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I have the AC DELCO PF24C oil filter in the Coach - I called a supplier up
here for a Wix Filter
he says there is no match. Do any of you use WIX filters on the 455. and
if so what number###
Thank you.
Dwayne
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77 Kingsley
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oil Filters [message #175435 is a reply to message #175433] |
Tue, 03 July 2012 15:06  |
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Thanks mac. You.re the man.
Dwayne
On 2012-07-03 12:46 PM, "D C *Mac* Macdonald" <k2gkk@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:37:22 -0700
> > From: dwayne.jacobson@gmail.com
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Subject: [GMCnet] Oil Filters
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> > I have the AC DELCO PF24C oil filter in the Coach - I called a supplier
> up
> > here for a Wix Filter
> > he says there is no match. Do any of you use WIX filters on the 455. and
> > if so what number###
> > Thank you.
> > Dwayne
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> > 77 Eleganza II - 4 Bagger
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240489 is a reply to message #240487] |
Wed, 19 February 2014 13:36 |
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I'm going to the warehouse tomorrow to finish the transmission cooler and I'll look, but I think it will fit under the battery on the inside of the frame. I've seen photos of a remote single transmission filter there on the outside of the frame in front of the tire. It was on a right hand conversion conversion..Aussies?
Trans-Dapt 1220 is their kit for an Olds. But if you are using S/S hoses and A/N or SAE fittings you can buy just the bracket for about $40.00. Since we already have the cooler adapter we don't need to buy hoses, clamps and adapter.
Clines will make up the hose for about $7 per foot for 1/2" id plus fittings.
| Vince Behm wrote on Wed, 19 February 2014 13:05 |
I like the idea of remote /duel oil filters. Where is this set up mounted?
Any pictures? Supplier of such a mount?
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240493 is a reply to message #240489] |
Wed, 19 February 2014 15:21 |
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Mike,
The Blue Streaks PO installed a transmission oil filter which I will be removing. I am of the opinion that since the engineers that
designed the TH-425 didn't install a remote oil filter it not necessary. In fact if causes a pressure drop it could CAUSE the pump
in the transmission to starve and I reckon that would cause problems in the transmission.
Furthermore I am also of the opinion that the engineers weren't particularly worried about filtering the transmission fluid. Next
time you drop the trans pan to change the oil and filter cut the filter open and you'll find it is what I call a "horsehair" filter
that will keep big stuff from being sucked off the bottom of the transmission pan.
I looked at the Trans-Dapt 1220 and according to the blurb on Jeggs (http://www.jegs.com/i/Trans-Dapt/969/1220/10002/-1) it is an
remote ENGINE OIL filter kit.
BTW the radiator is grounded to the transmission/engine through the transmission cooler lines. if you install a remote transmission
oil cooler using rubber hoses you need to come up with a way to make that happen. An easy way of accomplishing that is by installing
a set of JR Slaten's braided Stainless Steel oil cooler hoses. You kill two birds with one stone that way as you'll never have to
worry about the rubber engine oil cooler lines again!
http://www.bdub.net/slaten/
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: mike foster
I'm going to the warehouse tomorrow to finish the transmission cooler and I'll look, but I think it will fit under the battery on
the inside of the frame. I've photos of a remote single transmission filter there on a right hand conversion..Aussies?
Trans-Dapt 1220 is their kit for an Olds. But if you are using S/S hoses and A/N or SAE fittings you can buy just the bracket for
about $40.00. Since we already have the cooler adapter we don't need to buy hoses, clamps and adapter.
Clines will make up the hose for about $7 per foot for 1/2" id plus fittings.
Vince Behm wrote on Wed, 19 February 2014 13:05
> I like the idea of remote /duel oil filters. Where is this set up mounted?
> Any pictures? Supplier of such a mount?
>
> --
> Vince Behm
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'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240497 is a reply to message #240493] |
Wed, 19 February 2014 16:31 |
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| USAussie wrote on Wed, 19 February 2014 14:21 |
Mike,
The Blue Streaks PO installed a transmission oil filter which I will be removing. I am of the opinion that since the engineers that
designed the TH-425 didn't install a remote oil filter it not necessary. In fact if causes a pressure drop it could CAUSE the pump
in the transmission to starve and I reckon that would cause problems in the transmission.
Furthermore I am also of the opinion that the engineers weren't particularly worried about filtering the transmission fluid. Next
time you drop the trans pan to change the oil and filter cut the filter open and you'll find it is what I call a "horsehair" filter
that will keep big stuff from being sucked off the bottom of the transmission pan.
I looked at the Trans-Dapt 1220 and according to the blurb on Jeggs (http://www.jegs.com/i/Trans-Dapt/969/1220/10002/-1) it is an
remote ENGINE OIL filter kit.
BTW the radiator is grounded to the transmission/engine through the transmission cooler lines. if you install a remote transmission
oil cooler using rubber hoses you need to come up with a way to make that happen. An easy way of accomplishing that is by installing
a set of JR Slaten's braided Stainless Steel oil cooler hoses. You kill two birds with one stone that way as you'll never have to
worry about the rubber engine oil cooler lines again!
http://www.bdub.net/slaten/
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: mike foster
I'm going to the warehouse tomorrow to finish the transmission cooler and I'll look, but I think it will fit under the battery on
the inside of the frame. I've photos of a remote single transmission filter there on a right hand conversion..Aussies?
Trans-Dapt 1220 is their kit for an Olds. But if you are using S/S hoses and A/N or SAE fittings you can buy just the bracket for
about $40.00. Since we already have the cooler adapter we don't need to buy hoses, clamps and adapter.
Clines will make up the hose for about $7 per foot for 1/2" id plus fittings.
Vince Behm wrote on Wed, 19 February 2014 13:05
> I like the idea of remote /duel oil filters. Where is this set up mounted?
> Any pictures? Supplier of such a mount?
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> --
> Vince Behm
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I don't want to come across negatively on these ideas, but one of my first jobs was as a failure mode engineer and it left a long lasting impression with me. The more parts, the less the reliability. When adding something like a remote filter, you are adding probably close to a dozen components--all of which have less than 100% reliability. The theory really does work in practice.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240505 is a reply to message #240497] |
Wed, 19 February 2014 17:03 |
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Bob,
Sounds like you're a devotee of the KISS principle! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob de Kruyff
I don't want to come across negatively on these ideas, but one of my first jobs was as a failure mode engineer and it left a long
lasting impression with me. The more parts, the less the reliability. When adding something like a remote filter, you are adding
probably close to a dozen components--all of which have less than 100% reliability. The theory really does work in practice.
--
Bob
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'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240530 is a reply to message #240505] |
Wed, 19 February 2014 21:10 |
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| USAussie wrote on Wed, 19 February 2014 16:03 |
Bob,
Sounds like you're a devotee of the KISS principle! 
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob de Kruyff
I don't want to come across negatively on these ideas, but one of my first jobs was as a failure mode engineer and it left a long
lasting impression with me. The more parts, the less the reliability. When adding something like a remote filter, you are adding
probably close to a dozen components--all of which have less than 100% reliability. The theory really does work in practice.
--
Bob
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240819 is a reply to message #175431] |
Fri, 21 February 2014 21:36 |
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Frantz filter
http://www.frantzoil.com/home.html
ronc
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:02:42 -0600 mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net>
writes:
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> I'm not going to touch that one.
>
> Johnny Bridges wrote on Fri, 21 February 2014 19:01
> > A couple of guys when I was in college had bypass filters which
> fitted a roll of bathroom stationary as the element. Messy to
> change, but they seemed to work well. That was in the early 60', I
> suspect modern engines and modern oils mightn't do as well,
> particularly with modern papers. They made it a point to swipe the
> 'John Wayne' stuff the U fitted to the stalls. It wasn't prone to
> disintegrate.
> >
> >
> > --johnny
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net>
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS
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> >
> >
> >
> > Just in case there is a 'cultural difference'..to quote a line
> from the NETFLIX series Lilyhammer.....up here a 'bypass' is a
> secondary filter like the M-B diesel used that is much finer than
> the standard part and depending on how much finer and surface area
> somewhere between 5-15% of the oil goes through that part of the
> filter. The Trans Dapt brackets put all the oil to the input side of
> both filters simultaneously. The dual filter systems that use a
> seperate bypass filter use one standard and one 'bypass' filter. The
> microGreen build the 'bypass' into one unit.
> >
> > Are we on the same page on that?
> >
> > USAussie wrote on Fri, 21 February 2014 17:37
> > > Agreed,
> > >
> > > Have you verified that this filter does NOT have a bypass in it?
> THAT IS VERY important.
> > >
> > > BTW I ordered a case of 12 Wix filters from Amazon and for some
> reason the vendor sent me TWO cases, that's a 24 year supply for
> me!
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Rob M.
> > > Sydney, Australia
> > > AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> > > USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mike foster
> > >
> > > The filter is a 13/16X16 thread and a gasket size of 2.5 i.d.
> and 2.75 o.d. I have no idea why they would not use the same
> filter.
> > >
> > > I have solved this little dilemma by ordering a Trans Dapt 1020
> adapter and a 1030 dual remote filter bracket. That particular
> > > bracket takes a a Fram PH8a or equivalent.
> > >
> > > The PH8a crosses to the microGreen MG412-1.
> > >
> > > I'm good to go on this now!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240841 is a reply to message #240819] |
Sat, 22 February 2014 08:20 |
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Good to know the idea is still out there. I notice they sell their house brand of paperfor it.
--johnny
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS
Frantz filter
http://www.frantzoil.com/home.html
ronc
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:02:42 -0600 mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net>
writes:
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>
> I'm not going to touch that one.
>
> Johnny Bridges wrote on Fri, 21 February 2014 19:01
> > A couple of guys when I was in college had bypass filters which
> fitted a roll of bathroom stationary as the element. Messy to
> change, but they seemed to work well. That was in the early 60', I
> suspect modern engines and modern oils mightn't do as well,
> particularly with modern papers. They made it a point to swipe the
> 'John Wayne' stuff the U fitted to the stalls. It wasn't prone to
> disintegrate.
> >
> >
> > --johnny
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net>
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Just in case there is a 'cultural difference'..to quote a line
> from the NETFLIX series Lilyhammer.....up here a 'bypass' is a
> secondary filter like the M-B diesel used that is much finer than
> the standard part and depending on how much finer and surface area
> somewhere between 5-15% of the oil goes through that part of the
> filter. The Trans Dapt brackets put all the oil to the input side of
> both filters simultaneously. The dual filter systems that use a
> seperate bypass filter use one standard and one 'bypass' filter. The
> microGreen build the 'bypass' into one unit.
> >
> > Are we on the same page on that?
> >
> > USAussie wrote on Fri, 21 February 2014 17:37
> > > Agreed,
> > >
> > > Have you verified that this filter does NOT have a bypass in it?
> THAT IS VERY important.
> > >
> > > BTW I ordered a case of 12 Wix filters from Amazon and for some
> reason the vendor sent me TWO cases, that's a 24 year supply for
> me!
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Rob M.
> > > Sydney, Australia
> > > AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> > > USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mike foster
> > >
> > > The filter is a 13/16X16 thread and a gasket size of 2.5 i.d.
> and 2.75 o.d. I have no idea why they would not use the same
> filter.
> > >
> > > I have solved this little dilemma by ordering a Trans Dapt 1020
> adapter and a 1030 dual remote filter bracket. That particular
> > > bracket takes a a Fram PH8a or equivalent.
> > >
> > > The PH8a crosses to the microGreen MG412-1.
> > >
> > > I'm good to go on this now!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #241019 is a reply to message #241015] |
Sun, 23 February 2014 16:15 |
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Welll, one was on a 'crackerbox' Chevy II and one on an older Ford. They seems to keep the crud out of the oil.   They long predated to outfit we're looking at, this was in 1962.
Â
--johnny
Â
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From: Robert Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS
Johnny,
For the life of me I can't see how a roll of toilet paper full of oil would flow very much.
Here's a link to their website: http://www.frantzoil.com/home.html
Here's a link to: Installation - Traditional method and new method
http://www.frantzoil.com/installation.html
Basically you Tee off the oil pressure switch fitting and dump the filtered oil back into the engine oil pan.
Here's a link to their Catalog page: http://www.frantzoil.com/catalog.html
Under which you will find: http://www.frantzoil.com/catalog/item/4746217/9906472.htm
OIL / FUEL RECOVERY FILTER KIT
Do you filter dirty surplus oil? Hundreds of Americans do today.
This filter is a popular choice as an inexpensive unit for filtering used engine oil, fuel oil, or “veggie” oil. You can expect
filtered fluid down to approximately one micron with this unit. The INLET and OUTLET ports have been drilled out to 7/32" vs the
stock 1/16" orifice size opening to allow for good flow. This is now a FULL FLOW filter and should not be used on a vehicle unless
converted back with the addition of a restrictor orifice again.
Note that this filter when installed in a vehicle is fed from the oil pressure Tee through a 1/16" orifice. I wonder just how much
flow you're going to get through a 1/16" orifice and a roll of toilet paper.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Johnny Bridges
Good to know the idea is still out there. I notice they sell their house brand of paperfor it.
Â
--johnny
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #241042 is a reply to message #241019] |
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Johnny,
Hmmmm, not sure about reckonin' 50+ years old! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Bridges
Welll, one was on a 'crackerbox' Chevy II and one on an older Ford. They seems to keep the crud out of the oil. They long
predated to outfit we're looking at, this was in 1962.
--johnny
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #241127 is a reply to message #241048] |
Mon, 24 February 2014 12:20 |
roy1
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Registered: July 2004
Location: Minden nevada
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| mikethebike wrote on Sun, 23 February 2014 17:30 |
I ordered the TransDapt 1220 (remote oil filter adapter for the OLDS) and the 1230 dual filter mount that uses the same size filter a a Fram ph8-a. I found that Mobil-1 15-50 has a ZDDP content of 1200/1300 for zinc and phosphorous so I shouldn't need to add the GM EOS additive. With the heat tolerance of the Mobil-1 I can do away with the aux oil cooler, replace the OE oil cooler lines to the radiator and run 2 new ones to the remote filters.
I won't know where they will fit until I get the bracket and put 2 filters on and start playing with it.
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I don't know where you live but if it is a mountain state and you tow anything that is more then around 2500lbs or more you should rethink removing your 2nd cooler. My oil was at 280 degrees earlier this month climbing a steep mountain grade near the summit and I have a 2nd oil cooler .I also use mobil1 15/50 oil. The radiator was cool the engine coolant temp.was at 190 and the ambient air was at freezing. So it was just a hard working motor with a good load too move and yes I had it in 2nd gear to keep it from lugging .If you are a flat lander you probably don't need the 2nd cooler.
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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