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| Re: [GMCnet] Caddy 500 Serpentine Belt Kit [message #158593 is a reply to message #157890] |
Mon, 30 January 2012 14:01   |
Firefly
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Hey Mates,
I just traded e-mails with a guy at Visual Impact Performance Systems and asked him if they were interested in supplying 'us' with a practical serpentine conversion kit and they indicated some interest in providing the Olds kits and is looking into the Caddy kit too.
I believe the right way to go here is stay functional; I don't care about the bling, so it can be anodized black for all I care, but there should be a consensus. What kind of considerations should there be?
I may move this to a separate thread - didn't want to leave you out, though.
Regards,
Mark
Mark Scoble, Lunenburg, MA - 1973 23' Palm Beach Stretched to 32' and in residence at the GMC Co-Op in Orlando, FL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Caddy 500 Serpentine Belt Kit [message #158600 is a reply to message #158593] |
Mon, 30 January 2012 14:58 |
Ken Henderson
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If the prices on their web site are any indication of what they'll charge,
I doubt there will be many takers.
JMHO,
Ken H.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Mark Scoble wrote:
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> Hey Mates,
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> I just traded e-mails with a guy at Visual Impact Performance Systems and
> asked him if they were interested in supplying 'us' with a practical
> serpentine conversion kit and they indicated some interest in providing the
> Olds kits and is looking into the Caddy kit too....
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| Re: [GMCnet] Caddy 500 Serpentine Belt Kit [message #158602 is a reply to message #158600] |
Mon, 30 January 2012 15:31 |
Keith V
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Mon, 30 January 2012 14:58 |
If the prices on their web site are any indication of what they'll charge,
I doubt there will be many takers.
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with a name like Visual impact performance, I doubt it will be function over form...
I'm predicting lots of fancy aluminum and other visually impactive features.
I'm already not interested.
Make sure they know were cheap old coots
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Caddy 500 Serpentine Belt Kit [message #158631 is a reply to message #158623] |
Mon, 30 January 2012 18:45 |
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| Sammy Williams wrote on Mon, 30 January 2012 18:45 |
>> Advantages?
1 BIG belt, easy to install/remove without prying/holding, etc like
multi-belt systems of our vintage. (Some systems have 2 belts)
Supposedly you get longer wearing belts that only need replacement at the 100,000 mile mark, and when that time comes one person can do it in minutes.
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You forgot:
Only having one belt in spares, not three.
Not having to constantly tighten the alternator belt.
Being able to buy a belt if needed and not have to wait a day for a belt with the correct part number that won't work.
Not having to take off the fan blade and the A/C belt to replace the smoked alternator belt.
Being able to run a 130 Amp alternator at full load.
I bet I could think of more but it is late.
By the way, make sure that he comes up with the part number for a backward water pump.
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Caddy 500 Serpentine Belt Kit [message #158643 is a reply to message #157890] |
Mon, 30 January 2012 21:14 |
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Matt, to me it looks like the WP runs forward, not reverse. Belt runs across the top of the WP,,,,,,PL
78 RB Royale
507 Caddy
Home made serpentine Belt
Hubler Conversion
Galvanized Frame
Still no dash!!
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| Re: [GMCnet] Caddy 500 Serpentine Belt Kit [message #158650 is a reply to message #158643] |
Mon, 30 January 2012 21:29 |
Ken Henderson
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Paul,
If you're looking at the March setup, it does run the WP forward -- but has
no provision for running an A/C compressor. That's why they didn't want to
talk to me when they first came out with it -- I kept asking the
embarrassing question about the WP.
Neither Leigh Harrison, Bobby Moore, JR Slaten, nor I was ever able to
figure out a way to run the WP forward with a single belt.
Ken H.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Paul Leavitt wrote:
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> Matt, to me it looks like the WP runs forward, not reverse. Belt runs
> across the top of the WP,,,,,,PL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Caddy 500 Serpentine Belt Kit [message #158651 is a reply to message #158631] |
Mon, 30 January 2012 21:34 |
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cannot go on when the ac freezes.
not designed for serp belt ( needs tensioners, n bearings)
not available for repair at any facility (all custom parts)
not oem for 30 years ;>)
cannot cut 2 of the 3 belts (and go on) when you have
- leaking ps pump
- bad ac clutch
- alternator smoking
A great system,(when the engine is designed for it
jwid
gene
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Sammy Williams wrote on Mon, 30 January 2012 18:45
> > >> Advantages?
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> > 1 BIG belt, easy to install/remove without prying/holding, etc like
> > multi-belt systems of our vintage. (Some systems have 2 belts)
> >
> > Supposedly you get longer wearing belts that only need replacement at
> the 100,000 mile mark, and when that time comes one person can do it in
> minutes.
>
> You forgot:
> Only having one belt in spares, not three.
> Not having to constantly tighten the alternator belt.
> Being able to buy a belt if needed and not have to wait a day for a belt
> with the correct part number that won't work.
> Not having to take off the fan blade and the A/C belt to replace the
> smoked alternator belt.
> Being able to run a 130 Amp alternator at full load.
>
> I bet I could think of more but it is late.
>
> By the way, make sure that he comes up with the part number for a backward
> water pump.
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> Matt
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> find
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Caddy 500 Serpentine Belt Kit [message #158652 is a reply to message #157890] |
Mon, 30 January 2012 21:51 |
Chr$
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1. it works
2. it lasts
3. it keeps everything spinning the right speed and direction
4. it uses an easy to find belt
5. Cheap.
6. Who gives a shit about what color it is. It will have dirt on it in a month.
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Caddy 500 Serpentine Belt Kit [message #158694 is a reply to message #158623] |
Tue, 31 January 2012 09:02 |
Bob de Kruyff
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I always felt that one reason most serpentine belt systems work so well is due to the inclusion of an automatic tensioner. I'm not so sure I would be all that excited about a system without one. One of the major reasons OEM's adopted the serpentine system was for noise reduction--partially due to the belt itself, but primarily due to the ability to solidly mount all the accessories to the block (to reduce harmonics).
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Caddy 500 Serpentine Belt Kit [message #158697 is a reply to message #158694] |
Tue, 31 January 2012 09:11 |
Ken Henderson
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Bob,
I agree that a serpentine belt works best with a tensioner, and would have
included them if I could have found locations on the slack sides of the
drive pulleys, but the spans are just too short. But aside from an
occasional short squeak when starting with a depleted battery, I've had no
sign of slippage on my 2-belt, no tensioner system.
I still won't even consider going back to V-belts.
Ken H.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Bob de Kruyff wrote:
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> I always felt that one reason most serpentine belt systems work so well is
> due to the inclusion of an automatic tensioner. I'm not so sure I would be
> all that excited about a system without one. One of the major reasons OEM's
> adopted the serpentine system was for noise reduction--partially due to the
> belt itself, but primarily due to the ability to solidly mount all the
> accessories to the block (to reduce harmonics).
> --
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| Re: [GMCnet] Caddy 500 Serpentine Belt Kit [message #158729 is a reply to message #158699] |
Tue, 31 January 2012 12:12 |
Ken Henderson
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Matt,
Are you trying to make me worry about my 100A CS-130D alternator being
mounted on a single 3"x3/8-16 Gr8 bolt screwed into the front of the R.
cylinder head of my Cad500?
(not really -- I do have a diagonal brace from a WP bolt to the forward end
of that bolt, but I'm not real happy with its configuration. But I drove
about 3000 miles with just the bolt.) :-(
Ken H.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Matt Colie wrote:
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> What was fun??
> Put accelerometers on the hang-ons and watch them peak. Then take movies
> with a just-off-sync strobe and make sure you have a scale or nobody will
> believe how much that stuff could move...
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