry,
Amen to what you've noted about the Onan. Before ours died this year we followed your suggestions and would fire it up when we
stopped to go shopping, have lunch, etc. By doing so it made the drive much more comfortable as the dash air (with secondary
evaporator) did not have to pull down a hot coach.
I'm waiting for a new fuel pump (company I ordered it from sent me a FEP06SV instead of a FEP60SV) and once I get that I'll figger
out what's going on with it. I'll probably be at Emery & Michelle's and I'll bet it won't take him very long to figger out what's
wrong with it with his knowledge base!
As you know Double Trouble sits in storage for eight months a year and I find that when I first wake her up she is a bit stroppy.
Things begin to smoothen out after a few hundred miles.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Work
Two more things....
We use our Onan a lot. I would not want to guess how many hours it has run on this trip alone. It has been very hot and we dry
camp much of the time. Four six volt batteries and a 2300 watt inverter make that easy to do. Go to the GMC page on my web site
to see how ours is set up. The presentation is called, "Living large in your GMC".
As one example of how we use our Onan, while in Kelowna we loaded 12 people on board and went wine tasting. The Onan and roof air
ran continuously for about four hours as we toured around to keep everyone cool. The rear lounge design of our coach (a 78 only
Royale floor plan) makes it easy to transport lots of folks in comfort.
My suggestion is to follow D. Simmons instructions to get your gen set working properly and use it often to keep it working
properly. It really makes a big difference if you use your coach as much as we use this one. In hot weather, it and the roof air
run every time we make a stop at a store or farmers market plus whenever we stop to fix lunch. Really nice to have an already cool
coach for the next leg of our trip. Based both on our experience full timing in a rolling condo and our ten years with this GMC I
am convinced most gen set issues are because they are used so infrequently. One good piece of advice we received early in our full
timing days was the best way to make sure the gen will work when you need it is to run it today whether you need it or not.
Certainly has worked well for us.
Second, we do not have fender liners on our coach. I took them out ten years ago and the coach runs much cooler as a result. All
the fears some originally expressed about getting the engine all dirty or drowning the distributor or the air intake have proved to
be non issues. Our engine stays nice and clean and we have driven in some really hard rains - we do live in southern Oregon after
all - grin!
Jerry
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCs, Mountains, Fuel Injection, Electric Blowers, Gears [message #180201 is a reply to message #180124] |
Tue, 14 August 2012 10:37 |
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| ljdavick wrote on Mon, 13 August 2012 16:23 |
Ken,
Looking at your photos of the split fender liner I saw the threaded inserts. Walking through Harbor Freight the other day I saw, and almost bought, a threaded insert tool for something like $17. I think this would be a very handy tool to have around.
Here - they have it on the website
<http://www.harborfreight.com/hand-tools/hand-riveters/45-piece-threaded-insert-riveter-kit-1210.html>
Larry Davick
Fremont, California
A Mystery Machine
'76 (ish) Palm Beach
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Larry,
I bought a similar tool at Northern Tool (recommended by Bob Burkitt) works great --- used it to install new hangers for my overhead cabinets in the rear of the coach.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200308963_200308963
http://goo.gl/qmnJg
Dennis
Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCs, Mountains, Fuel Injection, Electric Blowers, Gears [message #180222 is a reply to message #180201] |
Tue, 14 August 2012 12:14 |
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On Bob's recommendation I ordered one last night!
Larry Davick
On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Dennis Sexton <dennisfsexton@aol.com> wrote:
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> ljdavick wrote on Mon, 13 August 2012 16:23
>> Ken,
>>
>> Looking at your photos of the split fender liner I saw the threaded inserts. Walking through Harbor Freight the other day I saw, and almost bought, a threaded insert tool for something like $17. I think this would be a very handy tool to have around.
>>
>> Here - they have it on the website
>> <http://www.harborfreight.com/hand-tools/hand-riveters/45-piece-threaded-insert-riveter-kit-1210.html>
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry Davick
>> Fremont, California
>> A Mystery Machine
>> '76 (ish) Palm Beach
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>
> Larry,
>
> I bought a similar tool at Northern Tool (recommended by Bob Burkitt) works great --- used it to install new hangers for my overhead cabinets in the rear of the coach.
>
> http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200308963_200308963
>
> http://goo.gl/qmnJg
>
> Dennis
> --
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> 73 Painted Desert 230
> Germantown, TN
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCs, Mountains, Fuel Injection, Electric Blowers, Gears [message #180330 is a reply to message #180124] |
Wed, 15 August 2012 06:42 |
Steven Ferguson
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Larry,
You will be much happier with the nutsert tool from Fastenal. The Chinese
just can't seem to get it right when it comes to this tool.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net> wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Looking at your photos of the split fender liner I saw the threaded
> inserts. Walking through Harbor Freight the other day I saw, and almost
> bought, a threaded insert tool for something like $17. I think this would
> be a very handy tool to have around.
>
> Here - they have it on the website
> <
> http://www.harborfreight.com/hand-tools/hand-riveters/45-piece-threaded-insert-riveter-kit-1210.html
> >
>
>
>
> Larry Davick
> Fremont, California
> A Mystery Machine
> '76 (ish) Palm Beach
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Henderson" <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 2:05:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCs, Mountains, Fuel Injection, Electric Blowers,
> Gears
>
> Y'All do know, I suppose, that there is a "best of both worlds" solution to
> wheel well liners?
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3609-2-piece-wheel-well-liner.html
> or
> http://goo.gl/k3U3q
>
> I originally split them longitudinally because my fender flares made it
> very difficult to remove entire liners. The unanticipated benefit is that
> there's still protection for the cockpit floor, from both thrown up
> moisture and debris. when the inner half is removed for engine access.
> That probably makes the cockpit a little quieter and preserves the
> fiberglass insulation I have under there.
>
> The inner halves are more and more frequently left out. If I'd known that
> was going to happen, I'd have made the split more like 1/3 removable
> instead of 1/2 removable.
>
> For someone intending to leave the inner portions of the liners out, the
> parting strip, with captive nuts, like I used would not be necessary, but I
> think it would still be beneficial to reinforce that free edge with an
> aluminum cap of some sort.
>
> Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCs, Mountains, Fuel Injection, Electric Blowers, Gears [message #180352 is a reply to message #180330] |
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G'day,
I am a fan of HF for most things and have one of these nutsert tools, however, it should be noted that the nutserts are SOFT
aluminum and would be OK for use in shear. However, I wouldn't trust them to hold very much weight in tension.
McMaster Carr sells a nutsert that spreads out like a Molly bolt, I used them to replace the missing nutserts on the bottom of the
dash that the booster / master cylinder bracket attaches to. That was three years ago and all is well.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Ferguson
Larry,
You will be much happier with the nutsert tool from Fastenal. The Chinese
just can't seem to get it right when it comes to this tool.
Steve
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCs, Mountains, Fuel Injection, Electric Blowers, Gears [message #180377 is a reply to message #180352] |
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Yes, I'm a fan of HF too but I ordered the tool Bob recommends from Amazon the other night. There is little that is more frustrating than having a tool fail when you need it.
Still I'm excited as a kid before Christmas waiting for this tool. The inserts could be used in so many places!
Larry Davick
On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:32 AM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> G'day,
>
> I am a fan of HF for most things and have one of these nutsert tools, however, it should be noted that the nutserts are SOFT
> aluminum and would be OK for use in shear. However, I wouldn't trust them to hold very much weight in tension.
>
> McMaster Carr sells a nutsert that spreads out like a Molly bolt, I used them to replace the missing nutserts on the bottom of the
> dash that the booster / master cylinder bracket attaches to. That was three years ago and all is well.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Ferguson
>
> Larry,
> You will be much happier with the nutsert tool from Fastenal. The Chinese
> just can't seem to get it right when it comes to this tool.
>
>
> Steve
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- Any suggestions/thoughts as to what you might have done "differently" the next time? - Thanks!
- Have a LONG way's ta go before that "project" comes up - Just keep me in mind when you do get around to trying it out! - Look forward to hear what you might have done differently.... If anything.