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WD0AFQ is currently offline  WD0AFQ   United States
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Dang it. I hit the start button before I got my finger off the prime button. Onan started right up then died. Will turn over but no start. 8 years, first time it has failed me.
Dan


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Re: My Never Broken Onan [message #172793 is a reply to message #172791] Sun, 10 June 2012 11:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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WD0AFQ wrote on Sun, 10 June 2012 09:46

Dang it. I hit the start button before I got my finger off the prime button. Onan started right up then died. Will turn over but no start. 8 years, first time it has failed me.
Dan



Dan,

I have no experience with that particular problem, but it sounds like a fuse issue to me. Could be the fuse in your prime circuit or the one on the control board. At least that's where I would look first.


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Re: My Never Broken Onan [message #172794 is a reply to message #172793] Sun, 10 June 2012 12:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Carl, that's what I am thinking. That is what it acts like. Will pull the cover and see. Onan needs a good cleaning with Simple Green too.
Dan


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Re: My Never Broken Onan [message #172803 is a reply to message #172794] Sun, 10 June 2012 13:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No fuel coming out of fuel pump to the carb. Next, will check to see if any is going to the fuel pump. Too hot to do over one check at a time. No shade this time of day. And, we all know I struggle to be just a shade tree mechanic. I suspect I blew something by not getting my finger off the prime button before hitting START.
dan


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Re: My Never Broken Onan [message #172811 is a reply to message #172803] Sun, 10 June 2012 14:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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WD0AFQ wrote on Sun, 10 June 2012 14:38

No fuel coming out of fuel pump to the carb. Next, will check to see if any is going to the fuel pump. Too hot to do over one check at a time. No shade this time of day. And, we all know I struggle to be just a shade tree mechanic. I suspect I blew something by not getting my finger off the prime button before hitting START.
dan

Dan,

You can't take credit for this quite yet.
Holding the prime button while cranking shouldn't hurt anything.
That doesn't mean something didn't fail, but you would have been hard pressed to do it that way.

The MOST dangerous thing about holding the prime button is that it overrides the LOP (Low Oil Pressure) safety.

The only thing you can hurt with it is if you hold the prime button and the stop switch, that supposedly will take out the fuse on the control board.

Matt


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Re: My Never Broken Onan [message #172812 is a reply to message #172791] Sun, 10 June 2012 14:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dan,

I usually start by jumping 5 and 9 at the ocntrol board. If the pump runs -- clicking rapidly and never slowing down -- I am out of gas. Jumping 5 and 9 is what the prime button does -- but from that location you cannot hear the pump run.

Dennis


WD0AFQ wrote on Sun, 10 June 2012 11:46

Dang it. I hit the start button before I got my finger off the prime button. Onan started right up then died. Will turn over but no start. 8 years, first time it has failed me.
Dan



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Re: My Never Broken Onan [message #172820 is a reply to message #172812] Sun, 10 June 2012 16:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ok men, a heavy cloud just overtook Dexter. While it was a bit cooler I ran back out and removed the cover from the control board. Replaced the blown fuse and we are back in buisness. Ain't going anywhere during the summer months with only dash air. The only purpose our Onan serves is to run the roof air while we travel. We are back in buisness.
No tree but plenty of shade.
Thanks,
Dan


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Re: [GMCnet] My Never Broken Onan [message #172821 is a reply to message #172803] Sun, 10 June 2012 16:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dan,

I always hold the prime button while cranking. I don’t know why I do it this way, maybe Tom Hampton told me to, I really don’t know. In any case it’s never been a problem for me.

You say no fuel coming out of the pump to the carb - is the fuel pump working? If so, then you have 12 volts, so no fuse problem. If not then diagnose the voltage.

How old are the fuel lines going to the Onan? Perhaps a test from a gas-can could eliminate the possibility of a bad fuel pump. Hook line from pump inlet to gas-can. If she runs then I would suspect a bad line or is there a fuel filter in there somewhere?

Good luck!

Larry Davick
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1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont, CA

On Jun 10, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Dan Gregg wrote:

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> No fuel coming out of fuel pump to the carb. Next, will check to see if any is going to the fuel pump. Too hot to do over one check at a time. No shade this time of day. And, we all know I struggle to be just a shade tree mechanic. I suspect I blew something by not getting my finger off the prime button before hitting START.
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Re: [GMCnet] My Never Broken Onan [message #172822 is a reply to message #172820] Sun, 10 June 2012 16:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Fuses should never blow. Better find out why

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On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:

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> Ok men, a heavy cloud just overtook Dexter. While it was a bit cooler I ran back out and removed the cover from the control board. Replaced the blown fuse and we are back in buisness. Ain't going anywhere during the summer months with only dash air. The only purpose our Onan serves is to run the roof air while we travel. We are back in buisness.
> No tree but plenty of shade.
> Thanks,
> Dan
> --
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>
>
> http://danandteri.blogspot.com/
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Re: [GMCnet] My Never Broken Onan [message #172831 is a reply to message #172791] Sun, 10 June 2012 18:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The only way I can start my Onan is to hold the prime button. After it
starts, I release the prime button and she continues to run just fine.

bdub


-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of Dan Gregg

Dang it. I hit the start button before I got my finger off the prime button.
Onan started right up then died. Will turn over but no start. 8 years, first
time it has failed me.
Dan



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Re: [GMCnet] My Never Broken Onan [message #172833 is a reply to message #172820] Sun, 10 June 2012 18:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Excellent news!

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On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Dan Gregg wrote:

>
>
> Ok men, a heavy cloud just overtook Dexter. While it was a bit cooler I ran back out and removed the cover from the control board. Replaced the blown fuse and we are back in buisness. Ain't going anywhere during the summer months with only dash air. The only purpose our Onan serves is to run the roof air while we travel. We are back in buisness.
> No tree but plenty of shade.
> Thanks,
> Dan
> --
> Dan & Teri Gregg
>
>
> http://danandteri.blogspot.com/
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Re: [GMCnet] My Never Broken Onan [message #172844 is a reply to message #172822] Sun, 10 June 2012 19:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think that fuses often blow for no apparent reason. The fuse element can come close to blowing and this can weaken the element and it can later blow without a very heavy load on the circuit.



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On Jun 10, 2012, at 3:19 PM, mr.erfisher@gmail.com wrote:

> Fuses should never blow. Better find out why
>
> Gene
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> On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> Ok men, a heavy cloud just overtook Dexter. While it was a bit cooler I ran back out and removed the cover from the control board. Replaced the blown fuse and we are back in buisness. Ain't going anywhere during the summer months with only dash air. The only purpose our Onan serves is to run the roof air while we travel. We are back in buisness.
>> No tree but plenty of shade.
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>> --
>> Dan & Teri Gregg
>>
>>
>> http://danandteri.blogspot.com/
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Re: [GMCnet] My Never Broken Onan [message #172845 is a reply to message #172822] Sun, 10 June 2012 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think that fuses often blow for no apparent reason. The fuse element can come close to blowing and this can weaken the element and it can later blow without a very heavy load on the circuit.



Emery Stora
On Jun 10, 2012, at 3:19 PM, mr.erfisher@gmail.com wrote:

> Fuses should never blow. Better find out why
>
> Gene
>
> FREE WIFI @ Mickey D
>
>
>
>
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> On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Ok men, a heavy cloud just overtook Dexter. While it was a bit cooler I ran back out and removed the cover from the control board. Replaced the blown fuse and we are back in buisness. Ain't going anywhere during the summer months with only dash air. The only purpose our Onan serves is to run the roof air while we travel. We are back in buisness.
>> No tree but plenty of shade.
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>> --
>> Dan & Teri Gregg
>>
>>
>> http://danandteri.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
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Re: My Never Broken Onan [message #172860 is a reply to message #172791] Sun, 10 June 2012 21:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I agree with Emery. For a fuse to function as a fuse it needs to be faily close to rated limit at times, so that it is the weak link and something else does not act as a fuse. Considering that fuse could have been built at Littlefuse just up the street from me here in 1972 for a 73 coach, and has been to the moon and back, I think it deserves to blow. So Dan, now that it runs did you still want or need my 4 extra isolators? I'm glad you didn't replace them first and then have it fail and then you blame the isolators. Ha.

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Re: My Never Broken Onan [message #172864 is a reply to message #172860] Sun, 10 June 2012 21:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh yea, fuses blow all the time. I bet I carry 50-75 fuses in the coach. This fuse may have very well been the original fuse.
John, while I was cleaning the Onan I checked the isolators. Someone has replaced them and they appear to be in nice shape. Thanks for the offer. I thought maybe they got used at the Miller gathering. Someone here needs them. List them on the swap net and they will go in a hurry.
Dan


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Re: [GMCnet] My Never Broken Onan [message #172903 is a reply to message #172860] Mon, 11 June 2012 06:26 Go to previous message
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Standard rule of thumb is fuse at twice the nominal current draw of the circuit.  That's large enough to withstand turn-on surges, but small enough to open before wires get hot enough to melt - assuming the wire guage has been propelrly selected for the load.  For motor starts, a SloBlow <tm> fuse is indicated.
 
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I agree with Emery. For a fuse to function as a fuse it needs to be faily close to rated limit at times, so that it is the weak link and something else does not act as a fuse. Considering that fuse could have been built at Littlefuse just up the street from me here in 1972 for a 73 coach, and has been to the moon and back, I think it deserves to blow. So Dan, now that it runs did you still want or need my 4 extra isolators? I'm glad you didn't replace them first and then have it fail and then you blame the isolators.  Ha.
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