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Making A GMC Level In "Travel" Mode [message #159427] Sun, 05 February 2012 19:09 Go to next message
A Hamilto is currently offline  A Hamilto   United States
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If the body pads in the rear were about 1-7/16" thicker than the ones at the front, and the ones in between ranged in thickness to make the floor flat, wouldn't that make the vehicle look level going down the road when the ride height is set to spec?
Has anyone ever definitively established why the front is supposed to be higher than the rear?
If only because of caster, this should preserve it.
If it has something to do with ariflow to cool the engine or something, then this might mess it up.
And before someone else brings it up, I know it would require work on the plumbing.
Re: Making A GMC Level In "Travel" Mode [message #159436 is a reply to message #159427] Sun, 05 February 2012 20:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I made the mistake of starting this thread a couple of years ago. I'm still smarting, best let sleeping dogs lie.

http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=12274&prevloaded=1&rid=1480&start=0


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Re: [GMCnet] Making A GMC Level In "Travel" Mode [message #159439 is a reply to message #159436] Sun, 05 February 2012 20:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bruce,

Don't you have an ingrown toe nail you can dig around in? Maybe an itching
ear you need to poke around in?
How about some tire opinions to express?

Ken H.


On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Bruce Hislop wrote:

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> I made the mistake of starting this thread a couple of years ago. I'm
> still smarting, best let sleeping dogs lie.
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> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=12274&prevloaded=1&rid=1480&start=0
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Re: Making A GMC Level In "Travel" Mode [message #159444 is a reply to message #159436] Sun, 05 February 2012 20:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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rf_burns wrote on Sun, 05 February 2012 20:00

I made the mistake of starting this thread a couple of years ago. I'm still smarting, best let sleeping dogs lie.

http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=12274&prevloaded=1&rid=1480&start=0

I guess I didn't word it well enough to make the point. That old thread you referenced went on and on about how important it is to set the ride height correctly. I am proposing a way to set the ride height correctly (retain the OEM ride height specs of the frame and wheels and suspension yada yada yada) but the motorhome will not look like it is dragging its butt in travel mode.
Raise the BODY in the rear by 1-7/16" from the front using custom body pads (1.5" would be close enough).
Or just raise the rear of the BODY an inch and set the rear ride height at the max within spec value and the front at the min within spec value. Voila! It looks level even at travel ride height within OEM spec.
Re: [GMCnet] Making A GMC Level In "Travel" Mode [message #159445 is a reply to message #159427] Sun, 05 February 2012 20:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mark,

Yes, I guess you could custom cut pads to do what you want to do.

AFAIK no one has ever proven why the GMC was setup to ride tail low.

If you set the front suspension to the spec you will find that the axles are straight / parallel to the ground.

If you set the rear suspension to the spec you will find that you can draw a line from the center of the rear spindle through the
rear suspension arm pivot point in the bogie through the front suspension arm pivot point in the bogie through the center of the
middle spindle.

Personally I suspect that the GMC's that look like low riders in the back don't have the ride height set correctly. As you noted the
1 7/16 inches ain't much and probably hard to see over the length of the GMC.

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Rob M.
 
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From: A.

If the body pads in the rear were about 1-7/16" thicker than the ones at the front, and the ones in between ranged in thickness to
make the floor flat, wouldn't that make the vehicle look level going down the road when the ride height is set to spec?
Has anyone ever definitively established why the front is supposed to be higher than the rear?
If only because of caster, this should preserve it.
If it has something to do with ariflow to cool the engine or something, then this might mess it up.
And before someone else brings it up, I know it would require work on the plumbing.


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Re: Making A GMC Level In "Travel" Mode [message #159448 is a reply to message #159427] Sun, 05 February 2012 20:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well the dog gave me a yank on his leash and put my back out at Christmas. I'm still shuffling around like an old codger and seeing both chiropractic and physio treatments every other day.. so if you're asking if I'm grumpy well....

On a GMC note, I did go see the Murray in her winter hibernation yesterday... can't wait to get her back out on the road with her front one ton axles level and the rear's in line with the bogie pivot points! Hugging the curves like she never did when she rolled off the line!

Opps.. Paula says I am an old codger and I need to calm down and take some more tylenol 3's Rolling Eyes

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Re: [GMCnet] Making A GMC Level In "Travel" Mode [message #159449 is a reply to message #159445] Sun, 05 February 2012 20:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robert Mueller wrote on Sun, 05 February 2012 20:37

Mark,

Yes, I guess you could custom cut pads to do what you want to do.

AFAIK no one has ever proven why the GMC was setup to ride tail low.

If you set the front suspension to the spec you will find that the axles are straight / parallel to the ground.

If you set the rear suspension to the spec you will find that you can draw a line from the center of the rear spindle through the rear suspension arm pivot point in the bogie through the front suspension arm pivot point in the bogie through the center of the middle spindle.

Personally I suspect that the GMC's that look like low riders in the back don't have the ride height set correctly. As you noted the 1 7/16 inches ain't much and probably hard to see over the length of the GMC.

Regards,
Rob M.
I was blessed/cursed with a good eye for level, plumb, square, etc. An inch and a half over 26 feet is just enough to set off that "something doesn't look right" feeling. So I understand when someone says the back looks low.
It is just something I thought I would throw out there. I can't imagine I will live long enough for something like that to bubble to the top of my "todo" list.
Re: [GMCnet] Making A GMC Level In "Travel" Mode [message #159479 is a reply to message #159449] Mon, 06 February 2012 08:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mark,

One of TTD during my upcoming 2 month trip to Houston to work on Double Trouble is to take the hypotheses noted here regarding why
the GMC was set up to run low in the back and investigate them a bit.

To answer a question before it gets asked the reason I didn't do it with The Blue Streak here is because The Blue Streak has Leigh
Harrison's 4 bag suspension system on it and does not work or react like the OEM system.

Regards,
Rob M.

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From: A.

I was blessed/cursed with a good eye for level, plumb, square, etc. An inch and a half over 26 feet is just enough to set off that
"something doesn't look right" feeling. So I understand when someone says the back looks low.
It is just something I thought I would throw out there. I can't imagine I will live long enough for something like that to bubble
to the top of my "todo" list.

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Re: [GMCnet] Making A GMC Level In "Travel" Mode [message #159481 is a reply to message #159479] Mon, 06 February 2012 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Blue Streak has Leigh

> Harrison's 4 bag suspension system on it and does not work or react like
> the OEM system.
>

why not?
gene




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Re: [GMCnet] Making A GMC Level In "Travel" Mode [message #159483 is a reply to message #159481] Mon, 06 February 2012 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gene,

When the middle wheel hits a bump the vertical motion of the bogie arm is translated into horizontal motion and pushes on the front
of the single air bag. The air bag absorbs the force but in my opinion some of it is transmitted to the vertical part of the rear
bogie arm. On LH 4 bag or Q-Bag there are steel plates that stop that from happening.

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> Harrison's 4 bag suspension system on it and does not work or react like
> the OEM system.
>

why not?
gene

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Re: [GMCnet] Making A GMC Level In "Travel" Mode [message #159486 is a reply to message #159483] Mon, 06 February 2012 09:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I thought you were talking about ride height n caster?
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Re: Making A GMC Level In "Travel" Mode [message #159501 is a reply to message #159427] Mon, 06 February 2012 11:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Keep in mind if you raise the body off the frame higher then stock in the rear you will need to lower the holding tank a like amount or you will split the tank in the area of the dump valve.

Roy Keen Minden,NV 76 X Glenbrook
Re: Making A GMC Level In "Travel" Mode [message #159507 is a reply to message #159427] Mon, 06 February 2012 13:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mine has always sat level.

Handles nice and is stable at speed.

Go figure. Rolling Eyes


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Re: [GMCnet] Making A GMC Level In "Travel" Mode [message #159519 is a reply to message #159486] Mon, 06 February 2012 17:05 Go to previous message
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Guess I mis-communicated or you mis-understood. ;-)

Regards,
Rob M.

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I thought you were talking about ride height n caster?
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