| 455 Engine Wanted [message #169467] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 20:18  |
C Boyd
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I had always thought that the cam in our 455 motorhomes (400117)in 258 ex 272 was the smallest lift/duration cam ever used in a 455. I was mistaken. It seems in late 1969, cast for the 1970 Olds there was a 2bbl 455 offered. Cam #400084 in 250 ex 264. They were said to be in station wagons with tow package. It will have "C" cast heads. I am looking for an engine to build for my 23'. Anybody got any ideas where I might could find one of these engines??
Thanks....
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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| Re: 455 Engine Wanted [message #169488 is a reply to message #169467] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 23:50  |
spiffycar
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I came across this one on Craig-s list the other night. Not exactly what you may be looking for but, I thought it would pass it on as others might be interested as well.
http://cleveland.craigslist.org/ptd/2948945596.html
----I have no connection with this add or seller whatsoever-----
Paul W L
76 Daytona Beach! ( EX-Palm Beach )
Cleveland,OH
& Current Card Carrying Pull A Part VIP Member
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Engine Wanted [message #169504 is a reply to message #169475] |
Mon, 14 May 2012 07:46 |
C Boyd
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thanks Gary. Most of my books are aftermarket and maybe not so reliable. One does say 1968 2bbl. I also am considering the 1968 Toro engine.
STILL LOOKING
| Kosier wrote on Sun, 13 May 2012 22:30 |
Chuck,
I don't have an Olds parts book that goes back that far, but I do
have an old NHRA spec book. It says that cam was listed
for 1968. However, they list cam#400085 in 69 through 74 with
the same exact specs. It has to be in a weak, two-barrel
motor because it only has .400 lift at the valve. I wouldn't
think it would pass enough air in our application.
Gary Kosier (literature freak)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Boyd" <covered-wagon@comcast.net>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:18 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] 455 Engine Wanted
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> I had always thought that the cam in our 455 motorhomes
> (400117)in 258 ex 272 was the smallest lift/duration cam ever
> used in a 455. I was mistaken. It seems in late 1969, cast
> for the 1970 Olds there was a 2bbl 455 offered. Cam #400084 in
> 250 ex 264. They were said to be in station wagons with tow
> package. It will have "C" cast heads. I am looking for an
> engine to build for my 23'. Anybody got any ideas where I
> might could find one of these engines??
> Thanks....
> --
> C. Boyd
> 76 Crestmont by Midas
> East Tennessee
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| Re: 455 Engine Wanted [message #169509 is a reply to message #169488] |
Mon, 14 May 2012 08:29 |
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Their all around me and so far away.
Ted
| spiffycar wrote on Sun, 13 May 2012 23:50 |
I came across this one on Craig-s list the other night. Not exactly what you may be looking for but, I thought it would pass it on as others might be interested as well.
http://cleveland.craigslist.org/ptd/2948945596.html
----I have no connection with this add or seller whatsoever-----
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Ex Avion now looking for a 23'
Jeep Wrangler Towd
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| Re: 455 Engine Wanted [message #169544 is a reply to message #169467] |
Mon, 14 May 2012 10:49 |
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I have a complete front end assembly, 455 eng, trans suspension still on the chassis from a 74. It only has 54k on it.
Tom
Norfolk VA.
Tom McManus
1977 Royale
Chesapeake VA
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| Re: 455 Engine Wanted [message #169572 is a reply to message #169544] |
Mon, 14 May 2012 16:25 |
PettyVTX
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Tom
If Mr. Boyd is not interested in it I would be. If I dont go with the caddy setup. Not to cut into anyones line here.
Ted
| 94nubble wrote on Mon, 14 May 2012 10:49 |
I have a complete front end assembly, 455 eng, trans suspension still on the chassis from a 74. It only has 54k on it.
Tom
Norfolk VA.
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Jeep Wrangler Towd
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| Re: 455 Engine Wanted [message #169594 is a reply to message #169572] |
Mon, 14 May 2012 18:24 |
C Boyd
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Go right ahead sir. I am wanting a particular project engine. A RED 455 2BBL.
| PettyVTX wrote on Mon, 14 May 2012 17:25 |
Tom
If Mr. Boyd is not interested in it I would be. If I dont go with the caddy setup. Not to cut into anyones line here.
Ted
| 94nubble wrote on Mon, 14 May 2012 10:49 |
I have a complete front end assembly, 455 eng, trans suspension still on the chassis from a 74. It only has 54k on it.
Tom
Norfolk VA.
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C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Engine Wanted [message #169721 is a reply to message #169715] |
Tue, 15 May 2012 08:08 |
C Boyd
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[quote title=Steven Ferguson wrote on Tue, 15 May 2012 08:39]Why buy a motor for a camshaft when you can call Schneider Cams in San
Diego and get the exact camshaft custom ground for a lot less?
Sir: I was hoping to find a "seasoned" running engine to start with. Kinda like getting a free pass to 1st base.
Not to let out any secrets but the 68-69 series blocks had the higest nickle content and most had Nodular iron cranks. The cr on the 2bbl engine is 9.5:1 with a compressed factory head gasket at ~.27. A felpro head gasket compresses to ~.48, some even more. This should give me about 9:1 cr and pump gas friendly.
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Engine Wanted [message #169905 is a reply to message #169721] |
Wed, 16 May 2012 19:33 |
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[quote title=C Boyd wrote on Tue, 15 May 2012 06:08]| Steven Ferguson wrote on Tue, 15 May 2012 08:39 |
Why buy a motor for a camshaft when you can call Schneider Cams in San
Diego and get the exact camshaft custom ground for a lot less?
Sir: I was hoping to find a "seasoned" running engine to start with. Kinda like getting a free pass to 1st base.
Not to let out any secrets but the 68-69 series blocks had the higest nickle content and most had Nodular iron cranks. The cr on the 2bbl engine is 9.5:1 with a compressed factory head gasket at ~.27. A felpro head gasket compresses to ~.48, some even more. This should give me about 9:1 cr and pump gas friendly.
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It may not matter to you but you do know that "C" heads do not have hardened exaust seats for unleaded gas? I thought the 67 425 engine had the "c" heads and the 68 455 had "E" heads.
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Engine Wanted [message #169908 is a reply to message #169905] |
Wed, 16 May 2012 20:03 |
C Boyd
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Yes Sir: thank you for noticing. My book says
C 394548 80cc 2.000, 2.072" 1.625"
67-69 400/425/455's [except W-30 and most Hurst/Olds], including 1968 H/O with A/C. Valves commonly 2.000" and 1.625", but Toronado and 442 [except Turnpike Cruiser] heads had the larger 2.072" intakes. Presumably the H/O with C heads also had the large valves. Shallow spring seats. No hard exhaust seats. On 1967 engines, RH head will have the engine ID stamped into the front. Correct for 67-69 442's, even 68 H/O with air. Heads for 1967 W-30 or California cars had the A.I.R. passages [that boss on the exhaust port] drilled, tapped, and plugged. Some '68-9 442's with auto trans may have had small valves. This is reputed to be the best-flowing head, and is still fairly easy to find
[quote title=roy1 wrote on Wed, 16 May 2012 20:33]| C Boyd wrote on Tue, 15 May 2012 06:08 |
| Steven Ferguson wrote on Tue, 15 May 2012 08:39 |
Why buy a motor for a camshaft when you can call Schneider Cams in San
Diego and get the exact camshaft custom ground for a lot less?
Sir: I was hoping to find a "seasoned" running engine to start with. Kinda like getting a free pass to 1st base.
Not to let out any secrets but the 68-69 series blocks had the higest nickle content and most had Nodular iron cranks. The cr on the 2bbl engine is 9.5:1 with a compressed factory head gasket at ~.27. A felpro head gasket compresses to ~.48, some even more. This should give me about 9:1 cr and pump gas friendly.
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It may not matter to you but you do know that "C" heads do not have hardened exaust seats for unleaded gas? I thought the 67 425 engine had the "c" heads and the 68 455 had "E" heads.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Engine Wanted [message #169912 is a reply to message #169908] |
Wed, 16 May 2012 20:30 |
Kosier
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Chuck,
Somewhere in my literature collection, I have an article where
Joe Mondello says that the "C" head is the best flowing factory
head. Remembering that fact got me a free switch-pitch tranny.
LOL
Gary Kosier
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Boyd" <covered-wagon@comcast.net>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 455 Engine Wanted
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> Yes Sir: thank you for noticing. My book says
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> C 394548 80cc 2.000, 2.072" 1.625"
> 67-69 400/425/455's [except W-30 and most Hurst/Olds],
> including 1968 H/O with A/C. Valves commonly 2.000" and 1.625",
> but Toronado and 442 [except Turnpike Cruiser] heads had the
> larger 2.072" intakes. Presumably the H/O with C heads also had
> the large valves. Shallow spring seats. No hard exhaust seats.
> On 1967 engines, RH head will have the engine ID stamped into
> the front. Correct for 67-69 442's, even 68 H/O with air. Heads
> for 1967 W-30 or California cars had the A.I.R. passages [that
> boss on the exhaust port] drilled, tapped, and plugged. Some
> '68-9 442's with auto trans may have had small valves. This is
> reputed to be the best-flowing head, and is still fairly easy
> to find
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> [quote title=roy1 wrote on Wed, 16 May 2012 20:33]C Boyd wrote
> on Tue, 15 May 2012 06:08
>> Steven Ferguson wrote on Tue, 15 May 2012 08:39
>> > Why buy a motor for a camshaft when you can call Schneider
>> > Cams in San
>> > Diego and get the exact camshaft custom ground for a lot
>> > less?
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>> > Sir: I was hoping to find a "seasoned" running engine to
>> > start with. Kinda like getting a free pass to 1st base.
>> > Not to let out any secrets but the 68-69 series blocks had
>> > the higest nickle content and most had Nodular iron cranks.
>> > The cr on the 2bbl engine is 9.5:1 with a compressed factory
>> > head gasket at ~.27. A felpro head gasket compresses to
>> > ~.48, some even more. This should give me about 9:1 cr and
>> > pump gas friendly.
>>
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>> It may not matter to you but you do know that "C" heads do
>> not have hardened exaust seats for unleaded gas? I thought the
>> 67 425 engine had the "c" heads and the 68 455 had "E" heads.
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> 76 Crestmont by Midas
> East Tennessee
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