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| Re: [GMCnet] All quiet on the Belt front? [message #156194 is a reply to message #156043] |
Tue, 10 January 2012 04:02   |
Ken Burton
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| Mr ERFisher wrote on Mon, 09 January 2012 07:45 |
Have we solved all the belt problems?
http://goo.gl/yalX3
got the right belt if they look like this
http://goo.gl/7TvSU
got the right tension, test like this
http://goo.gl/etZaA
easy to adjust , using these
http://goo.gl/etZaA
So all the belt problems gone?
no more slipping belts?
no more broken belts?
just tired?
gene
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“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
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I help a local guy about 2 weeks ago change belts on his GMC with a 455. We got them from AutoZone. They were an in stock item. I measured them in the store. They were the correct width.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] All quiet on the Belt front? [message #156212 is a reply to message #156128] |
Tue, 10 January 2012 09:28 |
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| emerystora wrote on Mon, 09 January 2012 17:44 |
I would like to possibly change out all of the pulleys with once for 1/2" belt. I don't know what parts might be needed but if anyone has done this or might be able to shed some light on the parts or possible donor vehicles for the parts please let us all know.
Emery Stora
77 Kingslely
Santa Fe, NM 87506
On Jan 9, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Jim Galbavy wrote:
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> gene,
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> Good start. ...if in the last 38 years if no POs have changed out the pullies, etc. I found from the approved list this fall that when I needed to change out my three thrown belts that the list was good for 2 out of three on ANNIE. NAPA was able to come up with the last with a little trial and error.
> All GMCs are not the same.
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Emery, have you looked at the later Olds 307 engines used into the 80's. They are more or less the same as the 403 which is similar to the 455. Other than those, I can't think of anything easy.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] All quiet on the Belt front? [message #156220 is a reply to message #156212] |
Tue, 10 January 2012 11:27 |
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I haven't looked at anything yet. I am in the thinking stage. I just wanted to check to see if anyone had already done this which would save me a lot of time looking.
Emery Stora
On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Bob de Kruyff wrote:
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> emerystora wrote on Mon, 09 January 2012 17:44
>> I would like to possibly change out all of the pulleys with once for 1/2" belt. I don't know what parts might be needed but if anyone has done this or might be able to shed some light on the parts or possible donor vehicles for the parts please let us all know.
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>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingslely
>> Santa Fe, NM 87506
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>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Jim Galbavy wrote:
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>>> gene,
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>>> Good start. ...if in the last 38 years if no POs have changed out the pullies, etc. I found from the approved list this fall that when I needed to change out my three thrown belts that the list was good for 2 out of three on ANNIE. NAPA was able to come up with the last with a little trial and error.
>>> All GMCs are not the same.
>>>
>>> jim galbavy
>>> '73 x-CL ANNIE
>>> Lake Mary, Fl
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>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
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> Emery, have you looked at the later Olds 307 engines used into the 80's. They are more or less the same as the 403 which is similar to the 455. Other than those, I can't think of anything easy.
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| Re: [GMCnet] All quiet on the Belt front? [message #156304 is a reply to message #156220] |
Tue, 10 January 2012 20:25 |
Ken Henderson
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Sure wish I had a full-up 455 in my shop. After figuring out how to put
serpentine belts on the Cad500, I'm of the opinion that it wouldn't be too
hard to figure out a similar arrangement for the 455.
As many of you know, the 455 I removed did have a serpentine belt, designed
& fabricated by Bobby Moore & JR Slaten. The problem with it is that it
runs the water pump backward. While adequate in my experience, that was
not a optimal situation. Leigh Harrison has sold a serpentine system for
years, with that same flaw. A few years back, he designed and built
reverse flow water pumps, some of which I tested for him. Because of the
large investment he made in those, their price was HIGH. He told me a few
days ago that he now has a production version (NOT his own production)
reverse flow pump; he didn't divulge the other application(s).
For my Cad500, I avoided the reverse flow problem with two separate
serpentine belts. I think something similar could be done on the 455. The
secret to that is the double serpentine crankshaft pulley used on mid-90's
Ford products. One shortcoming on my system is that I didn't install
automatic tensioners -- nor figure out where I could. That has not been a
problem -- but I'd feel better if I had them.
Someone must have an accessorized 455 they can spend a few hours studying...
Ken H
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
> I haven't looked at anything yet. I am in the thinking stage. I just
> wanted to check to see if anyone had already done this which would save me
> a lot of time looking.
>
> Emery Stora
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| Re: [GMCnet] All quiet on the Belt front? [message #156305 is a reply to message #156220] |
Tue, 10 January 2012 20:35 |
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Sure wish I had a full-up 455 in my shop. After figuring out how to put
serpentine belts on the Cad500, I'm of the opinion that it wouldn't be too
hard to figure out a similar arrangement for the 455.
As many of you know, the 455 I removed did have a serpentine belt, designed
& fabricated by Bobby Moore & JR Slaten. The problem with it is that it
runs the water pump backward. While adequate in my experience, that was
not a optimal situation. Leigh Harrison has sold a serpentine system for
years, with that same flaw. A few years back, he designed and built
reverse flow water pumps, some of which I tested for him. Because of the
large investment he made in those, their price was HIGH. He told me a few
days ago that he now has a production version (NOT his own production)
reverse flow pump; he didn't divulge the other application(s).
For my Cad500, I avoided the reverse flow problem with two separate
serpentine belts. I think something similar could be done on the 455. The
secret to that is the double serpentine crankshaft pulley used on mid-90's
Ford products. One shortcoming on my system is that I didn't install
automatic tensioners -- nor figure out where I could. That has not been a
problem -- but I'd feel better if I had them.
Someone must have an accessorized 455 they can spend a few hours studying...
Ken H
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
> I haven't looked at anything yet. I am in the thinking stage. I just
> wanted to check to see if anyone had already done this which would save me
> a lot of time looking.
>
> Emery Stora
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| Re: [GMCnet] All quiet on the Belt front? [message #156308 is a reply to message #156304] |
Tue, 10 January 2012 20:50 |
Dolph Santorine
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Ken:
I'm up for it with the parts coach, but I'm not going to have the front sub frame out for a few months.
In the meantime, I can study/measure and scheme with the running one.
Dolph Santorine
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On Jan 10, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Sure wish I had a full-up 455 in my shop. After figuring out how to put
> serpentine belts on the Cad500, I'm of the opinion that it wouldn't be too
> hard to figure out a similar arrangement for the 455.
>
> As many of you know, the 455 I removed did have a serpentine belt, designed
> & fabricated by Bobby Moore & JR Slaten. The problem with it is that it
> runs the water pump backward. While adequate in my experience, that was
> not a optimal situation. Leigh Harrison has sold a serpentine system for
> years, with that same flaw. A few years back, he designed and built
> reverse flow water pumps, some of which I tested for him. Because of the
> large investment he made in those, their price was HIGH. He told me a few
> days ago that he now has a production version (NOT his own production)
> reverse flow pump; he didn't divulge the other application(s).
>
> For my Cad500, I avoided the reverse flow problem with two separate
> serpentine belts. I think something similar could be done on the 455. The
> secret to that is the double serpentine crankshaft pulley used on mid-90's
> Ford products. One shortcoming on my system is that I didn't install
> automatic tensioners -- nor figure out where I could. That has not been a
> problem -- but I'd feel better if I had them.
>
> Someone must have an accessorized 455 they can spend a few hours studying...
>
> Ken H
>
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> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
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>> I haven't looked at anything yet. I am in the thinking stage. I just
>> wanted to check to see if anyone had already done this which would save me
>> a lot of time looking.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] All quiet on the Belt front? [message #156312 is a reply to message #156308] |
Tue, 10 January 2012 21:23 |
Ken Henderson
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Dolph,
The whole project may be easier if it includes, as my Cad500 one did,
replacing the A6 a/c compressor with a Sanden/clone and the alternator with
a more modern one, such as the CS-130D, which is higher output with smaller
size (mine from a mid/late-90's S-10). Those would not only come with
serpentine pulleys but would be smaller and perhaps be easier to remount.
Ken H.
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Dolph Santorine wrote:
> Ken:
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> I'm up for it with the parts coach, but I'm not going to have the front
> sub frame out for a few months.
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> In the meantime, I can study/measure and scheme with the running one.
>
> Dolph Santorine
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| Re: [GMCnet] All quiet on the Belt front? [message #156316 is a reply to message #156312] |
Tue, 10 January 2012 21:45 |
Dolph Santorine
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The dreaded caveat (s).
That may be doable.
Dolph Santorine
Dolph@DolphSantorine.com
Phone: 304-219-3100
Cell: 740-312-5342
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On Jan 10, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Dolph,
>
> The whole project may be easier if it includes, as my Cad500 one did,
> replacing the A6 a/c compressor with a Sanden/clone and the alternator with
> a more modern one, such as the CS-130D, which is higher output with smaller
> size (mine from a mid/late-90's S-10). Those would not only come with
> serpentine pulleys but would be smaller and perhaps be easier to remount.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
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> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Dolph Santorine wrote:
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>> Ken:
>>
>> I'm up for it with the parts coach, but I'm not going to have the front
>> sub frame out for a few months.
>>
>> In the meantime, I can study/measure and scheme with the running one.
>>
>> Dolph Santorine
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| Re: [GMCnet] All quiet on the Belt front? [message #156317 is a reply to message #156312] |
Tue, 10 January 2012 21:45 |
Dolph Santorine
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All the kidding aside, the alternator swap is probably a beef up the lead wire electrical change.
Is that the 130 amp unit?
Other than mounting schema, the A/C compressor is a hosing problem.
Dolph Santorine
Dolph@DolphSantorine.com
Phone: 304-219-3100
Cell: 740-312-5342
Http://www.DolphSantorine.com
Excuse me for not being my usual wordy and sporadically verbose self. This message is sent from my iPad, which is, in many ways, an iPhone on steroids.
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. Few long dead dinosaurs were involved. A large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
On Jan 10, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Dolph,
>
> The whole project may be easier if it includes, as my Cad500 one did,
> replacing the A6 a/c compressor with a Sanden/clone and the alternator with
> a more modern one, such as the CS-130D, which is higher output with smaller
> size (mine from a mid/late-90's S-10). Those would not only come with
> serpentine pulleys but would be smaller and perhaps be easier to remount.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Dolph Santorine wrote:
>
>> Ken:
>>
>> I'm up for it with the parts coach, but I'm not going to have the front
>> sub frame out for a few months.
>>
>> In the meantime, I can study/measure and scheme with the running one.
>>
>> Dolph Santorine
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] All quiet on the Belt front? [message #156319 is a reply to message #156317] |
Tue, 10 January 2012 22:28 |
Ken Henderson
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No, the CS130D is a 100A alternator. No wiring change required other than
connectors. Even if a change was required, it would be trivieal.
Ken H.
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Dolph Santorine wrote:
> All the kidding aside, the alternator swap is probably a beef up the lead
> wire electrical change.
>
> Is that the 130 amp unit?
>
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