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[GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER [message #168667] Sun, 06 May 2012 19:37 Go to next message
larry erd is currently offline  larry erd   United States
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As I started the thread again last week, I have talked to Ryan @ Carolina
twice this past week
when I discovered the booster I bought over a year ago and just installed
last week in my
'77 Kingsley restoration. The pedal goes to the floor, my neighbor Tom
Pryor,( the alternator
tensioner man) also bought one, we checked and they measure 2.5". We came
up with a way
to make them 3" if we have to but I'm supposed to hear from MBM Mon.
afternoon , hopefully
they will fix them. Carolina Classics is very concerned, and wants to help
fix the problem.
Larry Erd
Lake Wales Fl.
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Re: [GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER [message #168733 is a reply to message #168667] Mon, 07 May 2012 10:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Generally speaking, a defective booster will give you a hard pedal, not allow it to go to the floor.  I think if your pedal went to the floor you should be looking at the master cylinder, bleeding of the system etc.  Sorry, a booster does not do that.  Sorta like a carb float cannot hold back fuel from a too hi pressure pump.  Boosters are actually pretty reliable, that's also why I think you need to investige further.  let me know if I can help,
 
Jim Bounds
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From: Larry Erd <1ljerd@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 8:37 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER

As I started the thread again last week, I have talked to Ryan @ Carolina
twice this past week
when I discovered the booster I bought over a year ago and just installed
last week in my
'77 Kingsley restoration. The pedal goes to the floor, my neighbor Tom
Pryor,( the alternator
tensioner man) also bought one, we checked and they measure 2.5". We came
up with a way
to make them 3" if we have to but I'm supposed to hear from MBM Mon.
afternoon , hopefully
they will fix them. Carolina Classics is very concerned, and wants to help
fix the problem.
Larry Erd
Lake Wales Fl.
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Re: [GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER [message #168744 is a reply to message #168667] Mon, 07 May 2012 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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They just want to sell o these wrong units.

On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Larry Erd <1ljerd@gmail.com> wrote:
> As I started the thread again last week, I have talked to Ryan @ Carolina
> twice this past week
> when I discovered the booster I bought over a year ago and just installed
> last week in my
> '77 Kingsley restoration. The pedal goes to the floor, my neighbor Tom
> Pryor,( the alternator
> tensioner man) also bought one, we checked and they measure 2.5". We came
> up with a way
> to make them 3" if we have to but I'm supposed to hear from MBM Mon.
> afternoon , hopefully
> they will fix them. Carolina Classics is very concerned, and wants to help
> fix the problem.
> Larry Erd
> Lake Wales Fl.
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Re: [GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER [message #168754 is a reply to message #168744] Mon, 07 May 2012 12:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jim,
 
An update on this as are many things we find close but slightly different for the GMC, their input shaft rod was too short, was not a problem with the booster.  Our GMC takes a different length rod, they made him a rod and their booster will at least work in the application.  Besides that though is your issue with their boosters.  They are not bad and work fine in their specific application but in our application, there are a few other things that needs to happen.  Look, not trying to hock our boosters but they are made specifically for this application which I am sure what you have is also.  The GMC is just off enough on some key parts that you need to know the differences-- this is why we are here.  Taking nothing from MBM, they are a fine bunch but they make parts for the rest of the world, we make them for our world and there is a difference.
 
Please guys, you do not have to reinvent all of these wheels and the end cost of doing it right through someone who has done it many times before will always cause less hassles and will usually end up costing less as well.  Some have a low opinion of "specialty dealers", in the application for the GMC really you need to listen.  The booster is not bad, there was no fault of Carolina Classics or MBM, they simply do not make boosters for the GMC
 
Jim Bounds
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From: Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 12:26 PM
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They just want to sell o these wrong units.

On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Larry Erd <1ljerd@gmail.com> wrote:
> As I started the thread again last week, I have talked to Ryan @ Carolina
> twice this past week
> when I discovered the booster I bought over a year ago and just installed
> last week in my
> '77 Kingsley restoration. The pedal goes to the floor, my neighbor Tom
> Pryor,( the alternator
> tensioner man) also bought one, we checked and they measure 2.5". We came
> up with a way
> to make them 3" if we have to but I'm supposed to hear from MBM Mon.
> afternoon , hopefully
> they will fix them. Carolina Classics is very concerned, and wants to help
> fix the problem.
> Larry Erd
> Lake Wales Fl.
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Re: [GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER [message #168933 is a reply to message #168754] Tue, 08 May 2012 13:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil   United States
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Can I hear is there anyone out there who did use one of these boosters out of the box without problem?

Thanks


Neil
76 Eleganza now sold
Los Angeles
Re: [GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER [message #168934 is a reply to message #168933] Tue, 08 May 2012 13:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Neil,
You can contact Dale Frahm <beefrahm@yahoo.com> He put one on his
coach last summer and it works fine for him. He can tell you how he
did it.

JR Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMC Eastern States
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1975 Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan

On May 8, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Neil Martin wrote:

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>
> Can I hear is there anyone out there who did use one of these
> boosters out of the box without problem?
>
> Thanks
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Re: [GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER [message #168966 is a reply to message #168934] Tue, 08 May 2012 18:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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JR et al,

I have received a number of OFF NET messages regarding this subject and am
still compiling data to try and figger out what the problem is / was.

It appears that some of them have the correct length yoke and others don't.

It has been reported here that Leigh Harrison sells this booster too:

http://idencorpgmc.com/product.php?id_product=28

If anyone has bought one from him I'd appreciate knowing what the results
were.

If anyone has or knows anyone that has installed a sensitized booster from
any supplier other than JimB or JimK PLEASE encourage them to contact me at
robmueller at iinet dot net dot au!

Regards,
Rob M.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:58 AM
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Neil,
You can contact Dale Frahm <beefrahm@yahoo.com> He put one on his
coach last summer and it works fine for him. He can tell you how he
did it.

JR

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Re: [GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER [message #168980 is a reply to message #168966] Tue, 08 May 2012 20:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have one of the MBM boosters which I bought from Leigh Harrison shortly
before I also started this whole fiasco by identifying the source for them
at a much better price.

Frankly, I didn't find any difference when I installed the booster from
Leigh. Not knowing whether I'd replaced a standard or sensitized booster,
I didn't complain. Now, I'm awaiting the results of all the activity
before removing my booster to check the push rod (yoke) length. Maybe I
got a short rod through IdenCorp.

Ken H.



On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:

> JR et al,
>
> I have received a number of OFF NET messages regarding this subject and am
> still compiling data to try and figger out what the problem is / was.
>
> It appears that some of them have the correct length yoke and others don't.
>
> It has been reported here that Leigh Harrison sells this booster too:
>
> http://idencorpgmc.com/product.php?id_product=28
>
> If anyone has bought one from him I'd appreciate knowing what the results
> were.
>
> If anyone has or knows anyone that has installed a sensitized booster from
> any supplier other than JimB or JimK PLEASE encourage them to contact me at
> robmueller at iinet dot net dot au!
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER [message #168987 is a reply to message #168933] Tue, 08 May 2012 20:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

...Can I hear is there anyone out there who did use one of these boosters out of the box without problem?

Thanks

...


Neil, I had to send the booster back to have the longer rod installed. I was told at the time that I was the only one that had a problem. I guess all you guys did the same thing I did and waited a while before trying to install it.

Anyway, the replacement was really a little too long as I had to readjust the brake light switch all the way in. This created a problem of the switch plunger was out of alignment with the paddle on the pedal assembly. When the pedal was depressed the end of the paddle would hit the side of the brake light switch plunger. It wedged there and would not allow the pedal to fully release the brakes or turn off the brake lights. I found the problem because the cruise control would not set. This was because of the miss-aligned brake light/cruise control switch. Bending the mounting bracket to reposition the brake light/cruise switch remedied the problem. Maybe they have corrected the length of the input rod and it's no longer a problem. But, be aware.


John Sharpe
Humble,TX
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'89 Spectrum 2000 MPI V-10
'40 Ford Panel Delivery TPI
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Re: [GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER [message #169017 is a reply to message #168966] Wed, 09 May 2012 06:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rob and others,
 
You must understand this situation is nothing new and is actually the same process that has gone on for some time with several other replacement parts.  Here it's fun and part of why we go here (the GMC Net)-- thats batting around ideas and things we all have done but really, please do not feel stuff like this has never been thought about or is screwed up.
 
For a long time, some have said they supply "new" GM boosters and that's simply not true.  Face it guys, GM no longer identifies the GMC as a profit center for them and they are NOT making parts for us.  They have more problems keeping up the replacement batteries for their "Volt"! 
 
There are some that stretch the truth on pieces/parts they have.  I too struggled for a time with boosters, what and why do I feel the need for a "sensatized" booster.  Some said "it makes the brakes better".  That is pahooee, sensatized booster only allow you to access whatever brakes you have faster-- that's a huge difference.  If you have crappy brakes, you will have faster crappy brakes.  Also, there are several ways to produce a "sensatized" booster.  Most simply put in a stronger spring-- that's the cheap way.  It takes a experienced professional to really produce a proper sensatized booster, I rely on one of those guys to produce ours.  Do you want one?   I will tell you it gives you the pedal you wish you could have so yea, a properly built one is a positive thing to the point I do not produce any standard boosters any more.  After you experience what a good sensatized booster can do, the rest is left behind. 
 
There are no "new" boosters.  Our original booster can no longer be totally rebuilt so if someone requires your old booster as a core, your replacement booster cannot be totally rebuilt.  There are internal parts that are no longer available.  Our boosters are later model units that all internal parts are available so the booster is totally remanufactured.  You can also detect wether you have a rehashed old booster, the newer design boosters use metric nuts.  It's really important to me to replace the original booster with one totally remanufactured.  Folks that have "New" boosters offer them as generic replacements, mods to these are more than your GMC can work with.
 
Now, the input rod length is different for a GMC than any other booster, sorry guys but there are no proper "off shelf" boosters that work on a GMC.  A booster rebuilder can take your old rod out and use it in a rebuilt booster but the shipping to return your "core" is more than we charge to have a new rod manufactured.  We require no core when we send out a booster, we charge $20 to have a new input rod made.  If you are in town or we do the work here, we will take your booster (just the rod) as a core.  Cost is $218 for a proper, metric nut, totally remanufactured booster and we have had very good luck with them.  MBM does not have the proper length input shaft, they would have it custom made if they were to offer a booster for the GMC-- sorry but thats the facts.  No one else will have a proper length input rod or a booster that will bolt in to a GMC-- sorry but thats the facts too. 
 
Pick upspark plugs and other replacement parts wherever you like, there are some parts that only the GMC specialty dealers have for you so why not support them on them.
 
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Re: [GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER [message #170143 is a reply to message #168667] Fri, 18 May 2012 21:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Larry,

Sorry for the delay in getting this put together but I wanted to make sure I had all the info correct.

As Jack Webb used to say in Dragnet; "just the facts man." The following is more information than most people will be interested
in!.

1) I stumble on to the Carolina Classic Trucks website and find that they have new sensitized boosters for 1973 to 1978 GMC
Motorhomes for $132.

2) I liked the rebuilt sensitized booster I bought from JimB and installed in Double Trouble for $235.00.

3) I like saving money.

4) KenH reported that MBM is the company that supplied sensitized boosters to Leigh Harrison.

5) I figger'd I could get one from CCT and save a few bucks, John Sharpe did too.

6) I ordered two of them one for him and one for me.

7) I carried mine back to Sydney to install in The Blue Streak.

8) When John tried to install the booster from CCT he found that the link that attaches the booster too the brake pedal pivot was
too short (2 1/2 inches)

9) We reported this to CCT and they noted they had sold hundreds of these boosters and never had a problem before. They instructed
John to ship the boosters back to MBM and they would fix them. John shipped his but I wasn't about to pay the cost to send it from
Australia to the USA so I told Ryan that I would hand carry it back and then send it to MBM from the USA for repair.

10) When John got the "repaired" booster back from MBM the yoke measured 2 7/8 inches from the body of the booster to the bottom of
the yoke. He was able to install it but to do so he had to adjust some "stuff" under the dash (I'm sorry I can't remember what it
was).

11) When I got back to the USA with my booster in February of this year and found out what John went through there was no way I was
going to get the booster I had "fixed" by MBM and risk having problems installing it when I got it back to Sydney. I decided to send
it back and get a credit. CCT credited me with the cost of the booster but would not refund the cost of shipping either direction.

12) When I published my original message to the GMC net I Cc'd CCT and THEN they offered to "make me happy and asked what would do
so. I told them I thought would be fair if they reimbursed me the shipping charges which they did.

13) I then bought a sensitized booster from JimB which is what I should have done in the first bloody place!

14) Here is a link to pictures of that booster:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=6082

15) As you can see the measurement from the face of the booster to the bottom of the yoke is 3/38 inches.

16) I have received photos from two GMCers that purchased boosters from CCT that had the correct length yokes installed.

Conclusion: MBM screwed up and shipped the wrong boosters to me and John and anyone else that got one with a 2 1/2 inch yoke.

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Erd

As I started the thread again last week, I have talked to Ryan @ Carolina
twice this past week when I discovered the booster I bought over a year ago and just installed last week in my '77 Kingsley
restoration. The pedal goes to the floor, my neighbor Tom Pryor,( the alternator tensioner man) also bought one, we checked and they
measure 2.5". We came up with a way
to make them 3" if we have to but I'm supposed to hear from MBM Mon.
afternoon, hopefully they will fix them. Carolina Classics is very concerned, and wants to help fix the problem.
Larry Erd


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Re: [GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER [message #170148 is a reply to message #170143] Fri, 18 May 2012 21:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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True confessions

When I saw the post eons ago I bougt a booster in a flash and left it in the garage, box unopend, because my brakes were, in fact just fine.

A man with a credit card in one hand and a drink in the other is trouble every single day of the week. I buy lots of things in that condition.

Oh well.

Then these after the fact posts popped up, what maybe a year later and I got to thinking, no way do I want to pull out the old booster to have problems with a new one.

Then with the magic of the gmcnet science and math came to the rescue with folks publishing the right and wrong dimensions for the pushrod.

I opened the box for the first time and measured mine.

Looks like I have a good one.

My brakes are fine anyway.

Lots of projects to do.

That box might sit in the garage for a few more years.

But thank all you wonderful people who reported, did science with measurements and informed the rest of us.

Neil


Neil
76 Eleganza now sold
Los Angeles
Re: [GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER [message #170150 is a reply to message #170148] Fri, 18 May 2012 21:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Neil,

You won't believe how much easier they are to apply with a sensitized booster!

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Martin

True confessions

When I saw the post eons ago I bougt a booster in a flash and left it in the garage, box unopend, because my brakes were, in fact
just fine.

A man with a credit card in one hand and a drink in the other is trouble every single day of the week. I buy lots of things in that
condition.

Oh well.

Then these after the fact posts popped up, what maybe a year later and I got to thinking, no way do I want to pull out the old
booster to have problems with a new one.

Then with the magic of the gmcnet science and math came to the rescue with folks publishing the right and wrong dimensions for the
pushrod.

I opened the box for the first time and measured mine.

Looks like I have a good one.

My brakes are fine anyway.

Lots of projects to do.

That box might sit in the garage for a few more years.

But thank all you wonderful people who reported, did science with measurements and informed the rest of us.

Neil

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Re: [GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER [message #170165 is a reply to message #170150] Sat, 19 May 2012 07:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Neil, Rob and other on this thread.
 
Please understand the specialty parts world is about as tight and niche as the GMC group, we all know eachother behind the table.  The guys at MBM are great, they are in Ashville-- I used to live there and with my family roots just up the hollar in Marion, I talk with them alote.  When the problem Larry had came up to them, they had 8 proper length arms produced to solve his problem as well as any other they had sent out not knowing there was a problem.  As I said they try their best and after figuring out the problem are doing their best to support their customers.  After talking with them about the issues and telling them we were producing an exact sensatized booster for this application, they indicted after they solve through their issues they really didn;t wanna be in the GMC sensatized booster business-- it would have to be another "SKU" on their shelf and the volume simply could not support the expense of doing that.  That is a very
responsible and supportive position for them.  We all must work together or we'll all suffer.  We produce specialty parts for only one vehicle, they understand that.  They produce specialty parts for a pile of vehicles that have so much more volume and that's what they are set up to support. 
 
You have to sit back a moment and understand marketing to specialty customers to understand how this all works.  Us vendors are not sitting in our back room trying to plot the demise of other vendors, heck we're just trying to figure out how to stay alive another month!  This economy really sucks, you retired guys simply do not know how good you have it.  We're out here trying to keep our heads above water, paying in on social security that we may never see, I can't get any insurance from my "pre existing condition" brought on my a doctors neglagence and no one really cares!  It's tough out there and trying to compete is not in the cards for most of us.  "What's your price" has less to do with it today, ask " do you have it, does it work properly for me and can you help me put it in, adjust it and make it work for me"-- well, that's where your head should be.  All of that "competition" thing should be saved for McDonalds, Burger king and Home
Depot. 
 
We have sensatized boosters why"  Because we use them and because the ones other people were shoving down my throat were not working well and were overpriced.  I have them because I need them in my restorations.  If Jim K. wants to sell mine fine-- we work together like that.  If you think you have to go to someone else -- brother go for it-- this is a free country but do us all a favor and not bump one guy over another here, see us vendors all support eachother-- well, most of us and if you see a vendor knocking another vendor trying to get your dollar, don;t go there.  That's not a good business practice.  BTW, also I would not suggest you call me telling me how you hate another vendor, I immediatly think next time you would probably say that to someone else about me!  If you have a problem with any of us, work hard to work it out, no one here is trying to sell you snake oil or rip you off and of that I can guarantee. 
 
Miguels fingers hurt, my leg hurts, Jim K.'s head hurts and we're all in that handbasket going to where?  Hey, lets all go down together...
 
Oh yea, to answer the comment on this post-- these sensatized boosters are more better...
 
Jim Bounds
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From: Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
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Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER

Neil,

You won't believe how much easier they are to apply with a sensitized booster!

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Martin

True confessions

When I saw the post eons ago I bougt a booster in a flash and left it in the garage, box unopend, because my brakes were, in fact
just fine. 

A man with a credit card in one hand and a drink in the other is trouble every single day of the week.  I buy lots of things in that
condition.

Oh well.

Then these after the fact posts popped up, what  maybe a year later and I got to thinking, no way do I want to pull out the old
booster to have problems with a new one.

Then with the magic of the gmcnet science and math came to the rescue with folks publishing the right and wrong dimensions for the
pushrod.

I opened the box for the first time and measured mine. 

Looks like I have a good one.

My brakes are fine anyway.

Lots of projects to do.

That box might sit in the garage for a few more years.

But thank all you wonderful people who reported, did science with measurements and informed the rest of us.

Neil

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Re: [GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER [message #170213 is a reply to message #170165] Sat, 19 May 2012 19:32 Go to previous message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Jim,

I'm sorry but I don't understand why in the first paragraph you defend MBM and then in the next two paragraphs chastise people for
NOT supporting the "GMC Vendors."

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Bounds

Neil, Rob and other on this thread.
 
Please understand the specialty parts world is about as tight and niche as the GMC group, we all know eachother behind the table. 
The guys at MBM are great, they are in Ashville-- I used to live there and with my family roots just up the hollar in Marion, I talk
with them alote.  When the problem Larry had came up to them, they had 8 proper length arms produced to solve his problem as well as
any other they had sent out not knowing there was a problem.  As I said they try their best and after figuring out the problem are
doing their best to support their customers.  After talking with them about the issues and telling them we were producing an exact
sensatized booster for this application, they indicted after they solve through their issues they really didn;t wanna be in the GMC
sensatized booster business-- it would have to be another "SKU" on their shelf and the volume simply could not support the expense
of doing that.  That is a very responsible and supportive position for them.  We all must work together or we'll all suffer.  We
produce specialty parts for only one vehicle, they understand that.  They produce specialty parts for a pile of vehicles that have
so much more volume and that's what they are set up to support. 
 
You have to sit back a moment and understand marketing to specialty customers to understand how this all works.  Us vendors are not
sitting in our back room trying to plot the demise of other vendors, heck we're just trying to figure out how to stay alive another
month!  This economy really sucks, you retired guys simply do not know how good you have it.  We're out here trying to keep our
heads above water, paying in on social security that we may never see, I can't get any insurance from my "pre existing condition"
brought on my a doctors neglagence and no one really cares!  It's tough out there and trying to compete is not in the cards for most
of us.  "What's your price" has less to do with it today, ask " do you have it, does it work properly for me and can you help me put
it in, adjust it and make it work for me"-- well, that's where your head should be.  All of that "competition" thing should be saved
for McDonalds, Burger king and Home Depot. 
 
We have sensatized boosters why"  Because we use them and because the ones other people were shoving down my throat were not working
well and were overpriced.  I have them because I need them in my restorations.  If Jim K. wants to sell mine fine-- we work together
like that.  If you think you have to go to someone else -- brother go for it-- this is a free country but do us all a favor and not
bump one guy over another here, see us vendors all support eachother-- well, most of us and if you see a vendor knocking another
vendor trying to get your dollar, don;t go there.  That's not a good business practice.  BTW, also I would not suggest you call me
telling me how you hate another vendor, I immediatly think next time you would probably say that to someone else about me!  If you
have a problem with any of us, work hard to work it out, no one here is trying to sell you snake oil or rip you off and of that I
can guarantee. 
 
Miguels fingers hurt, my leg hurts, Jim K.'s head hurts and we're all in that handbasket going to where?  Hey, lets all go down
together...
 
Oh yea, to answer the comment on this post-- these sensatized boosters are more better...
 
Jim Bounds
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From: Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] MBM BOOSTER

Neil,

You won't believe how much easier they are to apply with a sensitized booster!

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Martin

True confessions

When I saw the post eons ago I bougt a booster in a flash and left it in the garage, box unopend, because my brakes were, in fact
just fine. 

A man with a credit card in one hand and a drink in the other is trouble every single day of the week.  I buy lots of things in that
condition.

Oh well.

Then these after the fact posts popped up, what  maybe a year later and I got to thinking, no way do I want to pull out the old
booster to have problems with a new one.

Then with the magic of the gmcnet science and math came to the rescue with folks publishing the right and wrong dimensions for the
pushrod.

I opened the box for the first time and measured mine. 

Looks like I have a good one.

My brakes are fine anyway.

Lots of projects to do.

That box might sit in the garage for a few more years.

But thank all you wonderful people who reported, did science with measurements and informed the rest of us.

Neil

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