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| Re: New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B [message #159640 is a reply to message #159639] |
Wed, 08 February 2012 13:25   |
Carl S.
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| PETEinLongBeach wrote on Wed, 08 February 2012 12:09 |
Do most engine fires break out on the left side, and this is the reason for the discharge head mount position?
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Jim said that he located the head there because it is near the transmission vent. If the transmission is over-filled, the fluid can expand and come out of the vent. If you don't have an elbow and a hose to divert that fluid past the exhaust pipe, it can come in contact with the hot exhaust system and ignite. He also explained that, in the event of a fire, the fuse on the head would trigger, filling the entire engine compartment with foam.
It doesn't appear that the location of the head is all that critical, but it makes sense to locate it near possible ignition points like that one.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B [message #169919 is a reply to message #159653] |
Wed, 16 May 2012 20:56 |
Ken Henderson
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I thought there was a very recent fire & extinguisher thread, but I can't
find it, so I'll use this one. When I went to the welding shop today to
build a final drive adapter for my floor jack, my buddy pointed next door
to the Star Racing (motorcycles) shop, asking "did you notice that from 4
o'clock this morning?":
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/odds-n-ends/p44267-sob-refrigerator-fire.html
Need I say more? Maybe I WILL install an automatic extinguisher in the
reefer compartment.
Ken H.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> Pete,
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> Here's a link to a document WE all created:
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> http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Mueller_GMCer-Fire-Guide.pdf
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> It is well worth reading and incorporating the suggestions made.
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> Regards,
> Rob M.
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| Re: New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B [message #169920 is a reply to message #159620] |
Wed, 16 May 2012 21:05 |
GeorgeRud
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An automatically deploying foam or halon extinguisher in the engine, reefer, and generator compartment is an excellent idea. If you also have a handheld one in the coach by the cooktop, you're probably well prepared.
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B [message #169974 is a reply to message #169959] |
Thu, 17 May 2012 10:39 |
Jim Bounds
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Matt,
I must have missed a post to Fire Fight Products about your SS25 deploying, sorry. Just send it to me & I will check out and recharge it for you. The problem in protecting the original Onan in the GMC is that Troll is really jammed in there-- not much room for anything. The SS25 was the smallest format unit we had. I have discontinued it in favor of trying to put a foam system in there. If you would like to trade that unit in for what we're working on let me know.
The Halon 1211 is certainly a seriously good option and I do not think it is no good. I however feel the foam is really what we need in the engine as well as the generator. We have a perfect fitting foam system (SS100R4AFFF) if you look at the web site www.firefightproducts.com Fits well and dumping 2 liters of foam on the motor I feel really will do the job. I think dumping 2 liters of foam on the generator is the good way as well. Yea, it's a little more money and I am not recommending it because of that but if the end game is to truly protect the coach, this does it.
Price must not be the point because only 2 people here on the net has taken me up on the smokn deal I made for all GMC owners, call me crazy but I simply cannot understand why given a really cost effective way to protect your coach and your investment from one of the only ways your coach will be pulled from your hands --- why more people have not done it. I've been told I alienate myself when I say this but heck, I've never been one to pull punches in the past so guys, if you run your coach on the road (it's not just a back yard ornament) you really need to have fire countermeasures! The number one reason for RV total losses is fire! I am giving you guys 10% off -- whats the problem!ire Fight back up-- guys it's something we all need. It's something that is not available any other way.
I am not saying all of this as someone trying to hock parts-- that's really not it and that's also not why I picked Fire Fight back up. In fact there is a member of this list how financially helped me get the product back on the market! You gays gotta understand, Fire Fight is a product is a product from the GMCnet! Cost-- what is the cost of safety? No one is offering you anything like Fire Fight Products for this use-- just nothing else out there. That's why we are producing it.
Take out of your minds what a thing like this costs, what would it cost to replace your coach! But it really is not that expensive anyway. I have Jim K. getting set up to carry the stuff, he now has his hazmat shipping certificate so he soon will have all the products. This is not a "buy from the Co-op" thing-- buy it from me, from jim, call the number on the web site (it's my number anyway", just get it.
I am offering you guys-- from Jim or from me--- 10% off plus free shipping through the end of the month. That's the commitment I made at the WS rally. Buy it from whoever but we will give you that if you will just do something to protect yourself. Feel proud that the GMC community is supporting the rest of the RV industry--- you are!
I'm done now, I'll shut up-- sorry if I offended,
Jim Bounds
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From: Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B
Foam may be good, I have used it (and an OBA) on a several important occasions. I am still waiting for a hand held version that will deploy after an overnight below freezing.
I am still annoyed that my SS-25 for the APU deployed with no reason. Even though I now have a good AG policy, I would really like to find a substitute. I have not been advised that it can be recharged.
Matt
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SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B [message #169976 is a reply to message #169919] |
Thu, 17 May 2012 11:06 |
Jim Bounds
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Ken,
Didn;t see your pic til just now-- that is a frig fire! There is a national recall on Norcold and Dometic figes-- national! The amonia gas is breeching caused by burst cooling unit, the hydrogen in the Amonia gas is doing this. Talk all day about theory--- coaches are burning!!! Like you said, do I need to say more.
Besides my feelings about the gout I have, I am so frustrated about the apathy folks are sticking their heads in the dround while their asses are burning! Fire Fight Products can help, do I need to say anything further? The SS30 1 pound Halon 1211 system would have probably stopped that fire. It' costs $165= @ $11 shipping. You gays can have this unit for $148.50 net! Don't tell all those people with SOB's you are getting this deal, it's just for you GMC guys! Come on, what are you doing-- be sure to carry some smores for when this happens to you!!!
Jim Bounds
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From: Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B
I thought there was a very recent fire & extinguisher thread, but I can't
find it, so I'll use this one. When I went to the welding shop today to
build a final drive adapter for my floor jack, my buddy pointed next door
to the Star Racing (motorcycles) shop, asking "did you notice that from 4
o'clock this morning?":
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/odds-n-ends/p44267-sob-refrigerator-fire.html
Need I say more? Maybe I WILL install an automatic extinguisher in the
reefer compartment.
Ken H.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> Pete,
>
> Here's a link to a document WE all created:
>
> http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Mueller_GMCer-Fire-Guide.pdf
>
> It is well worth reading and incorporating the suggestions made.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
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| Re: [GMCnet] New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B [message #169977 is a reply to message #169974] |
Thu, 17 May 2012 11:12 |
Gary Worobec
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I bought one of Jim's systems at the WS rally. The reason for it is that if
I have a fire in the coach and can't get it out real quick there is no way
I'll ever get my money back from insurance for what I have in the coach if
it burns to the ground. Just not going to happen. At least with the
Firefight system I may have damage but it will be fixable and I won't lose
the entire investment. The other reason is that it would give us time to GET
OUT of the coach before a major breach into the passenger area. I carry a
10lb halon plus some small foam extinguishers. With the Firefight automatic
system I will feel much more confident in the ability to mitigate both
injury and damage. Having been in the marine industry for 25 years in a
previous life both as a yacht constructor and marine surveyor it always
amazed me that the smallest chain of events can cause a catastrophe. I had
one scary experience in the GMC a couple of years ago that changed my
thinking on fire prevention. That is is the issue with the gasket on the
intake manifold choke heater. If you will note that running right beside the
flange is a wiring loom covered in black convoluted tubing. If that gasket
fails (and they do fail) you will have a very hot exhaust gas jet melt the
tubing., then the wires inside the tubing which will cause a short which
will then light the whole loom on fire. Once that happens all the insulation
will start to burn and then the dash goes up in flames. And so on and so
on......... .
Fires never start by themselves. It is always a small chain of events that
leads to problems. Any one of which would seem innocuous but put them
together and you have a recipe for disaster.
Unless you are prepared to walk away from your GMC investment I would give
the Firefight system a hard look. Excellent Mothers Day. Fathers Day,
Christmas, Easter or Hanukkah gift to you or each other.
Also the Firefight unit for the GMC is a quality product. It's very well
engineered and put together using quality stuff (A plug for you Jim)
Thanks
Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bounds" <gmccoop@yahoo.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B
Matt,
I must have missed a post to Fire Fight Products about your SS25 deploying,
sorry. Just send it to me & I will check out and recharge it for you. The
problem in protecting the original Onan in the GMC is that Troll is really
jammed in there-- not much room for anything. The SS25 was the smallest
format unit we had. I have discontinued it in favor of trying to put a foam
system in there. If you would like to trade that unit in for what we're
working on let me know.
The Halon 1211 is certainly a seriously good option and I do not think it is
no good. I however feel the foam is really what we need in the engine as
well as the generator. We have a perfect fitting foam system (SS100R4AFFF)
if you look at the web site www.firefightproducts.com Fits well and dumping
2 liters of foam on the motor I feel really will do the job. I think dumping
2 liters of foam on the generator is the good way as well. Yea, it's a
little more money and I am not recommending it because of that but if the
end game is to truly protect the coach, this does it.
Price must not be the point because only 2 people here on the net has taken
me up on the smokn deal I made for all GMC owners, call me crazy but I
simply cannot understand why given a really cost effective way to protect
your coach and your investment from one of the only ways your coach will be
pulled from your hands --- why more people have not done it. I've been told
I alienate myself when I say this but heck, I've never been one to pull
punches in the past so guys, if you run your coach on the road (it's not
just a back yard ornament) you really need to have fire countermeasures! The
number one reason for RV total losses is fire! I am giving you guys 10%
off -- whats the problem!ire Fight back up-- guys it's something we all
need. It's something that is not available any other way.
I am not saying all of this as someone trying to hock parts-- that's really
not it and that's also not why I picked Fire Fight back up. In fact there is
a member of this list how financially helped me get the product back on the
market! You gays gotta understand, Fire Fight is a product is a product from
the GMCnet! Cost-- what is the cost of safety? No one is offering you
anything like Fire Fight Products for this use-- just nothing else out
there. That's why we are producing it.
Take out of your minds what a thing like this costs, what would it cost to
replace your coach! But it really is not that expensive anyway. I have Jim
K. getting set up to carry the stuff, he now has his hazmat shipping
certificate so he soon will have all the products. This is not a "buy from
the Co-op" thing-- buy it from me, from jim, call the number on the web site
(it's my number anyway", just get it.
I am offering you guys-- from Jim or from me--- 10% off plus free shipping
through the end of the month. That's the commitment I made at the WS rally.
Buy it from whoever but we will give you that if you will just do something
to protect yourself. Feel proud that the GMC community is supporting the
rest of the RV industry--- you are!
I'm done now, I'll shut up-- sorry if I offended,
Jim Bounds
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From: Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B
Foam may be good, I have used it (and an OBA) on a several important
occasions. I am still waiting for a hand held version that will deploy after
an overnight below freezing.
I am still annoyed that my SS-25 for the APU deployed with no reason. Even
though I now have a good AG policy, I would really like to find a
substitute. I have not been advised that it can be recharged.
Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie
'73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you will
find
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B [message #169985 is a reply to message #169979] |
Thu, 17 May 2012 12:08 |
James Hupy
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I have personal expreience with several burned GMCs. Todd Sullivan
(Sullybag) is putting the finishing touches on the rebuild and repaint from
an engine fire that was fought with dry chemical extinguisers. The dry
chemical did extinguish the fire, but caused far more damage than the fire
did. He has labored long and hard to get rid of all the corrosion the
chemicals caused.
I repaired a wire harness in a coach earlier this year for Paul Hoge
caused by a dead short to ground by the positive battery terminal. It
destroyed the complete harness, the light switch, dimmer switch, horn
relays, horns, back side of the fuse block, and on and on. Paul ripped out
the harness with his bare hands, saving the coach.
Paul and Jackie Jones had a coach that they had bought 9 hours earlier
burn to the lug nuts, a total loss.
Another young couple, Jeff Eichen and his lady, had a coach catch on
fire and was put out with dry chemicals, rendering it into a parts donor.
I personally have my engine compartment protected with a Halon
automatic deployment extinguisher. Won't leave home without it. The new
AAAfoam bottles that self deploy and are sized appropriately for engine,
refrigerator, generator compartments are DAMN CHEAP INSURANCE. Step up and
pay once. Your life and the lives of your loved ones are dependent upon
your clear thinking on this subject of safety. Listen to what Jim Bounds
is saying. No one is getting rich here, they are just trying to cover your
butt, even if you won't.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Jim Galbavy <j.galbavy@att.net> wrote:
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> Matt and JimB.
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> I put Fire Fight's products on my GMC years ago after seeing coach after
> coach burn on I-95. I got Halon 1211 all around to include a hand held
> SS-35 from Ralph. While living up in Virginia this gave me year round
> coverage. I still believe in the systems today and agree that the AFFF foam
> is step better than what I have today. Jim is right that this is a VERY
> inexpensive way to save any coach from fire and it fights the fire while
> you get your family and loved ones out. Years ago I was an armor officer
> and had fire supression systems and hand helds onboard. The army's policy
> was for the crew to fight the fire after the supression system deployed
> with the hand helds. MY policy was to use the supression system and hand
> helds to get the crew out and a safe distance away. I believe in saving my
> family and crews. A motorhome or tank can be replaced or repaired.
>
> jim glabavy
> '73 x-CL ANNIE
> Lake Mary, Fl
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| Re: [GMCnet] New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B [message #169989 is a reply to message #169985] |
Thu, 17 May 2012 12:42 |
Carleton Douglas[1]
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Jim, you did not answer Matt's question on all season foam I know they
have it as I have 5 gallons sitting in my shop, to put in my shop
extinguishers. We get down to single digits here.
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:08 AM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have personal expreience with several burned GMCs. Todd Sullivan
> (Sullybag) is putting the finishing touches on the rebuild and repaint from
> an engine fire that was fought with dry chemical extinguisers. The dry
> chemical did extinguish the fire, but caused far more damage than the fire
> did. He has labored long and hard to get rid of all the corrosion the
> chemicals caused.
> I repaired a wire harness in a coach earlier this year for Paul Hoge
> caused by a dead short to ground by the positive battery terminal. It
> destroyed the complete harness, the light switch, dimmer switch, horn
> relays, horns, back side of the fuse block, and on and on. Paul ripped out
> the harness with his bare hands, saving the coach.
> Paul and Jackie Jones had a coach that they had bought 9 hours earlier
> burn to the lug nuts, a total loss.
> Another young couple, Jeff Eichen and his lady, had a coach catch on
> fire and was put out with dry chemicals, rendering it into a parts donor.
> I personally have my engine compartment protected with a Halon
> automatic deployment extinguisher. Won't leave home without it. The new
> AAAfoam bottles that self deploy and are sized appropriately for engine,
> refrigerator, generator compartments are DAMN CHEAP INSURANCE. Step up and
> pay once. Your life and the lives of your loved ones are dependent upon
> your clear thinking on this subject of safety. Listen to what Jim Bounds
> is saying. No one is getting rich here, they are just trying to cover your
> butt, even if you won't.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, OR
> 78 GMC Royale 403
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Jim Galbavy <j.galbavy@att.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Matt and JimB.
>>
>> I put Fire Fight's products on my GMC years ago after seeing coach after
>> coach burn on I-95. I got Halon 1211 all around to include a hand held
>> SS-35 from Ralph. While living up in Virginia this gave me year round
>> coverage. I still believe in the systems today and agree that the AFFF foam
>> is step better than what I have today. Jim is right that this is a VERY
>> inexpensive way to save any coach from fire and it fights the fire while
>> you get your family and loved ones out. Years ago I was an armor officer
>> and had fire supression systems and hand helds onboard. The army's policy
>> was for the crew to fight the fire after the supression system deployed
>> with the hand helds. MY policy was to use the supression system and hand
>> helds to get the crew out and a safe distance away. I believe in saving my
>> family and crews. A motorhome or tank can be replaced or repaired.
>>
>> jim glabavy
>> '73 x-CL ANNIE
>> Lake Mary, Fl
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| Re: [GMCnet] New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B [message #170059 is a reply to message #169974] |
Thu, 17 May 2012 22:36 |
Adrien G.
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Jim B.,
Can you tell us about weather this fire system units are refillable, or a one time use?
Also, what kind of clean up work is there after the fire is suppressed? I do know about the mess with the powder kind.
Thanks.
Adrien & Jenny Genesoto
75 Glenbrook (26-3) Mods LS3.70 FD / Reaction Sys / 80mm Front&Intermidiate / Hydroboost / 16" Tires / Frame Rebuild / Interior Rebuild
Yuba City,Ca. Text 530-nine-3-three-3-nine-nine-6
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| Re: New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B [message #170063 is a reply to message #170021] |
Fri, 18 May 2012 03:32 |
Ken Burton
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I have brought this up before and it was pretty much ignored. When installing foam extinguishers I would highly recommend AR-AFFF rather than AFFF.
The AR is alcohol resistant. AFFF is suppose to be OK for up to 9% alcohol fuel fires and AR-AFFF is to be used for 10% and above. Since in many areas of the country we are getting stuck with this 10% crap fuel (soon to go to 15%) you can see that we are right on the boundary line for needing AR-AFFF. The problem is the alcohol tends to break up the bubbles in the foam reducing the effectiveness of the extinguisher.
There is no difference in the extinguishers themselves. The difference is in the contents. Normally AFFF is mixed at 3% while is AR-AFFF is mixed at 6%.
Most public fire departments that respond to vehicle fires use AR-AFFF these days. Airport fire departments use AFFF (as dictated by the FAA) because aircraft never use alcohol diluted crap fuel. At my airport we actually have two trucks with foam. One for aircraft (3%), and one for road vehicles (6%). These trucks mix on the fly so it is easy to change from one mix to the other if it was ever needed.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B [message #170071 is a reply to message #170063] |
Fri, 18 May 2012 06:39 |
Jim Bounds
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Ken,
Your observation is interesting and in that what you do, you certainly should know about this. I will ask my supplier about is but our mix rate is 9%. Ralph wanted to totally slime that fire! The bubbles are formed when the solution excapes and shortly after that it turns to a slimy layer sticking to everything it touches. That's really the fire retardent leyer.
I will ask the question, I certainly am not ignoring the question though. As in the case of aircraft, I would think they are more concerned with actual fuel spills, in our case we are putting out an engine fire, ATF dripping on the exh. manifolds, carb fire where the fuel is inside of the carb itself-- stuff like that. The test is to ignite a tray of open fuel, I don;t know that there is a reasonable representation of the fires we would face.
I will ask and get back to you,
Jim Bounds
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From: Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B
I have brought this up before and it was pretty much ignored. When installing foam extinguishers I would highly recommend AR-AFFF rather than AFFF.
The AR is alcohol resistant. AFFF is suppose to be OK for up to 9% alcohol fuel fires and AR-AFFF is to be used for 10% and above. Since in many areas of the country we are getting stuck with this 10% crap fuel (soon to go to 15%) you can see that we are right on the boundary line for needing AR-AFFF. The problem is the alcohol tends to break up the bubbles in the foam reducing the effectiveness of the extinguisher.
There is no difference in the extinguishers themselves. The difference is in the contents. Normally AFFF is mixed at 3% while is AR-AFFF is mixed at 6%.
Most public fire departments that respond to vehicle fires use AR-AFFF these days. Airport fire departments use AFFF (as dictated by the FAA) because aircraft never use alcohol diluted crap fuel. At my airport we actually have two trucks with foam. One for aircraft (3%), and one for road vehicles (6%). These trucks mix on the fly so it is easy to change from one mix to the other if it was ever needed.
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B [message #170073 is a reply to message #170059] |
Fri, 18 May 2012 06:44 |
Jim Bounds
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Adrien,
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This is a point Ralph was very insistent on. He wanted the products to be as much a "1 time purchase" as possible. Other than the SS20 earosol 16oz. foam unit for the galley, etc. all of the units are refillable in fact if the gauge ever goes out of the green, call and we will take the unit back in and for $25 and the shipping we'll recheck everything and recharge it. If you have a documented fire where the system deployed, give me pics and the story and we will replace the unit for free! It's the evidence to show other the importance of being prepared that's important here.
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There is a full 1 year warranty on any loss of pressure, just send the unit back and we will fix it.
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Jim Bounds
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From: Adrien Genesoto <fixman54@syix.com>
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Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B
Jim B.,
Can you tell us about weather this fire system units are refillable, or a one time use?
Also, what kind of clean up work is there after the fire is suppressed? I do know about the mess with the powder kind.
Thanks.
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â€When we avoid the mistakes we might have made, we sometimes make the mistakes that we might have avoided.â€
Adrien & Jenny
75 Glenbrook
Yuba City,Ca.
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| Re: [GMCnet] New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B [message #170077 is a reply to message #170021] |
Fri, 18 May 2012 07:03 |
Jim Bounds
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I think investing bandwidth here is important for more folks to hear the answers. Halon 1211 and 1301 were generally speaking taken off the retail shelf some time ago. It is still available through specialty suppliers for unique and aviation application. Most companies (because their bean conters say they should not base thier product line on limited distribution materials and they wanna use the cheapest stuff they can get) have switched to the newer gasses (HFC227, FE36, etc.. They can buy in quantity and get a lower cost and in that the tend is going there they are picking up the extra profit now. We are a small niche business, I cannot buy an isotanker of gas anyway so to me, why not keep pumping the best stuff. Halon1211 is much more effective than say FE36. It is more than 70% more effective meaning the cylinder size and quantity use can be much less. 5% by volume of Halon in an area will not allow fire to be present. This means
that 1 pound of Halon 1211 will treat 24cf of air space. It would take 1.7 pounds of FE36 or HFC227 to do the same job. Halon 121 is the way to go as long as it is available and we are on of the few if not only product you can find that still uses Halon 1211.
Halon 1301 is the high pressure (2000psi or so) version of Halon. It takes too much work to use it in our application. A cylinder of 1301 is what killed Ralph-- the Ebay purchased cylider valve failed-- vented and turned the 4' cylinder into a rocket that hit him. He got slopy for an instant and there it is. I do not feel I need to get involved in that stuff so we are purchasing MSDS, certified and regualted Halon 1211 through proper lines of distribution-- I am taking no chances!
Hope this answers your questions. The bottom line is these systems work, are tried and true, designed for this specific job and was born from the engineering world by one of our own. The cost of these products are not excessive which many times safety is and it's something we all need to address in some way. I believe in it because I have seen what it can do and feel really everyone needs to think through their safety measures. I got involved mainly because Ralph asked me but after seeing the market I understand more than ever the importance of it.
Jim Bounds
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From: Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New foam fire extinguishers from Jim B
Jim,
I am not surprised you do not recall. When I contacted you FireFight, it was very shortly after Ralph's death and you were still trying to gather up the loose ends.
Apparently I was also mistaken about 1211, I thought it was no longer available. I am quite sure 1301 is done.
Question: Do you have a design that will put AFFF into a 23' with a 4Kw? (And, if so, what level of destruction of the electric side should one expect?)
I will contact you off-net about all of this rather than waste bandwidth here.
Matt
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Matt & Mary Colie
'73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you will find
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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