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| [GMCnet] Mobil 1 transmission fluid and Ragusa pans [message #155571] |
Thu, 05 January 2012 16:05  |
emerystora
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In my earlier email I stated that it was a rumor that Mobil 1 leaked more than standard transmission fluids.
In that email I had also stated that I had a Ragusa pan.
To clarify things
Yes, there have been problems with Ragusa pans weeping. Fortunately mine does not.
However, that has nothing to do with the use of Mobil 1 fluid.
When I said it was a rumor I was referring strictly to Mobil 1, not to Ragusa pans.
So, people can stop sending me off net messages that I am wrong -- yes, I know there have been problems in the past with Ragusa pans being porous and weeping.
I don't know if that is still a current problem though.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM
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| Re: [GMCnet] Mobil 1 transmission fluid and Ragusa pans [message #155584 is a reply to message #155571] |
Thu, 05 January 2012 17:43  |
Dennis S
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Emery et al,
Has anyone used a paint or ooating inside new Ragusa pans? Wondering how hard it would be to get the surface to hold paint.
Thanks,
Dennis
| emerystora wrote on Thu, 05 January 2012 16:05 |
In my earlier email I stated that it was a rumor that Mobil 1 leaked more than standard transmission fluids.
In that email I had also stated that I had a Ragusa pan.
To clarify things
Yes, there have been problems with Ragusa pans weeping. Fortunately mine does not.
However, that has nothing to do with the use of Mobil 1 fluid.
When I said it was a rumor I was referring strictly to Mobil 1, not to Ragusa pans.
So, people can stop sending me off net messages that I am wrong -- yes, I know there have been problems in the past with Ragusa pans being porous and weeping.
I don't know if that is still a current problem though.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM
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| Re: [GMCnet] Mobil 1 transmission fluid and Ragusa pans [message #155595 is a reply to message #155584] |
Thu, 05 January 2012 18:48 |
gmcrv1
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Dennis,
I was thinking the same thing. Years ago (still today for some folks) we
used to paint the inside of the engine block with red Glyptal an insulating
varnish. It was used on the cast iron to help the oil return faster to the
oil pan. On a properly cleaned and prepared engine block it worked great
and did not peal, crack or chip. I think I saw it on an engine rebuild on
the photo site - possibly by Steve F.
I'm not sure how well it would adhere to the cast aluminum. Not a good
thing to have floating around in the trans.
Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Dennis Sexton <dennisfsexton@aol.com> wrote:
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> Emery et al,
>
> Has anyone used a paint or ooating inside new Ragusa pans? Wondering how
> hard it would be to get the surface to hold paint.
> Thanks,
>
> Dennis
>
> emerystora wrote on Thu, 05 January 2012 16:05
> > In my earlier email I stated that it was a rumor that Mobil 1 leaked
> more than standard transmission fluids.
> > In that email I had also stated that I had a Ragusa pan.
> >
> > To clarify things
> >
> > Yes, there have been problems with Ragusa pans weeping. Fortunately mine
> does not.
> > However, that has nothing to do with the use of Mobil 1 fluid.
> >
> > When I said it was a rumor I was referring strictly to Mobil 1, not to
> Ragusa pans.
> >
> > So, people can stop sending me off net messages that I am wrong -- yes,
> I know there have been problems in the past with Ragusa pans being porous
> and weeping.
> > I don't know if that is still a current problem though.
> >
> > Emery Stora
> > 77 Kingsley
> > Santa Fe, NM
> >
> >
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> 73 Painted Desert 230
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| Re: [GMCnet] Mobil 1 transmission fluid and Ragusa pans [message #155609 is a reply to message #155595] |
Thu, 05 January 2012 20:08 |
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Yes Steve and I both use it.
Check Steve's photos on his engine rebuild in the GMC photos.
Howard
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From: "Tom Eckert" <gmcrv1@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 16:48
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Mobil 1 transmission fluid and Ragusa pans
> Dennis,
>
> I was thinking the same thing. Years ago (still today for some folks) we
> used to paint the inside of the engine block with red Glyptal an
> insulating
> varnish. It was used on the cast iron to help the oil return faster to
> the
> oil pan. On a properly cleaned and prepared engine block it worked great
> and did not peal, crack or chip. I think I saw it on an engine rebuild on
> the photo site - possibly by Steve F.
>
> I'm not sure how well it would adhere to the cast aluminum. Not a good
> thing to have floating around in the trans.
>
> Tom Eckert N2VWN
> 73 Glacier
> Oakland, TN
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Dennis Sexton <dennisfsexton@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Emery et al,
>>
>> Has anyone used a paint or ooating inside new Ragusa pans? Wondering how
>> hard it would be to get the surface to hold paint.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> emerystora wrote on Thu, 05 January 2012 16:05
>> > In my earlier email I stated that it was a rumor that Mobil 1 leaked
>> more than standard transmission fluids.
>> > In that email I had also stated that I had a Ragusa pan.
>> >
>> > To clarify things
>> >
>> > Yes, there have been problems with Ragusa pans weeping. Fortunately
>> > mine
>> does not.
>> > However, that has nothing to do with the use of Mobil 1 fluid.
>> >
>> > When I said it was a rumor I was referring strictly to Mobil 1, not to
>> Ragusa pans.
>> >
>> > So, people can stop sending me off net messages that I am wrong -- yes,
>> I know there have been problems in the past with Ragusa pans being porous
>> and weeping.
>> > I don't know if that is still a current problem though.
>> >
>> > Emery Stora
>> > 77 Kingsley
>> > Santa Fe, NM
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > GMCnet mailing list
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>>
>> --
>> Dennis S
>> 73 Painted Desert 230
>> Germantown, TN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Mobil 1 transmission fluid and Ragusa pans [message #155615 is a reply to message #155584] |
Thu, 05 January 2012 20:28 |
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I can't see myself spending good money for an "upgraded" part and then having complete the engineering in order for it to work properly. Coat the inside of a custom trans pan to keep it from leaking????? Maybe its just me but that's like wiping before you poop, it just don't make sense.
Sully
77 royale
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Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:43:36
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Mobil 1 transmission fluid and Ragusa pans
Emery et al,
Has anyone used a paint or ooating inside new Ragusa pans? Wondering how hard it would be to get the surface to hold paint.
Thanks,
Dennis
emerystora wrote on Thu, 05 January 2012 16:05
> In my earlier email I stated that it was a rumor that Mobil 1 leaked more than standard transmission fluids.
> In that email I had also stated that I had a Ragusa pan.
>
> To clarify things
>
> Yes, there have been problems with Ragusa pans weeping. Fortunately mine does not.
> However, that has nothing to do with the use of Mobil 1 fluid.
>
> When I said it was a rumor I was referring strictly to Mobil 1, not to Ragusa pans.
>
> So, people can stop sending me off net messages that I am wrong -- yes, I know there have been problems in the past with Ragusa pans being porous and weeping.
> I don't know if that is still a current problem though.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Santa Fe, NM
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Mobil 1 transmission fluid and Ragusa pans [message #155622 is a reply to message #155615] |
Thu, 05 January 2012 20:56 |
gmcrv1
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Howard,
Did you use it on the trans pan?
Thanks,
Tom
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 8:28 PM, <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can't see myself spending good money for an "upgraded" part and then
> having complete the engineering in order for it to work properly. Coat the
> inside of a custom trans pan to keep it from leaking????? Maybe its just me
> but that's like wiping before you poop, it just don't make sense.
>
> Sully
> 77 royale
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Sexton <dennisfsexton@aol.com>
> Sender: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:43:36
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Reply-To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Mobil 1 transmission fluid and Ragusa pans
>
>
>
> Emery et al,
>
> Has anyone used a paint or ooating inside new Ragusa pans? Wondering how
> hard it would be to get the surface to hold paint.
> Thanks,
>
> Dennis
>
> emerystora wrote on Thu, 05 January 2012 16:05
> > In my earlier email I stated that it was a rumor that Mobil 1 leaked
> more than standard transmission fluids.
> > In that email I had also stated that I had a Ragusa pan.
> >
> > To clarify things
> >
> > Yes, there have been problems with Ragusa pans weeping. Fortunately mine
> does not.
> > However, that has nothing to do with the use of Mobil 1 fluid.
> >
> > When I said it was a rumor I was referring strictly to Mobil 1, not to
> Ragusa pans.
> >
> > So, people can stop sending me off net messages that I am wrong -- yes,
> I know there have been problems in the past with Ragusa pans being porous
> and weeping.
> > I don't know if that is still a current problem though.
> >
> > Emery Stora
> > 77 Kingsley
> > Santa Fe, NM
> >
> >
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> 73 Painted Desert 230
> Germantown, TN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Mobil 1 transmission fluid and Ragusa pans [message #155628 is a reply to message #155615] |
Thu, 05 January 2012 21:16 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""I can't see myself spending good money for an "upgraded" part and then having complete the engineering in order for it to work properly. Coat the inside of a custom trans pan to keep it from leaking????? Maybe its just me but that's like wiping before you poop, it just don't make sense.
Sully
77 royale
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Sully I agree with what you are saying but I think we need to cut our suppliers a bit of slack since they don't have the resources to do OEM type of validation. If they had to, they wouldn't be here. I'm OK being part of the development process just to make sure their well meant efforts work for us.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Mobil 1 transmission fluid and Ragusa pans [message #155633 is a reply to message #155628] |
Thu, 05 January 2012 21:41 |
James Hupy
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Bob, I have a Ragusa pan on my transmission. I coated the inside with
Glyptal and cured in an oven before I installed it, (with a gasket). It is
completely leak free and is not discolored. The casting looks coarse,
unlike a die injected casting. I think either the Ragusa or the Rockwell
pan is a great addition to the TH425, particularly in hot country and
mountians. Just my experience, others may vary. I have heard of people who
were dissatisfied with the Rockwell when they were installed with sealer
like silicone without a gasket. If it works for you, more power to you.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@aol.com> wrote:
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>
> ""I can't see myself spending good money for an "upgraded" part and then
> having complete the engineering in order for it to work properly. Coat the
> inside of a custom trans pan to keep it from leaking????? Maybe its just me
> but that's like wiping before you poop, it just don't make sense.
>
> Sully
> 77 royale
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> ""
>
> Sully I agree with what you are saying but I think we need to cut our
> suppliers a bit of slack since they don't have the resources to do OEM type
> of validation. If they had to, they wouldn't be here. I'm OK being part of
> the development process just to make sure their well meant efforts work for
> us.
> --
> Bob de Kruyff
> 78 Eleganza
> Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Mobil 1 transmission fluid and Ragusa pans [message #155640 is a reply to message #155633] |
Thu, 05 January 2012 22:08 |
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I guess what I am getting at is this. Is there a common functionality flaw with the Ragusa pan which results in a leak through the aluminum itself via porosity or are there some people who cannot install them without a leak at the gasket? I don't feel comfortable with the idea of applying a coating to the inside of the pan which done improperly ( I'm sure I could manage to do it wrong) could delam and plug the filter or damage the trans some other way. That is what makes no sense to me.
Sully
77 royale
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Mobil 1 transmission fluid and Ragusa pans
Bob, I have a Ragusa pan on my transmission. I coated the inside with
Glyptal and cured in an oven before I installed it, (with a gasket). It is
completely leak free and is not discolored. The casting looks coarse,
unlike a die injected casting. I think either the Ragusa or the Rockwell
pan is a great addition to the TH425, particularly in hot country and
mountians. Just my experience, others may vary. I have heard of people who
were dissatisfied with the Rockwell when they were installed with sealer
like silicone without a gasket. If it works for you, more power to you.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> ""I can't see myself spending good money for an "upgraded" part and then
> having complete the engineering in order for it to work properly. Coat the
> inside of a custom trans pan to keep it from leaking????? Maybe its just me
> but that's like wiping before you poop, it just don't make sense.
>
> Sully
> 77 royale
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> ""
>
> Sully I agree with what you are saying but I think we need to cut our
> suppliers a bit of slack since they don't have the resources to do OEM type
> of validation. If they had to, they wouldn't be here. I'm OK being part of
> the development process just to make sure their well meant efforts work for
> us.
> --
> Bob de Kruyff
> 78 Eleganza
> Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Mobil 1 transmission fluid and Ragusa pans [message #155663 is a reply to message #155594] |
Fri, 06 January 2012 06:05 |
Steven Ferguson
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TH350s were famous for that. The rebuilder would pull them, clean, and
rebuild them and the test drive, usually two block, would go just fine.
Then the owner would pick up the car and not make it home before having
problems. Nearly all were due to valve body porosity and this would occur
after the trans go hot. Those trannies ended up in dumpsters.
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> I've heard that early Hydramatic transmission cases were porous until they
> were treated with "water glass". Has anyone else heard that? Perhaps the
> technique they used would work on the pans. I couldn't find any
> information better than this:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_silicate
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Dennis Sexton wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Emery et al,
> >
> > Has anyone used a paint or ooating inside new Ragusa pans? Wondering how
> > hard it would be to get the surface to hold paint.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Mobil 1 transmission fluid and Ragusa pans [message #155664 is a reply to message #155571] |
Fri, 06 January 2012 06:07 |
Steven Ferguson
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Mine also never leaked.
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
> In my earlier email I stated that it was a rumor that Mobil 1 leaked more
> than standard transmission fluids.
> In that email I had also stated that I had a Ragusa pan.
>
> To clarify things
>
> Yes, there have been problems with Ragusa pans weeping. Fortunately mine
> does not.
> However, that has nothing to do with the use of Mobil 1 fluid.
>
> When I said it was a rumor I was referring strictly to Mobil 1, not to
> Ragusa pans.
>
> So, people can stop sending me off net messages that I am wrong -- yes, I
> know there have been problems in the past with Ragusa pans being porous and
> weeping.
> I don't know if that is still a current problem though.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Santa Fe, NM
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Mobil 1 transmission fluid and Ragusa pans [message #155766 is a reply to message #155633] |
Fri, 06 January 2012 19:42 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""Bob, I have a Ragusa pan on my transmission. I coated the inside with
Glyptal and cured in an oven before I installed it, (with a gasket). It is
completely leak free and is not discolored. The casting looks coarse,
unlike a die injected casting. I think either the Ragusa or the Rockwell
pan is a great addition to the TH425, particularly in hot country and
mountians. ""
I have a Ragusa as recieved and I have had zero problems with it.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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