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hard start question [message #157037] Tue, 17 January 2012 09:06 Go to next message
bronevaya is currently offline  bronevaya   Kuwait
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Hello. Just recently (within the last two weeks) the gmc has refused to start. My fiance has done the normal starting ritual of pumping the pedal before turning the key and she said that it once started but now it just turns over and wont fire. I understand the whole fuel/air/spark process but is there something maybe we are overlooking? The tanks have fuel and just two weeks ago it started and ran.

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Re: [GMCnet] hard start question [message #157041 is a reply to message #157037] Tue, 17 January 2012 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Take the cover of the air cleaner off and see that it is closed all
the way on it's own auto choke.
Sometimes one can flood the engine, so use the un flood proceedure
;PUSH the gas all the way down and crank for half a minute, then pull
foot off and crank again.

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> Hello. Just recently (within the last two weeks) the gmc has refused to start. My fiance has done the normal starting ritual of pumping the pedal before turning the key and she said that it once started but now it just turns over and wont fire. I understand the whole fuel/air/spark process but is there something maybe we are overlooking? The tanks have fuel and just two weeks ago it started and ran.
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Re: [GMCnet] hard start question [message #157044 is a reply to message #157037] Tue, 17 January 2012 09:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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You do not say what year your gmc is, but a mysterious failure to start is
typically the ignition module failure (shown here)

http://goo.gl/kyyWg

only use the one shown, and buy a spare;>)

read about it here
http://gmcmotorhome.info/engine.html#HEI

good luck
gene


On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:06 AM, michael <bronevaya@gmail.com> wrote:

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>
> Hello. Just recently (within the last two weeks) the gmc has refused to
> start. My fiance has done the normal starting ritual of pumping the pedal
> before turning the key and she said that it once started but now it just
> turns over and wont fire. I understand the whole fuel/air/spark process but
> is there something maybe we are overlooking? The tanks have fuel and just
> two weeks ago it started and ran.
> --
> 1977 Palm beach
> Bham AL
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Re: hard start question [message #157048 is a reply to message #157037] Tue, 17 January 2012 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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bronevaya wrote on Tue, 17 January 2012 08:06

Hello. Just recently (within the last two weeks) the gmc has refused to start. My fiance has done the normal starting ritual of pumping the pedal before turning the key and she said that it once started but now it just turns over and wont fire. I understand the whole fuel/air/spark process but is there something maybe we are overlooking? The tanks have fuel and just two weeks ago it started and ran.



You really need to go back to the basic fuel and spark question to see if you have both. I would look down the throat of the carb and move the throttle open a few times to see if fuel is squirting out of the accelerator pump nozzles. If so, you have fuel. If not, that's what you need to investigate. If you have fuel, I would pull a plug wire and see if you have spark to ground (about 1/8" gap proximity)while cranking. If you have both, you indeed may have flooded it. If no spark, we can go from there.


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Re: hard start question [message #157052 is a reply to message #157037] Tue, 17 January 2012 11:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've seen a hole burnt through the rotor, theres fire but it's going straight to the distributor shaft and not to the plugs, it's something you can't see and will act like what you describe. Also do you have an electric fuel pump that isn't coming on after oil pressure is built up. Just a couple of suggestions from my GMC product experience.
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Re: [GMCnet] hard start question [message #157083 is a reply to message #157044] Tue, 17 January 2012 16:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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its a 77. would there be any prior warning sings to failure? Because it was working fine not too long ago

1977 Palm beach Bham AL
Re: [GMCnet] hard start question [message #157085 is a reply to message #157083] Tue, 17 January 2012 16:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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with the module,
you turn off the engine
and it will not start the next time

no warning

gene


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> its a 77. would there be any prior warning sings to failure? Because it
> was working fine not too long ago
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Re: [GMCnet] hard start question [message #157346 is a reply to message #157083] Thu, 19 January 2012 19:48 Go to previous message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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As suggested, she needs to check for fuel in the carburetor throat and then
spark at the plugs. The spark thing may throw her. If so, she can buy at
Harbor Freight, for about $2.98, a spark tester. It fits between a
disconnected spark plug cable and the plug itself. If there's spark
available during starting, a little neon bulb will flash. No flash, no
spark, & no start. Come ask more questions.

SHE can do that!

(Probably better yet, find someone on the Black List -- Like Jeremy Knezek.)

HTH,

Ken H.


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> its a 77. would there be any prior warning sings to failure? Because it
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