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[GMCnet] It's all breaking at once... [message #170932] |
Sat, 26 May 2012 23:02 |
Richard Denney
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So, everyone knows about my alternator issues, probably caused by a
faulty connector in the steering column, which was possibly wiggled
loose by tugging on the steering-column harness for an old
cruise-control system I was removing. And everyone knows about how the
combiner did not, as it turns out, survive my Big Mistake of briefly
wiring the chassis battery backwards when I was replacing it.
But when I got home from Bean Station, I also went back to retract my
Fantastic Fan, and as soon as I touched the handle, the cover slammed
down closed without turning it a bit. Something let go.
And then when I tried to dump the last bit of water in the waste tank,
the macerator wouldn't work.
ARGH!
But finally back in town with the long weekend, I spent nearly a whole
day working on the coach, for the first time in a couple of years
(excepting the time at Bean Station).
First, the Fantastic Fan. I discovered that only the lid has the
lifetime warranty. So, I got on eBay and found a new model 6600
(motorized, rain sensor, remote, thermostatically controlled, snap-out
screen) for a little under $200. I installed that today, and the only
issue with that was when I tugged on a the wire emerging from the edge
of the ceiling panel, it came out in my hands. I had to remove the
strip that holds on the panel and fish the wire from the back, but in
so doing replaced a couple of poorly made crimp joints. The fan works
wonderfully, and I'm looking forward to being able to leave the fan on
at night and maybe not being awakened by cold and damp at 4 in the
morning to turn off the fan. The rain sensor is sensitive--it was
triggered by today's hyper-humidity (just a couple of degrees above
the dew point, it seemed like). That may be a bit too sensitive--I'll
have to get more experience with it.
I installed the fan with butyl tape instead of the foam gasket it
comes with. I learned that lesson with the previous fan.
My only beef with the fan is the pop-off screen, which is held in
place with tabs that grip too aggressively, and I'm scared I'll break
it when trying to remove it. I've already broken off one of the tabs
trying to put it back on.
The old fan's actuator arm broke off, sheering the shaft on which it
rides. I'll use it for parts.
Autozone provided me with a new alternator to replace the failed one,
which their test machine laughed at (FAIL! FAIL! FAIL!). I installed
the new one and it works perfectly--for the moment. I keep thinking I
ought to replace my light-bulb current-limiting resistor that we put
in place of the nicrome wire circuit at Bean Station, but it's nice to
have a built-in indicator which is easy to see if I open the
fuse-block cover. On the alternator, my fingers are crossed. Maybe
this one will last more than 80 miles.
For the combiner, I corresponded with Ann-Marie Foster at Yandina, and
she told me that my early C50 (West Marine labeling) was still covered
under warranty and they would replace it with a similar model. Given
that I fried it through sheer stupidity on my part, I just didn't feel
right about that, so she sold me a brand new C100 (instead of a refurb
C50) for $43 including shipping, well under the usual discounted
price. I installed that today, and it combines a bit more aggressively
than the old C50, and at a slightly lower voltage (about 12.95 volts).
I prefer that--it will stay combined even during the trickle-charge
stage of my converter. But it cycles a bit during the period when a
fresh surface charge is bleeding off.
Finally, I messed with the macerator. It's blowing fuses, so I removed
the end cap and turned the shaft with a screwdriver. It then ran for
about a second and then started making an unhappy sound with no
pumping. I suspect the impeller has lost its teeth. But the thing was
on the coach before the PO bought it (he didn't even know it was
there), so it's at least a dozen years old. I'll probably go ahead and
replace it. Can't live without a macerator!
Rick "who might finish the new cruise control installation on Monday,
in preparation for a trip in two weeks" Denney
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'73 230 "Jaws"
Northern Virginia
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Re: [GMCnet] It's all breaking at once... [message #170935 is a reply to message #170932] |
Sun, 27 May 2012 02:32 |
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Messages: 15912 Registered: July 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Rick,
Sounds like "Jaws" is chewing you up a bit! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Denney
So, everyone knows about my alternator issues, probably caused by a
faulty connector in the steering column, which was possibly wiggled
loose by tugging on the steering-column harness for an old
cruise-control system I was removing. And everyone knows about how the
combiner did not, as it turns out, survive my Big Mistake of briefly
wiring the chassis battery backwards when I was replacing it.
But when I got home from Bean Station, I also went back to retract my
Fantastic Fan, and as soon as I touched the handle, the cover slammed
down closed without turning it a bit. Something let go.
And then when I tried to dump the last bit of water in the waste tank,
the macerator wouldn't work.
ARGH!
But finally back in town with the long weekend, I spent nearly a whole
day working on the coach, for the first time in a couple of years
(excepting the time at Bean Station).
First, the Fantastic Fan. I discovered that only the lid has the
lifetime warranty. So, I got on eBay and found a new model 6600
(motorized, rain sensor, remote, thermostatically controlled, snap-out
screen) for a little under $200. I installed that today, and the only
issue with that was when I tugged on a the wire emerging from the edge
of the ceiling panel, it came out in my hands. I had to remove the
strip that holds on the panel and fish the wire from the back, but in
so doing replaced a couple of poorly made crimp joints. The fan works
wonderfully, and I'm looking forward to being able to leave the fan on
at night and maybe not being awakened by cold and damp at 4 in the
morning to turn off the fan. The rain sensor is sensitive--it was
triggered by today's hyper-humidity (just a couple of degrees above
the dew point, it seemed like). That may be a bit too sensitive--I'll
have to get more experience with it.
I installed the fan with butyl tape instead of the foam gasket it
comes with. I learned that lesson with the previous fan.
My only beef with the fan is the pop-off screen, which is held in
place with tabs that grip too aggressively, and I'm scared I'll break
it when trying to remove it. I've already broken off one of the tabs
trying to put it back on.
The old fan's actuator arm broke off, sheering the shaft on which it
rides. I'll use it for parts.
Autozone provided me with a new alternator to replace the failed one,
which their test machine laughed at (FAIL! FAIL! FAIL!). I installed
the new one and it works perfectly--for the moment. I keep thinking I
ought to replace my light-bulb current-limiting resistor that we put
in place of the nicrome wire circuit at Bean Station, but it's nice to
have a built-in indicator which is easy to see if I open the
fuse-block cover. On the alternator, my fingers are crossed. Maybe
this one will last more than 80 miles.
For the combiner, I corresponded with Ann-Marie Foster at Yandina, and
she told me that my early C50 (West Marine labeling) was still covered
under warranty and they would replace it with a similar model. Given
that I fried it through sheer stupidity on my part, I just didn't feel
right about that, so she sold me a brand new C100 (instead of a refurb
C50) for $43 including shipping, well under the usual discounted
price. I installed that today, and it combines a bit more aggressively
than the old C50, and at a slightly lower voltage (about 12.95 volts).
I prefer that--it will stay combined even during the trickle-charge
stage of my converter. But it cycles a bit during the period when a
fresh surface charge is bleeding off.
Finally, I messed with the macerator. It's blowing fuses, so I removed
the end cap and turned the shaft with a screwdriver. It then ran for
about a second and then started making an unhappy sound with no
pumping. I suspect the impeller has lost its teeth. But the thing was
on the coach before the PO bought it (he didn't even know it was
there), so it's at least a dozen years old. I'll probably go ahead and
replace it. Can't live without a macerator!
Rick "who might finish the new cruise control installation on Monday,
in preparation for a trip in two weeks" Denney
--
'73 230 "Jaws"
Northern Virginia
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Rob M. (USAussie)
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Re: [GMCnet] It's all breaking at once... [message #170938 is a reply to message #170932] |
Sun, 27 May 2012 04:22 |
emerystora
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On May 26, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Richard Denney <rwdenney@gmail.com> wrote:
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> First, the Fantastic Fan. I discovered that only the lid has the
> lifetime warranty.
That has not been my experience. Did The Fantastic company tell you that?
I have two of them. The first I purchased in 1985. So far over the years, they have replaced FREE the motor, the fan blade, the small motor that raises the lid (twice), the interior trim, and a lid.
On the second fan which I purchased in about 1995 they have replaced the actuator motor, a lid, and the electronic module.
All of this was done at no charge.
Have they changed their policy in the last couple of years?
Emery Stora
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Re: [GMCnet] It's all breaking at once... [message #170940 is a reply to message #170932] |
Sun, 27 May 2012 07:36 |
Don A
Messages: 895 Registered: October 2008 Location: Dallas, TX
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<<< "who might finish the new cruise control installation on Monday, in preparation for a trip in two weeks" >>>
Thanks Rick, for the informative and entertaining writeup.
I would like to also read about your cruise control installation. Mine was removed and I'm trying to decide the best option.
Don Adams Dallas, TX
'76 26' Glenbrook, '90 Sidekick
rebuilt by R Archer, powered by J Bounds, Koba [IMG]http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6109/G2.jpg[/IMG]
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Re: [GMCnet] It's all breaking at once... [message #170941 is a reply to message #170938] |
Sun, 27 May 2012 07:52 |
Ken Henderson
Messages: 8726 Registered: March 2004 Location: Americus, GA
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There goes the "we're not going to change anything" promise by the new
owners. :-(
Ken H.
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:22 AM, Emery Stora wrote:
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> On May 26, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Richard Denney <rwdenney@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > First, the Fantastic Fan. I discovered that only the lid has the
> > lifetime warranty.
>
> That has not been my experience. Did The Fantastic company tell you that?
>
> I have two of them. The first I purchased in 1985. So far over the years,
> they have replaced FREE the motor, the fan blade, the small motor that
> raises the lid (twice), the interior trim, and a lid.
>
> On the second fan which I purchased in about 1995 they have replaced the
> actuator motor, a lid, and the electronic module.
>
> All of this was done at no charge.
>
> Have they changed their policy in the last couple of years?
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] It's all breaking at once... [message #170945 is a reply to message #170932] |
Sun, 27 May 2012 08:13 |
JohnL455
Messages: 4447 Registered: October 2006 Location: Woodstock, IL
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Rick my general understanding of Fantastic from postings here is that aide from what the warranty says on paper, they are really nice and will replace just about anything free charge.
If you replace the light bulb resistor Sylvania has the LL series "Long Life" for a little more money and that might be good piece of mind on such a small item.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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Re: [GMCnet] It's all breaking at once... [message #170994 is a reply to message #170932] |
Sun, 27 May 2012 18:23 |
bobby5832708
Messages: 237 Registered: November 2006 Location: Winter Springs FL
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"I am not a fan of this mod - must use a 10 ohm , not the 100 that some use.
- hard to test. Cannot remove.
- 100 ohm will not start the alternator
- will always wonder if mod caused a problem"
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I installed a 100 ohm 10 watt resistor when I bought my GMC in 2006. The 100 ohm resistor works fine, both with the alternator that came with the GMC, and then with an Autozone 7157 alternator I replaced it with a couple of years later.
The dash light works properly, the alternator starts up immediately, and the charging system works fine. Even with the dash light removed the alternator starts and works fine as indicated by a voltmeter. If the "100 ohm will not start the alternator" then obviously I'm doing something wrong!
Bob Heller
2017 Winnebago 29VE
Winter Springs FL
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Re: [GMCnet] It's all breaking at once... [message #171002 is a reply to message #170994] |
Sun, 27 May 2012 19:17 |
Ken Henderson
Messages: 8726 Registered: March 2004 Location: Americus, GA
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Bob,
Some alternators will have enough residual magnetism to start with NO
active initial excitation -- a combination of the metal's characteristics,
the lay of the windings in the stator and field, and the clearances between
them. But the factory specified 10 Ohms for a reason -- it should enable
virtually all alternator samples to begin producing current at idle. 100
Ohms may work for 68% or 95% of sample alternators, but probably not
3-sigma of 99.7%. Since yours works fine, great, but for most folks 10
Ohms is probably more appropriate -- it's easier to install a 10 Ohm
resistor in the first place than it is to replace a 100 Ohm one if it turns
out to be unsatisfactory.
JMHO,
Ken H.
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Bob Heller wrote:
> ...
> I installed a 100 ohm 10 watt resistor when I bought my GMC in 2006. The
> 100 ohm resistor works fine, both with the alternator that came with the
> GMC, and then with an Autozone 7157 alternator I replaced it with a couple
> of years later.
>
...
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Re: [GMCnet] It's all breaking at once... [message #171019 is a reply to message #170938] |
Sun, 27 May 2012 20:44 |
Richard Denney
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On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:22 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
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> That has not been my experience. Did The Fantastic company tell you that?
They say it now:
http://www.fantasticvent.com/faq/knowledge_base/warranty/warranty.html
They show a two-year warranty on defects, though somewhere else I saw
a two-year warranty on everything except the lid. They did replace my
previous lid once a couple of years ago without question or charge,
though I was never happy with the way it operated with the old lever
arm (which may have been a problem with that lever arm that was about
to fail, or a version mismatch).
In any case, I got a replacement that upgraded me to the fancier model
for no more than the upgrade kit costs at most places. When I was able
to get that price, I decided not to try to make a big deal about it
with Fantastic Vent. I decided to just start over.
But if I can repair the old one, I might, for use in the bathroom.
I'll deal with that in the fullness of time.
Rick "who often has to make things happen using late-night emails and
web purchases" Denney
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'73 230 "Jaws"
Northern Virginia
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Re: [GMCnet] It's all breaking at once... [message #171021 is a reply to message #171019] |
Sun, 27 May 2012 20:50 |
Robert Burkitt
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I just hate to have the group think that the company no longer backs their product as before. In my experience, they do and should get credit for it.
I will check with them to see if there has been a change in policy and post the results.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Denney" <rwdenney@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] It's all breaking at once...
> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:22 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> That has not been my experience. Did The Fantastic company tell you that?
>
> They say it now:
> http://www.fantasticvent.com/faq/knowledge_base/warranty/warranty.html
>
> They show a two-year warranty on defects, though somewhere else I saw
> a two-year warranty on everything except the lid. They did replace my
> previous lid once a couple of years ago without question or charge,
> though I was never happy with the way it operated with the old lever
> arm (which may have been a problem with that lever arm that was about
> to fail, or a version mismatch).
>
> In any case, I got a replacement that upgraded me to the fancier model
> for no more than the upgrade kit costs at most places. When I was able
> to get that price, I decided not to try to make a big deal about it
> with Fantastic Vent. I decided to just start over.
>
> But if I can repair the old one, I might, for use in the bathroom.
> I'll deal with that in the fullness of time.
>
> Rick "who often has to make things happen using late-night emails and
> web purchases" Denney
>
> --
> '73 230 "Jaws"
> Northern Virginia
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Re: [GMCnet] It's all breaking at once... [message #171023 is a reply to message #171021] |
Sun, 27 May 2012 21:00 |
C Boyd
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Sir: when I called I was told to pay the shipping to him and he would fix it and pay return shpping. He sent me a new one.
Robert Burkitt wrote on Sun, 27 May 2012 21:50 | I just hate to have the group think that the company no longer backs their product as before. In my experience, they do and should get credit for it.
I will check with them to see if there has been a change in policy and post the results.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Denney" <rwdenney@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] It's all breaking at once...
> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:22 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> That has not been my experience. Did The Fantastic company tell you that?
>
> They say it now:
> http://www.fantasticvent.com/faq/knowledge_base/warranty/warranty.html
>
> They show a two-year warranty on defects, though somewhere else I saw
> a two-year warranty on everything except the lid. They did replace my
> previous lid once a couple of years ago without question or charge,
> though I was never happy with the way it operated with the old lever
> arm (which may have been a problem with that lever arm that was about
> to fail, or a version mismatch).
>
> In any case, I got a replacement that upgraded me to the fancier model
> for no more than the upgrade kit costs at most places. When I was able
> to get that price, I decided not to try to make a big deal about it
> with Fantastic Vent. I decided to just start over.
>
> But if I can repair the old one, I might, for use in the bathroom.
> I'll deal with that in the fullness of time.
>
> Rick "who often has to make things happen using late-night emails and
> web purchases" Denney
>
> --
> '73 230 "Jaws"
> Northern Virginia
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Re: [GMCnet] It's all breaking at once... [message #171024 is a reply to message #171023] |
Sun, 27 May 2012 21:17 |
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Messages: 1434 Registered: February 2004 Location: Alpine CA
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I called them last month about one of my screens being discolored.
I was told to go buy a new one at Camper World.
So much for free replacements.
Howard
26' Canyon Lands
Alpine Ca
PS I don't shop Camper World unless I have to.
Pricing way to high
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Boyd" <covered-wagon@comcast.net>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 19:00
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] It's all breaking at once...
>
>
> Sir: when I called I was told to pay the shipping to him and he would fix
> it and pay return shpping. He sent me a new one.
>
> Robert Burkitt wrote on Sun, 27 May 2012 21:50
>> I just hate to have the group think that the company no longer backs
>> their product as before. In my experience, they do and should get credit
>> for it.
>>
>> I will check with them to see if there has been a change in policy and
>> post the results.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Richard Denney" <rwdenney@gmail.com>
>> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] It's all breaking at once...
>>
>>
>> > On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:22 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That has not been my experience. Did The Fantastic company tell you
>> >> that?
>> >
>> > They say it now:
>> > http://www.fantasticvent.com/faq/knowledge_base/warranty/warranty.html
>> >
>> > They show a two-year warranty on defects, though somewhere else I saw
>> > a two-year warranty on everything except the lid. They did replace my
>> > previous lid once a couple of years ago without question or charge,
>> > though I was never happy with the way it operated with the old lever
>> > arm (which may have been a problem with that lever arm that was about
>> > to fail, or a version mismatch).
>> >
>> > In any case, I got a replacement that upgraded me to the fancier model
>> > for no more than the upgrade kit costs at most places. When I was able
>> > to get that price, I decided not to try to make a big deal about it
>> > with Fantastic Vent. I decided to just start over.
>> >
>> > But if I can repair the old one, I might, for use in the bathroom.
>> > I'll deal with that in the fullness of time.
>> >
>> > Rick "who often has to make things happen using late-night emails and
>> > web purchases" Denney
>> >
>> > --
>> > '73 230 "Jaws"
>> > Northern Virginia
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> 76 Crestmont by Midas
> East Tennessee
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Re: [GMCnet] It's all breaking at once... [message #171058 is a reply to message #170940] |
Mon, 28 May 2012 09:03 |
Richard Denney
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On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Don Adams <dj.adams@att.net> wrote:
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> Thanks Rick, for the informative and entertaining writeup.
> I would like to also read about your cruise control installation. Mine was removed and I'm trying to decide the best option.
I'm installing a Rostra electronic cruise control that I bought at the
last International rally I attended, which was at Harrington,
Delaware. It takes me a while to get around to things, sometimes.
The Rostra unit includes a control head, a switch unit (for the
steering colunn), and a speed transducer. I'm about two-thirds into
the installation. Using the pit time at Bean Station, I installed the
transducer, and ran its twisted-pair lead wire up through the
insulating sock I have over the speedo cable to protect the wire from
the heat of the headers. That bit worked--no meltage on the drive home
from Bean Station.
The control head has a rubber cover, under which lies a row of dip
switchings that are used for programming its features. I figured I
might want to fiddle with the programming, so I bent the mounting
bracked at right angles so the control head would hang from the
cockpit floor such that the rubber cover was accessible without
removing the unit. (I'd probably need a mirror to see the switches,
though.) That unit has a bowden cable for attaching to the throttle,
which I have not yet attached. And it has a wiring harness that goes
up into the dash area for connection to the turn-stalk switch, power,
and the brake-light circuit. I've run that into the cockpit but
haven't yet wired it up. Maybe later today. I have already installed
the turn stalk switch.
Rick "trying now to recover from a major power outage" Denney
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Northern Virginia
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