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| [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems [message #171346] |
Wed, 30 May 2012 10:47  |
Ray Erspamer
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Good Morning
Just got back from north of Toronto, had a great trip and put on about 1,600
miles. Coach ran like a top ! Saw 2 other GMC's along the way, a Green Palm
Beach at the border coming back into the U.S. at Port Huron and a Cream & Blue
one on I94.
3 small problems....
1. Bad gas smell in the coach when I filled the tanks completely full (I had
posted this earlier), when I only put in 20 gallons at a time, no smell. I will
drop the rear tank to see what's going on. Will drop both tanks if necessary.
Just dropped the tanks last August to check how clean they were, etc. and didn't
have any problems last fall. Kind of a pain to drop the tanks again, but oh well
!
2. Fuse on the dedicated main line to the leveling system compressors keeps
blowing, I built my new leveling system several years ago and never had this
problem. I replace the fuse, start up, the systems levels, when I stop for gas
I check it and the fuse is blown. It's a dedicated line from a fuse block
directly under the hood back to the compressors. I will check the entire line
for a wear spot, rodent damage or ???
3. THIS I NEED TO FIX FAST....The auxiliary brake vac pump does not always kick
in when vac is low. Crawling through Chicago traffic yesterday I hit the brakes
and the dang pedal hits the floor....this also happened in Toronto crawling
across the 401 in rush hour.....GEEZ !!! Then all of a sudden it kicks in.
Can those vac switches be replaced ??
Overall a great trip, this is even hard for me to believe, but I kept dead nuts
mileage and gas usage records and we averaged 10.2 MPG. That's with the new
3:70 final drive and running about 70 MPH on the freeways. Also according to my
records our mileage since the installation of the 3:70 has averaged 9.35 MPG as
compared to 8.95 with the 3:42 final drive that came with our coach. The only
other change this spring is I had Dick Paterson rebuild that carb which has been
great. The coach now starts perfect, fast idle works, etc.
All input is appreciated, thanks and have a great day !
Ray
Ray & Lisa
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems [message #171348 is a reply to message #171346] |
Wed, 30 May 2012 10:58  |
Bob de Kruyff
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""3. THIS I NEED TO FIX FAST....The auxiliary brake vac pump does not always kick
in when vac is low. Crawling through Chicago traffic yesterday I hit the brakes
and the dang pedal hits the floor....this also happened in Toronto crawling
across the 401 in rush hour.....GEEZ !!! Then all of a sudden it kicks in.
Can those vac switches be replaced ??
""
Ray, there is no way a vacuum problem will cause the pedal to go to the floor. Low vacuum will cause a hard pedal. I suspect your master cylinder.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems [message #171349 is a reply to message #171346] |
Wed, 30 May 2012 11:01 |
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| Ray Erspamer wrote on Wed, 30 May 2012 11:47 |
Good Morning
Just got back from north of Toronto, had a great trip and put on about 1,600 miles. Coach ran like a top ! Saw 2 other GMC's along the way, a Green Palm Beach at the border coming back into the U.S. at Port Huron and a Cream & Blue one on I94.
3 small problems....
1. Bad gas smell in the coach when I filled the tanks completely full (I had posted this earlier), when I only put in 20 gallons at a time, no smell. I will drop the rear tank to see what's going on. Will drop both tanks if necessary.
Just dropped the tanks last August to check how clean they were, etc. and didn't have any problems last fall. Kind of a pain to drop the tanks again, but oh well !
<snipped the other two>
All input is appreciated, thanks and have a great day !
Ray
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Ray,
I can't help with the second two, but the gas smell in the cab is probably a shot fill vent hose that comes up the side in that lump behind your left elbow. You have to get under the side panel to replace it. You will also need to remove the front wheel well liner.
This hose goes from the fill neck back to the frame where it ties into a steel line. You might as well replace it all.
You should also look at the caulk around the fill neck. What ever they put there didn't last and any spill ends up in the coach.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems [message #171351 is a reply to message #171348] |
Wed, 30 May 2012 11:06 |
Ray Erspamer
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Hi Bob
So what specifically could be wrong with the master cylinder ??? I had replaced
that in 07.
It's really strange, when in stop and go traffic like the construction zones in
Chicago, all of a sudden the pedal will go to the floor. If I can get rolling
and put more power to the engine, the pedal goes back to normal.
I appreciate your help!
Ray
Ray & Lisa
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems
""3. THIS I NEED TO FIX FAST....The auxiliary brake vac pump does not always
kick
in when vac is low. Crawling through Chicago traffic yesterday I hit the brakes
and the dang pedal hits the floor....this also happened in Toronto crawling
across the 401 in rush hour.....GEEZ !!! Then all of a sudden it kicks in.
Can those vac switches be replaced ??
""
Ray, there is no way a vacuum problem will cause the pedal to go to the floor.
Low vacuum will cause a hard pedal. I suspect your master cylinder.
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78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems [message #171357 is a reply to message #171351] |
Wed, 30 May 2012 11:30 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""Hi Bob
So what specifically could be wrong with the master cylinder ??? I had replaced
that in 07.
It's really strange, when in stop and go traffic like the construction zones in
Chicago, all of a sudden the pedal will go to the floor. If I can get rolling
and put more power to the engine, the pedal goes back to normal.
I appreciate your help!
""
Ray, there are several things that can cause the pedal to go to the floor: failing master cylinder, a leak in the system, caliper knock back due to loose wheel bearing (s), water in the fluid which can boil when hot, and finally brake fade if really hot. I strongly suspect the master cylinder and it's not unusual for a rebuilt unit to fail within 4 or 5 years. If you haven't flushed the fluid for a while it may have water in it and that will only show up when hot such as in stop and go traffic. Personally I would try a new master cylinder and thoroughly flush the fluid. Both of those are inexpensive and easy to do.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems [message #171430 is a reply to message #171346] |
Wed, 30 May 2012 18:35 |
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Ray,
When you replaced the gas lines did you replace the vent line that connects
at the filler neck? To get to it you have to remove the driver side panel or
cut the vertical surround around the filler neck.
!'d give Dick's rebuild job more of the credit for the increased fuel
mileage than the final drive.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Erspamer
Good Morning
Just got back from north of Toronto, had a great trip and put on about 1,600
miles. Coach ran like a top ! Saw 2 other GMC's along the way, a Green
Palm
Beach at the border coming back into the U.S. at Port Huron and a Cream &
Blue
one on I94.
3 small problems....
1. Bad gas smell in the coach when I filled the tanks completely full (I
had
posted this earlier), when I only put in 20 gallons at a time, no smell. I
will
drop the rear tank to see what's going on. Will drop both tanks if
necessary.
Just dropped the tanks last August to check how clean they were, etc. and
didn't
have any problems last fall. Kind of a pain to drop the tanks again, but oh
well
!
2. Fuse on the dedicated main line to the leveling system compressors keeps
blowing, I built my new leveling system several years ago and never had this
problem. I replace the fuse, start up, the systems levels, when I stop for
gas
I check it and the fuse is blown. It's a dedicated line from a fuse block
directly under the hood back to the compressors. I will check the entire
line
for a wear spot, rodent damage or ???
3. THIS I NEED TO FIX FAST....The auxiliary brake vac pump does not always
kick
in when vac is low. Crawling through Chicago traffic yesterday I hit the
brakes
and the dang pedal hits the floor....this also happened in Toronto crawling
across the 401 in rush hour.....GEEZ !!! Then all of a sudden it kicks in.
Can those vac switches be replaced ??
Overall a great trip, this is even hard for me to believe, but I kept dead
nuts
mileage and gas usage records and we averaged 10.2 MPG. That's with the new
3:70 final drive and running about 70 MPH on the freeways. Also according
to my
records our mileage since the installation of the 3:70 has averaged 9.35 MPG
as
compared to 8.95 with the 3:42 final drive that came with our coach. The
only
other change this spring is I had Dick Paterson rebuild that carb which has
been
great. The coach now starts perfect, fast idle works, etc.
All input is appreciated, thanks and have a great day !
Ray
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| Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems [message #171442 is a reply to message #171346] |
Wed, 30 May 2012 19:55 |
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mike miller
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| Ray Erspamer wrote on Wed, 30 May 2012 08:47 |
... I will
drop the rear tank to see what's going on. Will drop both tanks if necessary. ...
... It's a dedicated line from a fuse block
directly under the hood back to the compressors. I will check the entire line
for a wear spot, rodent damage or ??? ...
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IIRC: The bolts for the bracket that holds the straps for the rear tank are "hidden" behind the front tank. SO... you pretty much have to drop the front tank to drop the rear one.
For your "fuse blowing compressors," I would run a 12 volt "stiff power" line from the compressors to the house battery... with an appropriate sized circuit breaker. With a Royale, there should be a good point to tap into the house system at the aft end of the heavy cable running between the two house batteries. (But the battery side of the house fuse panel would be good second choice.) For anyone with an GM upfitted coach, there is a junction block behind the cabinet next to the stove.
Due to fewer switches and connections, this mod should provide higher voltages at the pumps, so the pumps will draw less current. If after this mod, the new circuit breakers keep tripping, I would suspect you have a pump going bad.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
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| Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems [message #171571 is a reply to message #171442] |
Thu, 31 May 2012 21:19 |
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| Mike Miller wrote on Wed, 30 May 2012 19:55 |
IIRC: The bolts for the bracket that holds the straps for the rear tank are "hidden" behind the front tank. SO... you pretty much have to drop the front tank to drop the rear one.
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Yep - front first.
Ray - let me know if you want some help with this. It may be easier to do it here than in your driveway, or the street.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems [message #171653 is a reply to message #171571] |
Fri, 01 June 2012 14:05 |
Ray Erspamer
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Well GO FIGURE, why would it be any other way !!! LOL
Thanks for the offer Steve, I'll let you know what I decide to do.
Ray
Ray & Lisa
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 9:19:59 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems
Mike Miller wrote on Wed, 30 May 2012 19:55
> IIRC: The bolts for the bracket that holds the straps for the rear tank are
>"hidden" behind the front tank. SO... you pretty much have to drop the front
>tank to drop the rear one.
Yep - front first.
Ray - let me know if you want some help with this. It may be easier to do it
here than in your driveway, or the street.
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1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems [message #171989 is a reply to message #171985] |
Mon, 04 June 2012 10:36 |
Ray Erspamer
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Thanks Matt, I had both of my tanks out last August so I'm familiar with these
bolts. Need to borrow a bore-scope from work first so I can take a loot at
what's going on above the tanks first.
I don't mind working on the GMC but doing REWORK really frustrates me, it would
be nice to fix something and have it FIXED ! Now it's drop the tank AGAIN, AND
after replacing my final drive in September I find out after this last trip that
I have a final drive seal leak on the left output shaft, dang entire bottom of
the coach is oily, so another thing I just fixed that I can fix AGAIN......
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!!!
Ray
Ray & Lisa
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Mon, June 4, 2012 10:15:01 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems
Mike Miller wrote on Wed, 30 May 2012 20:55
> Ray Erspamer wrote on Wed, 30 May 2012 08:47
> > ... I will drop the rear tank to see what's going on. Will drop both tanks
>if necessary. ...
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> IIRC: The bolts for the bracket that holds the straps for the rear tank are
>"hidden" behind the front tank. SO... you pretty much have to drop the front
>tank to drop the rear one.
> <snip>
Let me tell you very first hand that I believed this also, but this Sunday in
Hamilton, we discovered that the rear tank can be dropped alone with little
difficulty.
The front tank bracket (both tanks) has three screws through the transverse
frame. The straps are held at the rear by nuts run on two J-hooks in the
transverse frame to the rear of each tank. Unfortunately, those two straps of
the forward tank are in front of the outer pair of screws of the rear tank.
What to Do ??
Slack those straps of the front tank until they will move and tap them aside
just a little - enough to get room to get a socket with a u-joint on those outer
screws.
Why? We didn't make note of the fact that the replacement sensor/pickup had the
fuel and vent connections reversed.
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems [message #171993 is a reply to message #171989] |
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Ray,
I can empathize 100%, here's my helper!
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showfull.php?photo=33848
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Erspamer
Thanks Matt, I had both of my tanks out last August so I'm familiar with
these
bolts. Need to borrow a bore-scope from work first so I can take a loot at
what's going on above the tanks first.
I don't mind working on the GMC but doing REWORK really frustrates me, it
would
be nice to fix something and have it FIXED ! Now it's drop the tank AGAIN,
AND
after replacing my final drive in September I find out after this last trip
that
I have a final drive seal leak on the left output shaft, dang entire bottom
of
the coach is oily, so another thing I just fixed that I can fix AGAIN......
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!!!
Ray
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| Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems [message #171994 is a reply to message #171993] |
Mon, 04 June 2012 11:15 |
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Mon, 04 June 2012 12:00 |
Ray,
I can empathize 100%, here's my helper!
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showfull.php?photo=33848
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Erspamer
Thanks Matt, I had both of my tanks out last August so I'm familiar with
these
bolts. Need to borrow a bore-scope from work first so I can take a loot at
what's going on above the tanks first.
I don't mind working on the GMC but doing REWORK really frustrates me, it
would
be nice to fix something and have it FIXED ! Now it's drop the tank AGAIN,
AND
after replacing my final drive in September I find out after this last trip
that
I have a final drive seal leak on the left output shaft, dang entire bottom
of
the coach is oily, so another thing I just fixed that I can fix AGAIN......
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!!!
Ray
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| Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems [message #171995 is a reply to message #171993] |
Mon, 04 June 2012 11:20 |
Ray Erspamer
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Man could I use a helper like that Rob ! Good One !
Ray
Ray & Lisa
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: Robert Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
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Sent: Mon, June 4, 2012 11:04:28 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems
Ray,
I can empathize 100%, here's my helper!
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showfull.php?photo=33848
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Erspamer
Thanks Matt, I had both of my tanks out last August so I'm familiar with
these
bolts. Need to borrow a bore-scope from work first so I can take a loot at
what's going on above the tanks first.
I don't mind working on the GMC but doing REWORK really frustrates me, it
would
be nice to fix something and have it FIXED ! Now it's drop the tank AGAIN,
AND
after replacing my final drive in September I find out after this last trip
that
I have a final drive seal leak on the left output shaft, dang entire bottom
of
the coach is oily, so another thing I just fixed that I can fix AGAIN......
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!!!
Ray
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| Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems [message #171997 is a reply to message #171994] |
Mon, 04 June 2012 11:22 |
Ray Erspamer
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Ray never gives up ! But our dog Tucker has learned to hide when I come in the
house grumbling, he doesn't want to get kicked across the kitchen like a
football !!!
Oh, and during these times Lisa also conveniently disappears......LOL
Ray
Ray & Lisa
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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Sent: Mon, June 4, 2012 11:15:06 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Great Trip - Only 3 small problems
Me 2
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Robert Mueller wrote on Mon, 04 June 2012 12:00
> Ray,
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> I can empathize 100%, here's my helper!
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showfull.php?photo=33848
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> Regards,
> Rob M.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray Erspamer
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> Thanks Matt, I had both of my tanks out last August so I'm familiar with
> these
> bolts. Need to borrow a bore-scope from work first so I can take a loot at
> what's going on above the tanks first.
>
> I don't mind working on the GMC but doing REWORK really frustrates me, it
> would
> be nice to fix something and have it FIXED ! Now it's drop the tank AGAIN,
> AND
> after replacing my final drive in September I find out after this last trip
> that
> I have a final drive seal leak on the left output shaft, dang entire bottom
> of
> the coach is oily, so another thing I just fixed that I can fix AGAIN......
> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!!!
>
>
> Ray
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C. Boyd
76 Crestmont by Midas
East Tennessee
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Ray Erspamer
78 GMC Royale Center Kitchen
403, 3.70 Final Drive
Holley Sniper Quadrajet EFI System,
Holley Hyperspark Ignition System
414-484-9431
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