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Sat, 19 May 2012 17:43

gbarrow2

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Any one have experience with the Smev 2 burner cooktop? Multiple sellers and various prices on ebay.

I am replacing my counter top and magic chef stove/oven.

Since I'll have a new counter I thought I would change to a drop in cooktop instead of the slide in configuration an install a microwave/convection oven under the counter. I have the oven but still need cooktop before installing counter.

I like the high output sealed burners of the Smev unit. The old Macic Chef took for ever to boil water.

Comments, suggestions please.

Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach

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Sat, 19 May 2012 18:04

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There is a solution to the poor performance of the Magic Chef burner.

Drill the front burner orifice with a #68 drill bit to increase the BTU from 5200 to approx. 7500.

This really lets you boil water much faster and is also great for stir fry and other things where you need a hot pan.
Several people did this when I first posted it a few years back and are very pleased with the increased performanced.
If you like spaghetti or other pasta it let you do it in about the same time as on your home stove.
I do not recommend doing the rear burners as that is putting a lot of heat close to the wall.

You can see a picture of the three burners here. Those 3 burners are the same size but look at the difference in the flames on the front one.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/new-stove-top-for-magic-chef-stove/p5233.html

The front burner puts out a lot more heat.

Emery Stora

On May 19, 2012, at 4:43 PM, gene barrow wrote:

>
>
> Any one have experience with the Smev 2 burner cooktop? Multiple sellers and various prices on ebay.
>
> I am replacing my counter top and magic chef stove/oven.
>
> Since I'll have a new counter I thought I would change to a drop in cooktop instead of the slide in configuration an install a microwave/convection oven under the counter. I have the oven but still need cooktop before installing counter.
>
> I like the high output sealed burners of the Smev unit. The old Macic Chef took for ever to boil water.
>
> Comments, suggestions please.
> --
> Gene Barrow
> Lake Almanor, Ca.
> 1976 Palm Beach

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Re: [GMCnet] Smev Cooktop Ebay [message #170205 is a reply to message #170204]

Sat, 19 May 2012 18:11

gbarrow2

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Thanks Emery,
Great suggestion; but too late for me.
I already removed the stove and shipped it to Bruce hart in Colorado. And I needed to remove the stove to make room for the micro/convection.

Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach

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Re: [GMCnet] Smev Cooktop Ebay [message #170210 is a reply to message #170204]

Sat, 19 May 2012 18:50

USAussie

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Gene,

Emery told me about this mod and so I drilled out the jet for the left rear burner in Double Trouble.

HOWEVER, it gets so hot that it discolors the stainless steel shield that stands up behind that burner.

I am going to take the jet out of that burner and put it in the left front burner as that is further from the ss shield. I reckon it
is far enough from the bathroom wall not to cause any problems.

Here's a link to a picture that shows the position of the cooktop in Double Trouble:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/galley-pull-out-drawers/p39533-pull-out-drawers.html

You can see the discoloration of the SS shield.

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Emery Stora

There is a solution to the poor performance of the Magic Chef burner.

Drill the front burner orifice with a #68 drill bit to increase the BTU from 5200 to approx. 7500.

This really lets you boil water much faster and is also great for stir fry and other things where you need a hot pan.
Several people did this when I first posted it a few years back and are very pleased with the increased performanced.
If you like spaghetti or other pasta it let you do it in about the same time as on your home stove.
I do not recommend doing the rear burners as that is putting a lot of heat close to the wall.

You can see a picture of the three burners here. Those 3 burners are the same size but look at the difference in the flames on the
front one.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/new-stove-top-for-magic-chef-stove/p5233.html

The front burner puts out a lot more heat.

Emery Stora

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Re: [GMCnet] Smev Cooktop Ebay [message #170211 is a reply to message #170205]

Sat, 19 May 2012 18:53

USAussie

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Gene,

If you look at the picture in my last email you will note the Sharp microwave under the cooktop and the "plug" in the control panel
for the oven.

They are two separate units and can be unbolted.

This is a Suburban unit, I don't know if it is the same with a Magic Chef.

Regards,
Rob M.

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From: gene barrow

Thanks Emery,
Great suggestion; but too late for me.
I already removed the stove and shipped it to Bruce hart in Colorado. And I needed to remove the stove to make room for the
micro/convection.
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Re: [GMCnet] Smev Cooktop Ebay [message #170223 is a reply to message #170211]

Sat, 19 May 2012 20:18

gbarrow2

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Rob,
Good idea- separating the oven and cooktop. But as with Emery's suggestion, it's too late for me. My stove has already been shipped to Bruce Hart in Colorado. If he see's this thread he can implement Emery's improvement.

Back to your coach. What is the countertop in your picture. It looks like wood with wood edge trim. Is that correct.

My 1975 23' Avion had a wood grained laminate counter top with the typical flat laminate edges.
Yours looks different; like cabinet grade plywood.

Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach

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Re: [GMCnet] Smev Cooktop Ebay [message #170228 is a reply to message #170223]

Sat, 19 May 2012 20:31

USAussie

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Gene,

The countertop is the same as the one in your '23 Avion, laminate.

Since you owned a '23 Avion could you clarify just how the double bed up front worked?

Did it have a fold out frame like this:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Modular-Couch-fold-out-bed-/120915493107?pt=AU_SofasCouches&hash=item1c272000f3

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: gene barrow

Rob,
Good idea- separating the oven and cooktop. But as with Emery's suggestion, it's too late for me. My stove has already been shipped
to Bruce Hart in Colorado. If he see's this thread he can implement Emery's improvement.

Back to your coach. What is the countertop in your picture. It looks like wood with wood edge trim. Is that correct.

My 1975 23' Avion had a wood grained laminate counter top with the typical flat laminate edges.
Yours looks different; like cabinet grade plywood.
--
Gene

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Re: [GMCnet] Smev Cooktop Ebay [message #170272 is a reply to message #170228]

Sun, 20 May 2012 09:17

gbarrow2

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Rob,
I have an old album on the photo site called The Joad Coach and the Short Bus.

The short bus is the 23' Avion. There is an interior night photo of the sofa/folding bed.

After removing the cusions the sofa base couuld be unfolded out toward the entry door.

The base was 3{IIRC) hinged sections of 1/2" plywood which when deployed were supported by short wooden legs. The platform was only about 6 inches above the floor. The sofa cushions served as the mattress.

When deployed the bed extended almost the full width of the coach and blocked the doorway.

It was a minor PIA to unfold and refold the bed and to enter or exit the coach with the bed extended.

So, the short answer is the original sofa/bed is not quite like the one in your picture.

I have never seen another 23' Avion don't know if others had the same bed.

Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach

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Re: [GMCnet] Smev Cooktop Ebay [message #170279 is a reply to message #170272]

Sun, 20 May 2012 09:56

USAussie

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Gene,

I tried to find the album but all I can find under gbarrow is some photos of a valve / actuator.

Thanks, you have confirmed what I suspected. I have seen photos of a '23 Avion for sale over in North (or was it South) Carolina and
it appeared that the bed fit your description.

I was hoping that it was a fold out bed as that way you could leave it made up and just fold it away when you arose.

Regards,
Rob M.
�
-----Original Message-----
From: gene barrow

Rob,
I have an old album on the photo site called The Joad Coach and the Short Bus.

The short bus is the 23' Avion. There is an interior night photo of the sofa/folding bed.

After removing the cusions the sofa base couuld be unfolded out toward the entry door.

The base was 3{IIRC) hinged sections of 1/2" plywood which when deployed were supported by short wooden legs. The platform was only
about 6 inches above the floor. The sofa cushions served as the mattress.

When deployed the bed extended almost the full width of the coach and blocked the doorway.

It was a minor PIA to unfold and refold the bed and to enter or exit the coach with the bed extended.

So, the short answer is the original sofa/bed is not quite like the one in your picture.

I have never seen another 23' Avion don't know if others had the same bed.
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23 foot Avion WAS: Smev Cooktop Ebay [message #170288 is a reply to message #170279]

Sun, 20 May 2012 11:03

mike miller

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It was NORTH Carolina. (Skip the next link if all you want is pictures.)

<http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=tree&goto=100353#page_top>

Pictures I collected: <http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5604-1975-23-foot-avion.html>

Pictures Richard Sowers drove up to take:
<https://picasaweb.google.com/116133311780080773161/Avion23>

I figure it shouldn't be THAT hard to put a folding bed in a couch like the one Rob linked to. A LOT harder, but would make the layout really work well would be a slide-out on the driver's side.

Robert Mueller wrote on Sun, 20 May 2012 07:56

Gene,

I tried to find the album but all I can find under gbarrow is some photos of a valve / actuator.

Thanks, you have confirmed what I suspected. I have seen photos of a '23 Avion for sale over in North (or was it South) Carolina and
it appeared that the bed fit your description.

I was hoping that it was a fold out bed as that way you could leave it made up and just fold it away when you arose.

Regards,
Rob M.
�
-----Original Message-----
From: gene barrow

Rob,
I have an old album on the photo site called The Joad Coach and the Short Bus.

The short bus is the 23' Avion. There is an interior night photo of the sofa/folding bed.

After removing the cusions the sofa base couuld be unfolded out toward the entry door.

The base was 3{IIRC) hinged sections of 1/2" plywood which when deployed were supported by short wooden legs. The platform was only
about 6 inches above the floor. The sofa cushions served as the mattress.

When deployed the bed extended almost the full width of the coach and blocked the doorway.

It was a minor PIA to unfold and refold the bed and to enter or exit the coach with the bed extended.

So, the short answer is the original sofa/bed is not quite like the one in your picture.

I have never seen another 23' Avion don't know if others had the same bed.
--

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(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
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Re: [GMCnet] Smev Cooktop Ebay [message #170294 is a reply to message #170204]

Sun, 20 May 2012 11:49

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Would it work to also stop down one of the rear ones with a smaller orifice?� Mine don't regulate well, the valves tend to be on or off, and will creep.� If I can use a smaller orifice, I'd heave a better breakfast burner while enhancing the corn burner as well.
�
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Smev Cooktop Ebay

There is a solution to the poor performance of the Magic Chef burner.

Drill the front burner orifice with a #68 drill bit to increase the BTU from 5200 to approx. 7500.

This really lets you boil water much faster and is also great for stir fry and other things where you need a hot pan.
Several people did this when I first posted it a few years back and are very pleased with the increased performanced.
If you like spaghetti or other pasta it let you do it in about the same time as on your home stove.
I do not recommend doing the rear burners as that is putting a lot of heat close to the wall.

You can see a picture of the three burners here.� Those 3 burners are the same size but look at the difference in the flames on the front one.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/new-stove-top-for-magic-chef-stove/p5233.html

The front burner puts out a lot more heat.

Emery Stora

On May 19, 2012, at 4:43 PM, gene barrow wrote:

>
>
> Any one have experience with the Smev 2 burner cooktop? Multiple sellers and various prices on ebay.
>
> I am replacing my counter top and magic chef stove/oven.
>
> Since I'll have a new counter I thought I would change to a drop in cooktop instead of the slide in configuration an install a microwave/convection oven under the counter. I have the oven but still need cooktop before installing counter.
>
> I like the high output sealed burners of the Smev unit. The old Macic Chef took for ever to boil water.
>
> Comments, suggestions please.
> --
> Gene Barrow
> Lake Almanor, Ca.
> 1976 Palm Beach

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Re: [GMCnet] Smev Cooktop Ebay [message #170295 is a reply to message #170294]

Sun, 20 May 2012 12:00

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On May 20, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Johnny Bridges <jhbridges@ymail.com> wrote:

> Would it work to also stop down one of the rear ones with a smaller orifice? Mine don't regulate well, the valves tend to be on or off, and will creep. If I can use a smaller orifice, I'd heave a better breakfast burner while enhancing the corn burner as well.
>
> --johnny
>
Take the valves apart and clean them up. If they at scratched clean then up with very fine wet or dry paper (4000 grit).

Use a lubricant when reassembling. I have used stopper lube which can be purchased at a lab supply house. I suppose you could use a very thick grease.

That should take care of your problems.

Emery Stora
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Re: [GMCnet] Smev Cooktop Ebay [message #170313 is a reply to message #170204]

Sun, 20 May 2012 16:14

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emerystora wrote on Sat, 19 May 2012 16:04

There is a solution to the poor performance of the Magic Chef burner.

Drill the front burner orifice with a #68 drill bit to increase the BTU from 5200 to approx. 7500.

This really lets you boil water much faster and is also great for stir fry and other things where you need a hot pan.
Several people did this when I first posted it a few years back and are very pleased with the increased performanced.
If you like spaghetti or other pasta it let you do it in about the same time as on your home stove.
I do not recommend doing the rear burners as that is putting a lot of heat close to the wall.

You can see a picture of the three burners here. Those 3 burners are the same size but look at the difference in the flames on the front one.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/new-stove-top-for-magic-chef-stove/p5233.html

The front burner puts out a lot more heat.

Emery Stora

This is a GREAT modification which I have made on my Airstream Magic Chef ranges now. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to boil water for Pasta or any fast cooking. Thanks agin Emery!

Rob Allen
former owner of '76 x-PB

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Re: [GMCnet] Smev Cooktop Ebay [message #170314 is a reply to message #170313]

Sun, 20 May 2012 16:18

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Somebody commented that the #68 drill-out
made TOO MUCH flame. Might be a good idea
to try a #71 first and see if larger is
needed??

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> emerystora wrote on Sat, 19 May 2012 16:04
> > There is a solution to the poor performance of the Magic Chef burner.
> >
> > Drill the front burner orifice with a #68 drill bit to increase the BTU from 5200 to approx. 7500.
> >
> > This really lets you boil water much faster and is also great for stir fry and other things where you need a hot pan.
> > Several people did this when I first posted it a few years back and are very pleased with the increased performanced.
> > If you like spaghetti or other pasta it let you do it in about the same time as on your home stove.
> > I do not recommend doing the rear burners as that is putting a lot of heat close to the wall.
> >
> > You can see a picture of the three burners here. Those 3 burners are the same size but look at the difference in the flames on the front one.
> >
> > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/new-stove-top-for-magic-chef-stove/p5233.html
> >
> > The front burner puts out a lot more heat.
> >
> > Emery Stora

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Re: [GMCnet] Smev Cooktop Ebay [message #170315 is a reply to message #170313]

Sun, 20 May 2012 16:56

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Yeahbut,

WHAT ABOUT MY ORIGIMAL QUESTION?

Any body have or ever seen or used one of the Smev cooktops?

I no longer have a stove to make modifications to. I need to buy a new one.

Thanks

Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach

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Re: [GMCnet] Smev Cooktop Ebay [message #170317 is a reply to message #170314]

Sun, 20 May 2012 17:03

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On May 20, 2012, at 3:18 PM, D C *Mac* Macdonald wrote:

>
> Somebody commented that the #68 drill-out
> made TOO MUCH flame. Might be a good idea
> to try a #71 first and see if larger is
> needed??
>
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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Who is "somebody"? Many people have done it and no one has told me that it was too much flame.
Perhaps somebody had their pressure regulator too high.

Emery Stora

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Re: [GMCnet] Smev Cooktop Ebay [message #170319 is a reply to message #170317]

Sun, 20 May 2012 17:23

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Emery,
See Rob Mueller's post above. "Too hot"

Gene Barrow
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Re: [GMCnet] Smev Cooktop Ebay [message #170324 is a reply to message #170317]

Sun, 20 May 2012 17:45

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Emery,

I mentioned that I drilled out the jet for the left rear burner which caused the stainless steel shield between it and the window to
discolor, perhaps that's what Mac means?

For the record the flame "size" is fine, the fact that we use a large pot for pasta which hangs over the burner and its vertical
side is in close proximity to the stainless shield forces the heat that is escaping from under it close enough to the shield to
discolor it.

If you have a Suburban cook top DON'T drill out either of the rear burner jets.

As noted in my previous email I will be moving the jet from the left rear to the left front.

Regards,
Rob M.
�

-----Original Message-----
From: Emery Stora

Who is "somebody"? Many people have done it and no one has told me that it was too much flame.
Perhaps somebody had their pressure regulator too high.

Emery

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Sun, 20 May 2012 18:51

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Yea, Gene, I am aware of Rob's message.

HOWEVER I said in the instructions not to put it on a back burner as it would be too hot and too close to a wall.
Rob put it on a back burner and found that out but he is now moving it to a front burner away from a wall.

I have not had anyone tell me it was too hot who followed my instructions.

Emery Stora

On May 20, 2012, at 4:23 PM, gene barrow wrote:

>
>
> Emery,
> See Rob Mueller's post above. "Too hot"
> --
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Re: [GMCnet] Smev Cooktop Ebay [message #170338 is a reply to message #170315]

Sun, 20 May 2012 19:48

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gbarrow wrote on Sun, 20 May 2012 16:56

Yeahbut,

WHAT ABOUT MY ORIGIMAL QUESTION?

Any body have or ever seen or used one of the Smev cooktops?

I no longer have a stove to make modifications to. I need to buy a new one.

Thanks

Gene,

Yes, we have that cooktop installed. Here is an album I published sometime back.

<http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/kitchen-upgrades/p39613-kitchen-upgrades.html>

We like the fold down glass that provides additional counter space. The model we have accepts two pots (a small and medium size) but only one very large pan/pot (which I don't carry in the RV). We have never experienced any problems with heating from this stove. Seems to work well for our needs. They have several models - we have the "teardrop" model. I believe SMEV has been bought out by Dometic. I see them for sale under both names.

We found these as surplus at CoLaws RV salvage near Joplin, MO for around $88.00. The last time we were there, they still had a couple left but they may be gone by now. We also have the matching sink with the fold down lid that we plan on installing.

Randy & Margie
'77 Eleganza II '403'
Battlefield, MO

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