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| Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler [message #166146 is a reply to message #166143] |
Thu, 12 April 2012 14:40   |
James Hupy
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How much water is "too much"? Yes, by their very nature they put some water
in the air. In a dry climate like The desert Southwest, that is no problem,
Huston, TX maybe, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, very likely.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:30 PM, nancy mercier <mercier.nancy@gmail.com>wrote:
> Anybody know if the swamp coolers put too much moisture in a GMC
> motorcoach?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler [message #166148 is a reply to message #166143] |
Thu, 12 April 2012 15:50 |
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Nancy,
I've been trying to find some data on this ever since one individual
installed on in his GMC.
I contacted the manufacturer called Turbo Kool who advised that when the
humidity got above 75% the unit didn't perform.
I asked him if he had any tables that showed outside air temp, inside the
motorhome air temp, and inside the motorhome humidity readings.
He pointed me at his website which provides a graph of OAT and IAT but no
info about the humidity in the motorhome. He did note that the Turbo Kool
had to have a window open to operate properly. He noted that calculating the
interior humidity levels was "too complex."
There is a GMC owner here who has installed one and reports "it blows cool
air."
Maybe he will provide you with some humidity level reading inside his
motorhome when the Turbo Kool is running.
I use my GMC here in the USA to tour and wind up in places like the Florida
Keys; Houston, Texas; New Orleans, Louisiana, where the humidity levels
during the summer would make a swamp cooler bloody useless.
Regards,
Rob M.
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Anybody know if the swamp coolers put too much moisture in a GMC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler [message #166149 is a reply to message #166143] |
Thu, 12 April 2012 15:55 |
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| nancy mercier wrote on Thu, 12 April 2012 12:30 |
Anybody know if the swamp coolers put too much moisture in a GMC
motorcoach?
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Nancy,
If you've ever had one in your house (I grew up with them, and still have one in my garage, a 'state of the art' Master Cool) you know that they work well until 'Monsoon' season, then they just make you uncomfortable and make your doors swell up. They also promote mold growth. My AC subcontractor will not install one in a home any more because of the liability on the mold issue. That says enough, for me, right there.
I can testify that my garage will be cooler than my air conditioned house until sometime in July, when the humidity goes up. From then until sometime in September, all I can say about it is it's better than nothing. I will usually turn the water pump off at night, if I remember, and turn it back on in the morning. That's the only way the door between the house and the garage does not swell shut.
Michael (Mr. Radioactive) in Casa Grande, has installed a "Turbo Cool" on his coach. I suggest you wait to hear his report on how well it works at different times of the year, before you invest the effort into installing one. It may work for him if he restricts his outings to high elevations during the summer, where it is more likely to be much cooler than the low or intermediate desert areas where you and I live
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler [message #166364 is a reply to message #166143] |
Sat, 14 April 2012 23:31 |
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| nancy mercier wrote on Thu, 12 April 2012 13:30 |
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Nancy--you will hear many negative, stupid, and uninformed remarks about this from people who have not lived in AZ very long. They work extremely well 11 out of 12 months in this state.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler [message #166368 is a reply to message #166364] |
Sun, 15 April 2012 00:09 |
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| Bob de Kruyff wrote on Sat, 14 April 2012 23:31 |
| nancy mercier wrote on Thu, 12 April 2012 13:30 |
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Nancy--you will hear many negative, stupid, and uninformed remarks about this from people who have not lived in AZ very long. They work extremely well 11 out of 12 months in this state.
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Couldn't of said it better myself, Bob.
I bought a TurboKool 
However so far so good. I've used mine up to 94 degrees. However I haven't ran it long enough to report much as I just installed it. I broke my float/valve during the install and waiting for a new one and I was in just the test stage. But at 94 degrees it worked well. I wasn't freezing, but again my unit was barely working since I was playing with the water levels and didn't have it even remotely optimized. The air that was coming out made a very noticeable difference.
It was said correctly I don't think in PHX in the summer one will provide enough cooling to "stay cool" But I'm really guessing at elevation it will work much better. We camp in the mountains in AZ they are often really dry, and only get warm by AZ standards during the day. (our warm would be hot in some places but when its 115 here and 88 in the mountains for a hour or two a day) I think it will work perfect.
The guy that owns TurboKool told me at shows he setups up a turbo kool to demo. He said to keep it on 8-9 hrs a day it takes 2.5-3 gallons all day long to run. I'm pretty hopeful.
One of the things you'll may hear thats super negative but some people can't get past is I DO NOT WANT A ROOF TOP AC. Why? I DID NOT WANT A ONAN GENERATOR. Why? I HATE THE SMELL, AND SOUND. Why? I don't know I just do!
The TurboKool is 12v, draws a tiny amt of power, and is easily ran on my solar/wind hybrid.
About moisture.... DONT fall for the Bull. With a swamp cooler you leave a window open. Sure it adds humidity. Hate to say it people in AZ like humidity, its to stinking dry. People exaggerate, and have never used one in a coach and comment say negative stuff about it yet never used one. It depends on your climate. Here this part of AZ, Humidity = Our Friend. And yes they work most all the year very well. The only thing that may make this unit not work as well as a home unit is it doesn't have as much media to flow water through, nor uses a lot of water. More media, more water, = more cooling. But this is a mobile unit.
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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| Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler [message #166369 is a reply to message #166368] |
Sun, 15 April 2012 00:56 |
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how much are they $ and info on install ?, amount of 12 volt used per hour or some unit of entropy to battery bank.
Humidity is good in l.a. as well, all good points, If air is cooled by solar cells to be syntropic and balance out
to charge as much as it uses in electricity then this is a great design. I did not get the past info on the turboKool.
very interesting doctor watson. thank you.
regards and mowed yards. mickey
On Apr 14, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Michael wrote:
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> Bob de Kruyff wrote on Sat, 14 April 2012 23:31
>> nancy mercier wrote on Thu, 12 April 2012 13:30
>>> Anybody know if the swamp coolers put too much moisture in a GMC
>>> motorcoach?
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>> Nancy--you will hear many negative, stupid, and uninformed remarks about this from people who have not lived in AZ very long. They work extremely well 11 out of 12 months in this state.
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> Couldn't of said it better myself, Bob.
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> I bought a TurboKool :)
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> However so far so good. I've used mine up to 94 degrees. However I haven't ran it long enough to report much as I just installed it. I broke my float/valve during the install and waiting for a new one and I was in just the test stage. But at 94 degrees it worked well. I wasn't freezing, but again my unit was barely working since I was playing with the water levels and didn't have it even remotely optimized. The air that was coming out made a very noticeable difference.
> It was said correctly I don't think in PHX in the summer one will provide enough cooling to "stay cool" But I'm really guessing at elevation it will work much better. We camp in the mountains in AZ they are often really dry, and only get warm by AZ standards during the day. (our warm would be hot in some places but when its 115 here and 88 in the mountains for a hour or two a day) I think it will work perfect.
> The guy that owns TurboKool told me at shows he setups up a turbo kool to demo. He said to keep it on 8-9 hrs a day it takes 2.5-3 gallons all day long to run. I'm pretty hopeful.
> One of the things you'll may hear thats super negative but some people can't get past is I DO NOT WANT A ROOF TOP AC. Why? I DID NOT WANT A ONAN GENERATOR. Why? I HATE THE SMELL, AND SOUND. Why? I don't know I just do!
> The TurboKool is 12v, draws a tiny amt of power, and is easily ran on my solar/wind hybrid.
> About moisture.... DONT fall for the Bull. With a swamp cooler you leave a window open. Sure it adds humidity. Hate to say it people in AZ like humidity, its to stinking dry. People exaggerate, and have never used one in a coach and comment say negative stuff about it yet never used one. It depends on your climate. Here this part of AZ, Humidity = Our Friend. And yes they work most all the year very well. The only thing that may make this unit not work as well as a home unit is it doesn't have as much media to flow water through, nor uses a lot of water. More media, more water, = more cooling. But this is a mobile unit.
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> Michael, Casa Grande, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler [message #166388 is a reply to message #166368] |
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Michael,
Thanks for the info re the Turbo Kool, as I've noted in earlier messages I'm
interested in using one Downunder but would really like some hard data.
If I send you a couple of instruments that measure temperature and relative
humidity (one for outside; one for inside) would you be willing to take
readings?
If yes, send me your postal address and I'll send the instruments.
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael
Couldn't of said it better myself, Bob.
I bought a TurboKool :)
However so far so good. I've used mine up to 94 degrees. However I haven't
ran it long enough to report much as I just installed it. I broke my
float/valve during the install and waiting for a new one and I was in just
the test stage. But at 94 degrees it worked well. I wasn't freezing, but
again my unit was barely working since I was playing with the water levels
and didn't have it even remotely optimized. The air that was coming out made
a very noticeable difference.
Michael
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| Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler [message #166401 is a reply to message #166364] |
Sun, 15 April 2012 09:58 |
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| Bob de Kruyff wrote on Sat, 14 April 2012 21:31 |
| nancy mercier wrote on Thu, 12 April 2012 13:30 |
Anybody know if the swamp coolers put too much moisture in a GMC
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Nancy--you will hear many negative, stupid, and uninformed remarks about this from people who have not lived in AZ very long. They work extremely well 11 out of 12 months in this state.
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Since I am neither stupid or uninformed, I have to assume This post did NOT refer to my earlier post on this subject. My post did NOT refer to the specific installation or any issues regarding the installation or use of a Turbo Cool on an RV. Anyone who wants to go that route for whatever reason...Have at it.
As a 51 year resident of Tucson, AZ. where I lived in houses cooled by evaporative cooling, exclusively, for over 30 of them, I DO have plenty of experience with swamp cooling. The statement that they work "extremely well, 11 out of 12 months in this state" is patently ridiculous since there is no need for cooling for about seven months (from sometime in October to sometime in April) in the first place. As I stated, evaporative cooling DOES work well in the extremely dry months of May and June. When the rainy season hits, anywhere from the middle of June to the middle of July, and the humidity goes up to as little as 25%, these coolers are woefully inadequate. Then, when the air finally dries out in September sometime, you will have nice cool air until you shut down the cooler in October. Trust me on this.
As I said, if you have reasons you want to use a swamp cooler in your GMC, more power to you. You don't have to justify anything you do to your coach to ANYONE here. Go for it. For me, I will stick with my two roof air conditioners and my Onan for cooling comfort.
Rant off
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler [message #166450 is a reply to message #166364] |
Sun, 15 April 2012 20:50 |
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Nancy--you will hear many negative, stupid, and uninformed remarks about this from people who have not lived in AZ very long. They work extremely well 11 out of 12 months in this state.[/quote]
Back in the day when I had a Winnebago my brother in law had a Winnebago Brave that had a Coleman swamp cooler on the roof(Arizona Goat Box). We almost always camped at the Colorado River in the summer. The humidity at the rivers edge proved too humid for the swamp cooler to work effectively. Also when he drove over the uneven dirt road the water would slosh and come into the coach. He replaced it with an A/C unit the 3rd time out.
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
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| Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler [message #166457 is a reply to message #166143] |
Sun, 15 April 2012 22:09 |
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Swamp is what it's all about. Cool has nothing to do with it.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler [message #166464 is a reply to message #166143] |
Sun, 15 April 2012 23:27 |
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There is threads of foolish posts about the subject from people that know nothing on the mobile swamp cooler topic. I don't think anything was directed at you. Even you have have lived in Tucson however it is a totally different climate then CG. You get more rain then we do, and more humidity. Plus comparing a house swamp cooler wasn't asked. Its a mobile swamp cooler. As you have stated nobody needs to justify their actions, so therefore you don't have to be so defensive about yours. True 11 mths a year we'd not have on a swamp cooler. But thats not was said. It said we could use a swamp cooler 11 mths out of the year. Actually you could use it 12 mths, 365 days a year if you opted to. But only 11 mths it would be effective cooling. Nobody cools there homes in AZ in Jan we all get that. That wasn't the point. It would work in Jan if you needed it to. Nobody would cause you'd freeze you BUTT OFF. I think a Swamp Cooler works maybe 9 mths out of the year but who cares. 9 mths 6mths 2 mths, who cares. Swamp cooling works well in in most of AZ much of the time thats a fact. Anyone that disagrees with that disagrees with reality.
I LIKE SWAMP COOLING 10x BETTER THEN AC. Its cheaper to run and provides humidity. My sinus hate the dry air, and my daughter coughs every winter. What do we do? We put humidifiers on! Little swamp coolers! Her cough goes away. Its DRY closer to the Valley. Personally I love the Tucson weather much more then up here. People love to say whats right and wrong as blanket statements on this site. Its a personal choice what we use. I love just knowing I use a TurboKool, and think its funny a bunch of "mature" in age, crabby GMCers get all in a huff so fast. Ifs like your a bunch of safety matches. One little rub and people go up in flames.
I think thus far I AM THE ONLY GMCer with a TURBOKOOL on the roof. And I LOVE IT.
I HATE Onans smell. I hate hearing peoples generators all night long when I get away from it all. My RV makes NO NOISE OR SMELL at all now when camping except for the bathroom and a occasional gas leak Its my first step in being more concerned about my mental health and the air we breath then my personal comfort. If you want to enjoy the smell and sound of a Onan more power to you. I hope your not camping next to me. And if you are I hope you come over to my camper since we can use a ton of free wind/sun power.
I'm not interested in taking measurements. I'm not interested in selling the idea for TurboKool. I'm interested in my family and my coach. This isn't a science experiment its a GMC. Its a camper. Its a recreational device. Its something other then sleeping in a tent for me, and having to poop in a stinky hole! If I ever start to think that the GMC is something more then just a old camper I happen to like I need to give up. If it becomes a hassle then I don't need any more hassles.
As for the only one who asked intelligent questions Mickey heres for you...... Its 4.4 amps on high. Like 3 on med, 2.2 on low. I use a 10 amp PWM motor controller and can make it draw far less then 1 amp. I happen to use (4) 100w Mono Solar panels, (1) 300w Wind Turbine, and a MPPT Diversion/Charge Controller for squeezing out max power with 6 6v Gold Cart Batteries. I have nothing in my coach now that draws a lot of power so the TurboKool should work out well. It cost me $400 on ebay. It was new. I waited forever till I found a deal. They run $625 and thats high, $400 is high 2 but whatcha going to do!
All that being said, I love my Turbokool, rubber fuel lines, my kitchen hose bibb to divert water from the sink to a out door bucket! I love my aluminum vent I made around one of my trans coolers and the big fan I put on the other. I love that I filled my walls with tons of expansion foam, 5 layers of insulation on my ceiling, and my painted SUPER WHITE roof right down to the sides. By the time I maybe dead, the GMC will prob be 80 years old, who knows what my kids can do to it after that!
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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| Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler [message #166465 is a reply to message #166143] |
Sun, 15 April 2012 23:31 |
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Oh I forgot I really really love my Coolaroo Snap Shade! (YES THE SNAP SHADE, NOT ANY OTHER COOLAROO PRODUCT JUST THE SNAP SHADE ONE!
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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| Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler [message #166472 is a reply to message #166466] |
Mon, 16 April 2012 07:33 |
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Those of us in God's Humid Country (rural Sutheast) know better than to even try one. RH in the summer runs over 80% most of the time. Unless you're below the gnat line like Stick and Ken H - it's damper down there. The evaporator on my A/C makes more water than the turbokool uses in Arizona!
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
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Chris,
Oh oh!
With that one you're definitely off somebody's Christmas card list! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: Chris Choffat
Swamp is what it's all about. Cool has nothing to do with it.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler [message #166482 is a reply to message #166464] |
Mon, 16 April 2012 09:32 |
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Excuse me, Michael. I've not said anything negative about your Torbocool, or Turbocools in general. I have just attempted to answer Nancy's question about moisture in the air. I have extensive experience with evaporative coolers both from my personal use of them and in my professional capacity as a General Contractor. Although I'm sure Turbocool has addressed some of the negative issues that are present in conventional swamp coolers, the Torbocool operates on the same principle. I especially resent my opinions being called "stupid and uninformed" by your friend from Michigan.
Like I said earlier, I DON'T CARE how you want to experiment with your GMC. In fact, I applaud your willingness to be a guinea pig and try new and different things. I think I speak for others as well when I say we are interested in what you are doing and are especially interested in the results. Most of us take a more cautious approach when it comes to making modifications to our motor homes and spending money on them. That's why Rob requested some data from you, not so he could prove you wrong, but to see if the Turbocool would work for him, in his application.
Although my goal is to eventually set my GMC up to do it, I personally do not dry camp during the dry (or wet) summer months. I head to a cooler location like Silver City, Show Low, or Flagstaff. I do not annoy people with my Onan because I never use it when camped near other people, and wouldn't even think of running it overnight. Again, there are several of us that would be interested in the results of your experiment (and it IS an experiment, whether you like it or not) to see if it is something we might be interested in.
I am disturbed by your seemingly self centered attitude on not wanting to test and share your results. That is what this forum is all about; helping one another with projects that can be of benefit to the membership as a whole. I'm glad you are so happy with the mods you have made, but it would be of interest to the rest of us to find out if you feel that they were worth all the trouble and expense, after you have had a chance to use the coach for a while.
I am through with this thread and this will be my last comment on it. I will continue to monitor it though as I AM interested in how it turns out.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler [message #166513 is a reply to message #166464] |
Mon, 16 April 2012 14:55 |
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I have a TurboKool on my roof too, Michael. Worked very well in Black Rock City last August, highs no more than 95, and pretty dry. Haven't figured out how to empty the sump before starting to drive, as I also found that it splashes out on those high-G corners LOL.
But here's where I was coming from: I want to dry camp. I believe conventional wisdom that running an AC off batteries is not workable. So if I want any cooling at all, at any time of the year that the humidity allows, swamp coolers are the only option, since their current draw is a tiny fraction of an AC, and they do work quite well when they work at all. So maybe they won't work everywhere all the time, but my AC was on its last legs and making horrible noises so I jumped in with the TurboKool. Glad I did, so far at least.
Regarding list protocols: I completely echo Carl about a lot of us lurkers being very interested in your experiments. It takes courage or a bankroll to commit $$ to a speculative or less-than-fully proven product or concept. You seem to have one or the other and your enthusiasm and courage are admired and appreciated by me and I'm sure lots of others. And yes, we want to benefit for free and learn from your experiences, both good and bad. So do send us the data. Even if you or someone else concludes you made a mistake, hey, every single one of us on the list has made many. Join the club. But goodness, don't take anything personally (do you know Ruiz?), even if the conclusion is unarguable to you that the criticism or judgement was specifically directed at you.
My 2c. Double your money cheerfully refunded if not satisfied. LOL
Jay Rabe
76 PB
Portland, OR
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
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> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:27:51 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler
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> There is threads of foolish posts about the subject from people that know nothing on the mobile swamp cooler topic. I don't think anything was directed at you. Even you have have lived in Tucson however it is a totally different climate then CG. You get more rain then we do, and more humidity. Plus comparing a house swamp cooler wasn't asked. Its a mobile swamp cooler. As you have stated nobody needs to justify their actions, so therefore you don't have to be so defensive about yours. True 11 mths a year we'd not have on a swamp cooler. But thats not was said. It said we could use a swamp cooler 11 mths out of the year. Actually you could use it 12 mths, 365 days a year if you opted to. But only 11 mths it would be effective cooling. Nobody cools there homes in AZ in Jan we all get that. That wasn't the point. It would work in Jan if you needed it to. Nobody would cause you'd freeze you BUTT OFF. I think a Swamp Cooler works maybe 9 mths out of the year but who cares. 9 mth
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> 6mths 2 mths, who cares. Swamp cooling works well in in most of AZ much of the time thats a fact. Anyone that disagrees with that disagrees with reality.
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> I LIKE SWAMP COOLING 10x BETTER THEN AC. Its cheaper to run and provides humidity. My sinus hate the dry air, and my daughter coughs every winter. What do we do? We put humidifiers on! Little swamp coolers! Her cough goes away. Its DRY closer to the Valley. Personally I love the Tucson weather much more then up here. People love to say whats right and wrong as blanket statements on this site. Its a personal choice what we use. I love just knowing I use a TurboKool, and think its funny a bunch of "mature" in age, crabby GMCers get all in a huff so fast. Ifs like your a bunch of safety matches. One little rub and people go up in flames.
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> I think thus far I AM THE ONLY GMCer with a TURBOKOOL on the roof. And I LOVE IT.
> I HATE Onans smell. I hate hearing peoples generators all night long when I get away from it all. My RV makes NO NOISE OR SMELL at all now when camping except for the bathroom and a occasional gas leak :) Its my first step in being more concerned about my mental health and the air we breath then my personal comfort. If you want to enjoy the smell and sound of a Onan more power to you. I hope your not camping next to me. And if you are I hope you come over to my camper since we can use a ton of free wind/sun power.
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> I'm not interested in taking measurements. I'm not interested in selling the idea for TurboKool. I'm interested in my family and my coach. This isn't a science experiment its a GMC. Its a camper. Its a recreational device. Its something other then sleeping in a tent for me, and having to poop in a stinky hole! If I ever start to think that the GMC is something more then just a old camper I happen to like I need to give up. If it becomes a hassle then I don't need any more hassles.
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> As for the only one who asked intelligent questions Mickey heres for you...... Its 4.4 amps on high. Like 3 on med, 2.2 on low. I use a 10 amp PWM motor controller and can make it draw far less then 1 amp. I happen to use (4) 100w Mono Solar panels, (1) 300w Wind Turbine, and a MPPT Diversion/Charge Controller for squeezing out max power with 6 6v Gold Cart Batteries. I have nothing in my coach now that draws a lot of power so the TurboKool should work out well. It cost me $400 on ebay. It was new. I waited forever till I found a deal. They run $625 and thats high, $400 is high 2 but whatcha going to do!
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> All that being said, I love my Turbokool, rubber fuel lines, my kitchen hose bibb to divert water from the sink to a out door bucket! I love my aluminum vent I made around one of my trans coolers and the big fan I put on the other. I love that I filled my walls with tons of expansion foam, 5 layers of insulation on my ceiling, and my painted SUPER WHITE roof right down to the sides. By the time I maybe dead, the GMC will prob be 80 years old, who knows what my kids can do to it after that!
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> ***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
> Michael, Casa Grande, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler [message #166523 is a reply to message #166143] |
Mon, 16 April 2012 16:51 |
RadioActiveGMC
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Location: Hot AZ desert
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Carl- It wasn't my intent to offend you. And I didn't honestly think anyone called your thoughts stupid or foolish. I thought that referred to previous threads about the topic and wasn't pointed at anyone. I didn't write it, but give the benefit of the doubt.
I don't have a self centered attitude. I just have no interest in taking readings. I have no interest in sports either. Doesn't make me self centered. I have 800 million things besides GMCs in my life. I have a business, family, do 10-30 hrs a mth doing volunteer work, and am restoring 2 mercedes benz and the gmc. If the GMC turns into a lack of fun I don't want it. I look at it as a old camper that I really like to transform.It like I'm 10 again with better tools and more money to make my fort in something cool! Experiment?! Yes thats exactly what I'm doing! I agree 10000% My idea is if my ideas dont work well, well as long as I can get from point a to point b and not sleep outside, and not pee in the "stink house as my kids call the bathroom at camp grounds" I'm in good shape. My craftsmenship STINKS. I'll never get a award for quality job! I use tons of metal tape, silicone and anything else to cover up my mistakes! I've out over 40,000 in a coach not worth a fraction of it. But its a cool fort to play with! Today I just finished my last window felts up Now my forts windows all work.
HOWEVER I didn't think or realize that anyone cared to get real world feedback from my project. I'm not saying that for a pat on the back, just didn't think anyone would really care. Now that I have read that it makes me change my mind a bit. Comfort is a opinion. I'm often hot, my wifes cold were in the same room. So everyones comfort level is different. If data will assist others for learning and not arguing I'll be glad to measure, maybe you can help me take the measurements. My TurboKool is not currently working since I'm waiting on the float.
Jay, I own a home in Oregon and think the TurboKool would work well there in the summer. I had to laugh about a splash. One of the reasons I'm taking the float so serious is I want water levels to remain under the plastic guard at all times. Setting it has been brutal. I'm far from wealthy. But my attitude about $$ is different then most. I might as well be poor buying the cool items I want and give them a try. If I dont and save it all when a disastor hits all the money will be gone anyway. I'd rather it be gone in advance! I really have no materialistic ways. Stuff is stuff. The best stuff breaks, the nice stuff gets stolen, the bad stuff rusts away. But stuffs stuff. I doesn't define me at all. One min I wear Rolex the next Timex I don't care. But I have fun along the way. I've done more things in my life then many my age. Being told you shouldn't even try or its crazy. People tell me now my GMC is a bad investment, I agree 100%! I'm glad Im not a alcoholic or drugy, cause then I'd be really broke!
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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Mon, 16 April 2012 17:17 |
JohnL455
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Since it's a "Motorhome" amd motors around the country it all depends on when and where you are. In AZ in the dry months it will be nice for sleeping Adding some moisture is a good thing and it brings in all fresh outside air. At your next stop it may be useless. Why not have the best of both worlds and put one in the rear hole. That would be good for sleeping at night under the right conditions. One rooftop will always cool the coach at night with no solar load to overcome. The only downside is the peak afternoon hours where you need all of 2 rooftops to cool in the sun, but since it's not sleeping time you should be OK. Will also shed some pounds from behind the rear wheels which is almost always a good thing. I don't have one, so just my thoughts.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Swamp Cooler [message #166569 is a reply to message #166143] |
Mon, 16 April 2012 23:27 |
RadioActiveGMC
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My motorhome doesn't tool around the country. It pretty much stays in AZ. I have little plans on any long haul trips out of the south west. We go to the mountains and back. We might start using it for a little longer trips maybe, but never far outside this climate. If I'm going on a long trip its in a plane!!! Our motorhome is more of a snazzy tent on wheels lol Its more of a weekend warrior then full time machine. 99.9999% of the time its just a really expensive parking spot filler upper that costs a fortune.
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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