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Wed, 07 March 2012 09:47  |
tmaki
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At the Mariposa rally a few years back, I video'd the
complete bearing R&R procedure from jacking up the coach to
as far as we could go considering the lack of a correct part
and fading light.
It was an all day deal, and I worked with Craig
(Craig...Craig...Gene Fisher, help me out here - I can't
remember his last name...).
Anyways, it was up close and personal. Not a bench-top
thing. All the sights, sounds and smells of doing this job
in the dirt, with tools, rags, rust, spider webs and other
drek that you (or your fully-informed mechanic) will see and
experience. When you finish watching the video, you will
probably have to wash your hands and put on clean clothes.
We couldn't finish to the "wheels back on the road"
conclusion because Craig discovered that he needed a new
hub. A replacement was not available, so we had to end the
whole thing at that point. He put it back together as best
he could the next day.
But...most of the procedure - especially the hard parts -
are there. There is also some time spent with Darren Paget
and his bearing tool set (which is no longer available, but
highly desirable if you can find one). Toward the end of the
day, there is a little of Chuck Aulgur doing a bench-top
demo of the bearing R&R, but that couldn't be finished
because a required tool was missing.
I haven't edited it yet, but if anybody is interested, I can
put it together and offer it. I figure the same deal as with
the Onan video - a share of the proceeds to go to Patrick
and Billy to help support the mailing list.
So...there you go.
Toby Maki
'73 Glacier 230
Riverside, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Speaking of front bearing R&R videos ... [message #162465 is a reply to message #162398] |
Thu, 08 March 2012 10:47  |
emerystora
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Was this Craig Stanley?
Emery Stora
On Mar 7, 2012, at 8:47 AM, tmaki wrote:
> At the Mariposa rally a few years back, I video'd the
> complete bearing R&R procedure from jacking up the coach to
> as far as we could go considering the lack of a correct part
> and fading light.
>
> It was an all day deal, and I worked with Craig
> (Craig...Craig...Gene Fisher, help me out here - I can't
> remember his last name...).
>
> Anyways, it was up close and personal. Not a bench-top
> thing. All the sights, sounds and smells of doing this job
> in the dirt, with tools, rags, rust, spider webs and other
> drek that you (or your fully-informed mechanic) will see and
> experience. When you finish watching the video, you will
> probably have to wash your hands and put on clean clothes.
>
> We couldn't finish to the "wheels back on the road"
> conclusion because Craig discovered that he needed a new
> hub. A replacement was not available, so we had to end the
> whole thing at that point. He put it back together as best
> he could the next day.
>
> But...most of the procedure - especially the hard parts -
> are there. There is also some time spent with Darren Paget
> and his bearing tool set (which is no longer available, but
> highly desirable if you can find one). Toward the end of the
> day, there is a little of Chuck Aulgur doing a bench-top
> demo of the bearing R&R, but that couldn't be finished
> because a required tool was missing.
>
> I haven't edited it yet, but if anybody is interested, I can
> put it together and offer it. I figure the same deal as with
> the Onan video - a share of the proceeds to go to Patrick
> and Billy to help support the mailing list.
>
> So...there you go.
>
>
>
>
> Toby Maki
> '73 Glacier 230
> Riverside, CA
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Santa Fe, NM
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| Re: [GMCnet] Speaking of front bearing R&R videos ... [message #162532 is a reply to message #162474] |
Fri, 09 March 2012 08:28 |
Jim Bounds
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If you were referring to the wheel bearings we changed at the mariposa rally way back, yes-- that was Craig S. He had a great time and I bet a great time cleaning his clothes. He continually scratched his nose and with the volume of grease that seemed to jump onto him, you can imagine what he looked like. hey, but he had a great time and isn;t that what it's all about!
Speaking of front wheel bearings, let me throw you an idea--- Having the part, a Temkin bearing set 23 and the seal even having the wheel puller is really not enough. Now you need the expertice to not only seperate the hub & knuckle but also the knowledge to size up the issues and determine where the problem is. Then usually, you will find a hub, a knuckle or both willbe needed that is if you understand the dynamics of the assembly. Now, you have shipping 2 ways because the core hub or knuckle that you will enevidably find something bad -- there is shipping, just no way around it. So here is the idea, since you already will be shipping something usually, that is if you can figure it out-- as important as the interrferance fit is of the assembly and putting the assembly back together properly is just so dang important-- why don;t you simply spend the money you already will be spending to send the entire assembly to Jim K. , myself or someone
else who understands what's happening and have them do the R&R and evaluation of the syste. We charge 1 hours labor to totally break down and reassemble a front knuckle/hub assembly. That's short money to assure one of your front wheels will not pop off. Taking the knuckle off the coach can be done by most anyone-- no unique tools needed. With the knuckle off the coach, now the rest of the front suspension can be checked "unloaded". You can get the fun out of your system checking and doing stuff to all those parts-- let us evaluate and repair anything needed in the knuckle assembly and send it back to you to just put in. This bypasses all the "first time" use of a unique wheel puller, the worry that you did it right and you will have the peace of mind to know all is good when you put it back together.
A smart man is not one that does "everything himself" but one who knows how to get everything done better than he can do the job. Also this way, you are supporting the GMC specific dealer structure by doing things you can do and letting others do things they are good at. If you just wanna do it cause, fine-- go for it but if you just wanna know your front wheels will not pop off, you know this service needs to be done then "get-r-done" and I think this would be the best way to know it was done right. I have no doubt contrasting views abound and thats fine. We do this service for many people and find they actually save money and time in the long run plus the knowldege more than they have was used to bring their coach to a reliable condition can only be a good thing.
Don't need no stinkn wheel puller, rusttle up bearings and seals, figure out how the puller works then how to figure out the problem-- just mail it off...
Jim Bounds
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From: Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com>
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Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Speaking of front bearing R&R videos ...
I haven't talked with Craig for perhaps two years now.
The last I knew he had a GMC in California and kept another one in Florida so that he could use it when he flew to Florida.
Jim Bounds might know.
Emery Stora
On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:02 AM, tmaki wrote:
> On 3/8/2012 8:47 AM, Emery Stora wrote:
>> Was this Craig Stanley?
>>
>> Emery Stora
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 8:47 AM, tmaki wrote:
>>
>>> At the Mariposa rally a few years back, I video'd the
>>> complete bearing R&R procedure
>
> Yes. (I've got to write that down on the tape box.) He had quite an
> adventure with it.
>
> Haven't seen him around for quite a while. What ever happened to him?
> Did he become un-GMC'd? Hope all is well with him otherwise.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Speaking of front bearing R&R videos ... [message #162543 is a reply to message #162532] |
Fri, 09 March 2012 10:05 |
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if possible how much would that cost if only bearings for both sides boxed up and sent to you and back. bearings only say.
just for future proofing. thinking ahead about it - for a bearing kitty.
On Mar 9, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Jim Bounds wrote:
> If you were referring to the wheel bearings we changed at the mariposa rally way back, yes-- that was Craig S. He had a great time and I bet a great time cleaning his clothes. He continually scratched his nose and with the volume of grease that seemed to jump onto him, you can imagine what he looked like. hey, but he had a great time and isn;t that what it's all about!
>
> Speaking of front wheel bearings, let me throw you an idea--- Having the part, a Temkin bearing set 23 and the seal even having the wheel puller is really not enough. Now you need the expertice to not only seperate the hub & knuckle but also the knowledge to size up the issues and determine where the problem is. Then usually, you will find a hub, a knuckle or both willbe needed that is if you understand the dynamics of the assembly. Now, you have shipping 2 ways because the core hub or knuckle that you will enevidably find something bad -- there is shipping, just no way around it. So here is the idea, since you already will be shipping something usually, that is if you can figure it out-- as important as the interrferance fit is of the assembly and putting the assembly back together properly is just so dang important-- why don;t you simply spend the money you already will be spending to send the entire assembly to Jim K. , myself or someone
> else who understands what's happening and have them do the R&R and evaluation of the syste. We charge 1 hours labor to totally break down and reassemble a front knuckle/hub assembly. That's short money to assure one of your front wheels will not pop off. Taking the knuckle off the coach can be done by most anyone-- no unique tools needed. With the knuckle off the coach, now the rest of the front suspension can be checked "unloaded". You can get the fun out of your system checking and doing stuff to all those parts-- let us evaluate and repair anything needed in the knuckle assembly and send it back to you to just put in. This bypasses all the "first time" use of a unique wheel puller, the worry that you did it right and you will have the peace of mind to know all is good when you put it back together.
>
> A smart man is not one that does "everything himself" but one who knows how to get everything done better than he can do the job. Also this way, you are supporting the GMC specific dealer structure by doing things you can do and letting others do things they are good at. If you just wanna do it cause, fine-- go for it but if you just wanna know your front wheels will not pop off, you know this service needs to be done then "get-r-done" and I think this would be the best way to know it was done right. I have no doubt contrasting views abound and thats fine. We do this service for many people and find they actually save money and time in the long run plus the knowldege more than they have was used to bring their coach to a reliable condition can only be a good thing.
>
> Don't need no stinkn wheel puller, rusttle up bearings and seals, figure out how the puller works then how to figure out the problem-- just mail it off...
>
> Jim Bounds
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> From: Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Speaking of front bearing R&R videos ...
>
> I haven't talked with Craig for perhaps two years now.
> The last I knew he had a GMC in California and kept another one in Florida so that he could use it when he flew to Florida.
> Jim Bounds might know.
>
> Emery Stora
>
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:02 AM, tmaki wrote:
>
>> On 3/8/2012 8:47 AM, Emery Stora wrote:
>>> Was this Craig Stanley?
>>>
>>> Emery Stora
>>>
>>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 8:47 AM, tmaki wrote:
>>>
>>>> At the Mariposa rally a few years back, I video'd the
>>>> complete bearing R&R procedure
>>
>> Yes. (I've got to write that down on the tape box.) He had quite an
>> adventure with it.
>>
>> Haven't seen him around for quite a while. What ever happened to him?
>> Did he become un-GMC'd? Hope all is well with him otherwise.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Speaking of front bearing R&R videos ... [message #162544 is a reply to message #162532] |
Fri, 09 March 2012 10:06 |
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i am in anaheim, ca. sorry.
On Mar 9, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Jim Bounds wrote:
> If you were referring to the wheel bearings we changed at the mariposa rally way back, yes-- that was Craig S. He had a great time and I bet a great time cleaning his clothes. He continually scratched his nose and with the volume of grease that seemed to jump onto him, you can imagine what he looked like. hey, but he had a great time and isn;t that what it's all about!
>
> Speaking of front wheel bearings, let me throw you an idea--- Having the part, a Temkin bearing set 23 and the seal even having the wheel puller is really not enough. Now you need the expertice to not only seperate the hub & knuckle but also the knowledge to size up the issues and determine where the problem is. Then usually, you will find a hub, a knuckle or both willbe needed that is if you understand the dynamics of the assembly. Now, you have shipping 2 ways because the core hub or knuckle that you will enevidably find something bad -- there is shipping, just no way around it. So here is the idea, since you already will be shipping something usually, that is if you can figure it out-- as important as the interrferance fit is of the assembly and putting the assembly back together properly is just so dang important-- why don;t you simply spend the money you already will be spending to send the entire assembly to Jim K. , myself or someone
> else who understands what's happening and have them do the R&R and evaluation of the syste. We charge 1 hours labor to totally break down and reassemble a front knuckle/hub assembly. That's short money to assure one of your front wheels will not pop off. Taking the knuckle off the coach can be done by most anyone-- no unique tools needed. With the knuckle off the coach, now the rest of the front suspension can be checked "unloaded". You can get the fun out of your system checking and doing stuff to all those parts-- let us evaluate and repair anything needed in the knuckle assembly and send it back to you to just put in. This bypasses all the "first time" use of a unique wheel puller, the worry that you did it right and you will have the peace of mind to know all is good when you put it back together.
>
> A smart man is not one that does "everything himself" but one who knows how to get everything done better than he can do the job. Also this way, you are supporting the GMC specific dealer structure by doing things you can do and letting others do things they are good at. If you just wanna do it cause, fine-- go for it but if you just wanna know your front wheels will not pop off, you know this service needs to be done then "get-r-done" and I think this would be the best way to know it was done right. I have no doubt contrasting views abound and thats fine. We do this service for many people and find they actually save money and time in the long run plus the knowldege more than they have was used to bring their coach to a reliable condition can only be a good thing.
>
> Don't need no stinkn wheel puller, rusttle up bearings and seals, figure out how the puller works then how to figure out the problem-- just mail it off...
>
> Jim Bounds
> ---------------------
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Speaking of front bearing R&R videos ...
>
> I haven't talked with Craig for perhaps two years now.
> The last I knew he had a GMC in California and kept another one in Florida so that he could use it when he flew to Florida.
> Jim Bounds might know.
>
> Emery Stora
>
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:02 AM, tmaki wrote:
>
>> On 3/8/2012 8:47 AM, Emery Stora wrote:
>>> Was this Craig Stanley?
>>>
>>> Emery Stora
>>>
>>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 8:47 AM, tmaki wrote:
>>>
>>>> At the Mariposa rally a few years back, I video'd the
>>>> complete bearing R&R procedure
>>
>> Yes. (I've got to write that down on the tape box.) He had quite an
>> adventure with it.
>>
>> Haven't seen him around for quite a while. What ever happened to him?
>> Did he become un-GMC'd? Hope all is well with him otherwise.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Speaking of front bearing R&R videos ... [message #162556 is a reply to message #162532] |
Fri, 09 March 2012 11:36 |
tmaki
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On 3/9/2012 6:28 AM, Jim Bounds wrote:
> If you were referring to the wheel bearings we changed at
> the mariposa rally way back, yes-- that was Craig S. He
> had a great time and I bet a great time cleaning his
> clothes. He continually scratched his nose and with the
> volume of grease that seemed to jump onto him, you can
> imagine what he looked like. hey, but he had a great
> time and isn;t that what it's all about!
Yup, that's how I remember it. It was such a disappointment
to find he couldn't finish it up completely, but he was a
trouper. He never got discouraged, and your (Jim) guys
helped him when he needed it. A great learning experience.
That's why I video'd it. When I did my bearings a couple of
years ago, I referred to the video several times. It's not a
terribly difficult job, but it's nice to have a preview of
what to expect.
>
> Speaking of front wheel bearings, let me throw you an
> idea--- <good idea snipped> just mail it off...
If and when I do the bearings again (and don't do any other
mod or upgrade), this sounds like a winner. Depending on
time and circumstances, I'd do it.
Toby Maki
'73 Glacier 230
Riverside, CA
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