Home » Public Forums » GMCnet » GMCMI Tech Session? (One ton upper control arm)
| GMCMI Tech Session? [message #169677] |
Mon, 14 May 2012 23:11  |
Kirk
Messages: 80
Registered: April 2008
Karma: 0
|
Member |
|
|
Can someone tell us about this presentation? "Upper Control Arm Modifications for the 1-ton Front End – Bob Drewes" There wasn't anything in the GMCMI members section.
Kirk & Eloise Yeager -
Motorcyclists/RVers/Dog Lovers -
77 Royale 455/TBI/3:55 -
49ers - N. Nevada -
NdnKirk at Gmail dot com
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI Tech Session? [message #169692 is a reply to message #169677] |
Tue, 15 May 2012 00:13  |
powerjon
Messages: 2446
Registered: January 2004
Karma: 5
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Kirk,
Bob Drewes put on an informal session with a few pictures and a lot of
Q&A. You should contact him directly as he follows the GMC Net. Not
all tech session are video taped or done in powerpoint. As with all
tech sessions it is up to the presenter if it makes it on line at the
GMCMI Tech Seminar Handout Archive. GMCMI has started taping the tech
sessions at the presenter permission and these MAY be made available
in the future at a nominal charge for materials and shipping.
JR Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMC Eastern States
GMCMHI
78 Buskirk 30' Stretch
1975 Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
On May 15, 2012, at 12:11 AM, Kirk wrote:
>
>
> Can someone tell us about this presentation? "Upper Control Arm
> Modifications for the 1-ton Front End – Bob Drewes" There
> wasn't anything in the GMCMI members section.
> --
> Kirk & Eloise Yeager -
> Motorcyclists/RVers/Dog Lovers -
> 77 Royale 455/TBI/3:55 -
> 49ers - N. Nevada -
> NdnKirk at Gmail dot com
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
J.R. Wright
GMC GreatLaker
GMC Eastern States
GMCMI
78 30' Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion Under Reconstruction
Michigan
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI Tech Session? [message #169694 is a reply to message #169686] |
Tue, 15 May 2012 00:23 |
powerjon
Messages: 2446
Registered: January 2004
Karma: 5
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Gene,
You get exactly what you pay for! 4 newsletters a year (now online in
color ), parts interchange ( when just came in the mail today ),
Membership directory and updates, club news and information and access
to the club website. You DO have to go to rallies to get some of the
information at the tech seminars because that information is the
property of the presenter and not GMCMI. It only appears on the
website at the permission of the presenter. I would suspect in the
future that more of the Seminars will be available in Power Point and
on Video. So you do get what you pay for.
JR Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMC Eastern States
GMCMHI
78 Buskirk 30' Stretch
1975 Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
On May 15, 2012, at 12:30 AM, mr.erfisher@gmail.com wrote:
> Been a member for 20 years and I get nothing for my money ---sucks
> Gene
>
> FREE WIFI @ Mickey D
>
>
>
>
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
J.R. Wright
GMC GreatLaker
GMC Eastern States
GMCMI
78 30' Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion Under Reconstruction
Michigan
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI Tech Session? [message #169706 is a reply to message #169694] |
Tue, 15 May 2012 05:45 |
Mr ERFisher
Messages: 7117
Registered: August 2005
Karma: 2
|
Senior Member |
|
|
just not true
for a tech guy, there is almost nothing
attending an East Coast Rally, is a luxury that most of the 800 members
just do not have.
makes me wonder why vendors no longer go to GMCMI
JimB, Curits, Manny, MrC. SteveF, --sigh-
GMCMI is loosing sight of the International role....
I feel strongly there needs to be an International GMC , but withholding
presentations, not publishing, and staying east of the MDL, is just not
going to do it.,
makes me real sad....it is going back to the old Dark days, before Emery
led them out of the wilderness.
'
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:23 PM, John Wright <powerjon@chartermi.net>wrote:
> Gene,
> You get exactly what you pay for! 4 newsletters a year (now online in
> color ), parts interchange ( when just came in the mail today ),
> Membership directory and updates, club news and information and access
> to the club website. You DO have to go to rallies to get some of the
> information at the tech seminars because that information is the
> property of the presenter and not GMCMI.
this is just BS, the presenters want their info published, that is why they
exist.
do you know that none of us know:
Lenzi introduced new products
Why Patterson only does 455, and 403 's and what he does to them
What is new in lower control arms
What new products were introduced at the rally
even - even- what vendors were there and what new products were introduced
???
and
and
the "good-old-guys" of GMCMI have copies of Patterson's, and Lenzi's and
Gene's, slides, it is just us dues paying members, who do not have copies.
> It only appears on the
> website at the permission of the presenter. I would suspect in the
> future that more of the Seminars will be available in Power Point and
> on Video.
> So you do get what you pay for.
>
so sorry this is not true - any more -
JMHO
speaking of tech info.
what is going on with your club web site?, there used to be great tech,
articles there, I could not find them yesterday
gene
Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
-------
http://gmcmotorhome.info/
Alternator Protection Cable
http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI Tech Session? [message #169716 is a reply to message #169706] |
Tue, 15 May 2012 07:51 |
 |
Matt Colie
Messages: 8547
Registered: March 2007
Location: S.E. Michigan
Karma: 7
|
Senior Member |
|
|
| Mr ERFisher wrote on Tue, 15 May 2012 06:45 |
just not true
for a tech guy, there is almost nothing
attending an East Coast Rally, is a luxury that most of the 800 members
just do not have.
makes me wonder why vendors no longer go to GMCMI
JimB, Curits, Manny, MrC. SteveF, --sigh-
GMCMI is loosing sight of the International role....
I feel strongly there needs to be an International GMC , but withholding
presentations, not publishing, and staying east of the MDL, is just not
going to do it.,
makes me real sad....it is going back to the old Dark days, before Emery
led them out of the wilderness.
|
Gene,
I guess I do understand what you want, I run into it all the time. It is called Caliscentracism. It is the syndrome that I have seen often. It is basically the fact that many Californians believe that their part of the world is so special that there just can't be anything east of Las Vegas that merits any attention.
Just for your own personal edification, Shawnee was about an hundred miles CLOSER to LA than it was to NYC. The fact that you think of that or Amana as an East Coast event is very telling. I will admit that Amana favors us "East Coast" people by about the same as Shawnee favored "West Coast" but I doubt that you will want to come that far north.
I'm sorry you think you get nothing for your membership but, I don't agree. I got along for the first few years without GMCMI and the interchange book. Just that book is worth the 30$us a year to me.
Gene, your site is a value to the other owners. It is unfortunate that you don't see that other values out here.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI Tech Session? [message #169719 is a reply to message #169716] |
Tue, 15 May 2012 08:02 |
tphipps
Messages: 3005
Registered: August 2004
Location: Spanish Fort, AL
Karma: 9
|
Senior Member |
|
|
GMCMI also provides liability insurance as an umbrella arm of FMCA. Without this insurance, no club could afford to exist, and no club sponsored rallies would exist. Greedy tort lawyers have ruined many forms of what used to pass for normal daily living.
"First, we kill all the lawyers-", W. Shakespeare.
Tom Phipps,
MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG
|
|
|
|
| Re: GMCMI Tech Session? [message #169723 is a reply to message #169677] |
Tue, 15 May 2012 08:12 |
John Sharpe
Messages: 489
Registered: February 2006
Location: Texas
Karma: 1
|
Senior Member |
|
|
| Quote: |
Can someone tell us about this presentation? "Upper Control Arm Modifications for the 1-ton Front End – Bob Drewes" There wasn't anything in the GMCMI members section.
|
I don't know if this is 'bait' or what? As no one has mentioned the main content that presented.
Basically, Bob used upper control arms from something like a '99 one-ton vehicle. Turned them upside down and mounted them on the opposite sides on the GMC. (ie right from the one-ton was mounted on the left on the GMC). He made custom brackets to mount them on his coach. This resulted in the upper control arms being parallel to the lower control arm at ride height. This is an established design principle for use on public highway vehicles. Bob's alignment measurements indicate that vehicle directional control does not noticeably change throughout the range of suspension travel.
Bob as well as other presenters for GMCMI is an innovator and GMC hobbyist as well as a John Deere fan. These guys put this stuff out there for others to use and develop. The presentations are not infomercials but simply presentations to the attendees. If you are a member of GMCMI and would like presentations restricted to only those that include documentation to be distributed to the general public, I suggest you contact your area VP and attend the meetings to affect change.
John Sharpe
Humble,TX
'78 Eleganza TBI
'89 Spectrum 2000 MPI V-10
'40 Ford Panel Delivery TPI
johnasharpe@gmail.com
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI Tech Session? [message #169726 is a reply to message #169677] |
Tue, 15 May 2012 09:03 |
|
|
Hi Kirk
That'd be Kim Weeks' department. She told me a couple of weeks ago that she
was in the process of attaining permission for posting to the web site.
There are a couple of the presentations already posted.
bdub
-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of Kirk
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 11:11 PM
Can someone tell us about this presentation? "Upper Control Arm
Modifications for the 1-ton Front End – Bob Drewes" There wasn't
anything in the GMCMI members section.
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
bdub
bdub.net
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI Tech Session? [message #169732 is a reply to message #169706] |
Tue, 15 May 2012 09:45 |
|
|
Gene,
It's up to the presenters as to how they handle their material.
Oklahoma isn't exactly in the "east". In fact, it is west of the center of
the population for the US. However, I do understand some of your concern.
As to vendors not attending anymore -- I have seen several show up. But,
the economic fact is this -- sometimes it doesn't pay to drive 1,000 miles
to set up your wares only to have several tire kickers give you no money
to pay for the trip.
And it can go on and on either in the negative or positive sense. A person
can complain or get in on the inside and help.
To all of this I say what I've said for many years, we can go farther
faster when we cooperate. Sometimes expressing anger just begets more
anger with the result that no good is done.
OK. Enough with stealing the thread.
Byron
-----Original Message-----
From: gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>
Reply-To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 6:45 AM
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI Tech Session?
>just not true
>
>for a tech guy, there is almost nothing
>
>attending an East Coast Rally, is a luxury that most of the 800 members
>just do not have.
>
>makes me wonder why vendors no longer go to GMCMI
>JimB, Curits, Manny, MrC. SteveF, --sigh-
>
>
>GMCMI is loosing sight of the International role....
>I feel strongly there needs to be an International GMC , but withholding
>presentations, not publishing, and staying east of the MDL, is just not
>going to do it.,
>
>makes me real sad....it is going back to the old Dark days, before Emery
>led them out of the wilderness.
>'
>
>
>On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:23 PM, John Wright
><powerjon@chartermi.net>wrote:
>
>> Gene,
>> You get exactly what you pay for! 4 newsletters a year (now online in
>> color ), parts interchange ( when just came in the mail today ),
>> Membership directory and updates, club news and information and access
>> to the club website. You DO have to go to rallies to get some of the
>> information at the tech seminars because that information is the
>> property of the presenter and not GMCMI.
>
>
>this is just BS, the presenters want their info published, that is why
>they
>exist.
>do you know that none of us know:
>Lenzi introduced new products
>Why Patterson only does 455, and 403 's and what he does to them
>What is new in lower control arms
>What new products were introduced at the rally
>even - even- what vendors were there and what new products were introduced
>???
>
>and
>and
>the "good-old-guys" of GMCMI have copies of Patterson's, and Lenzi's and
>Gene's, slides, it is just us dues paying members, who do not have copies.
>
>
>> It only appears on the
>> website at the permission of the presenter. I would suspect in the
>> future that more of the Seminars will be available in Power Point and
>> on Video.
>
>
>
>> So you do get what you pay for.
>>
>
>so sorry this is not true - any more -
>JMHO
>
>speaking of tech info.
>what is going on with your club web site?, there used to be great tech,
>articles there, I could not find them yesterday
>
>gene
>
>
>Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
>³Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
>-------
>http://gmcmotorhome.info/
>Alternator Protection Cable
>http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>_______________________________________________
>GMCnet mailing list
>Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
--
Byron Songer
Full-timing to enjoy the USA
Former owner but still an admirer
GMC paint schemes at -
http://www.songerconsulting.net
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI Tech Session? [message #169734 is a reply to message #169732] |
Tue, 15 May 2012 09:58 |
|
|
Since I try to see both sides on most issues, I am going to
chime in here on this one. I understand Gene's frustration
BUT, I want to present an author's/presenter's perspective
on this. In another organization I am involved with, I and
another person worked for over a year writing and perfecting
a training course. We presented it at over 100 training
sessions. We then created an on-line version and within a
month, 3 other people had "appropriated" our training course
and claimed original authorship. This same sort of thing has
happened to several people that I know, so I understand how
some of the presenters might be reluctant to make their
presentation materials available.
On 5/15/2012 7:45 AM, Byron Songer wrote:
> It's up to the presenters as to how they handle their material.
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
Terry Taylor
'74 ex-Eleganza SE
San Lorenzo, CA
http://www.n6mon.org
http://dldesignstore.com
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: GMCMI Tech Session? [message #169746 is a reply to message #169723] |
Tue, 15 May 2012 11:21 |
Kirk
Messages: 80
Registered: April 2008
Karma: 0
|
Member |
|
|
Sheesh, how did that happen? Thanks John Sharpe for the explanation.
Kirk & Eloise Yeager -
Motorcyclists/RVers/Dog Lovers -
77 Royale 455/TBI/3:55 -
49ers - N. Nevada -
NdnKirk at Gmail dot com
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI Tech Session? [message #169842 is a reply to message #169734] |
Wed, 16 May 2012 07:47 |
jhbridges
Messages: 8412
Registered: May 2011
Location: Braselton ga
Karma: -74
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Doesn't that sort of beg the question, which is more important to the author, credit for authorship or dissimenation of the information?
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Terry Taylor <n6mon@pacbell.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI Tech Session?
Since I try to see both sides on most issues, I am going to
chime in here on this one. I understand Gene's frustration
BUT, I want to present an author's/presenter's perspective
on this. In another organization I am involved with, I and
another person worked for over a year writing and perfecting
a training course. We presented it at over 100 training
sessions. We then created an on-line version and within a
month, 3 other people had "appropriated" our training course
and claimed original authorship. This same sort of thing has
happened to several people that I know, so I understand how
some of the presenters might be reluctant to make their
presentation materials available.
On 5/15/2012 7:45 AM, Byron Songer wrote:
> It's up to the presenters as to how they handle their material.
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI Tech Session? [message #169844 is a reply to message #169842] |
Wed, 16 May 2012 07:59 |
|
|
You are missing the point, we had no problem sharing the information and allowing others to use it. It was other people claiming authorship of our work that was the issue, that is called theft in my book. For example, if you look at several of the replacement logos for sale on my website, you will see that Byron is credited with doing the artwork.
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
Terry Taylor
'74 ex-Eleganza SE
San Lorenzo, CA
http://www.n6mon.org
http://dldesignstore.com
|
|
|
|
Goto Forum:
Current Time: Mon Sep 30 01:31:35 CDT 2024
Total time taken to generate the page: 0.01070 seconds
|
GMCforum
Search
Help
Register
Login
Home
