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| Re: This is good news, iThink?? [message #155396 is a reply to message #155388] |
Wed, 04 January 2012 15:17   |
zhagrieb
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Probably no change at the pump. The federal mandate that requires Ethanol in our tanks hasn't changed.
Glenn
Glenn Giere, Portland OR, K7GAG
'73 "Moby the Motorhome" 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] This is good news, iThink?? [message #155559 is a reply to message #155553] |
Thu, 05 January 2012 15:11 |
James Hupy
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Neither of them have any place mixed with gasoline for use in carburetted
engines. This whole deal on blended fuels is an attempt to artificially
raise the price of the tax base to Governments without enrichening the Big
oil interests. The farmers who all bought into raising corn to make into
fuels and invested heavily in processing plants are taking it in the
shorts, just like the consumer of the end products. Blended fuels are
packing less BTUs per gallon, something on the order of 10 percent, which
makes the vehicles that are using it also less efficient. The only entities
that benefit from this are governments whose revenue comes from taxes per
gallon pumped, and gasoline manufacturers who sell more gallons as a
result. It drives up the cost of feed corn, and everything that eats it as
well. And if that were not bad enough, it deteriorates any rubber parts
that are not compounded to resist it. Vapor locks, too. But, "We are from
the Government, and we are here to help you." thinking has allowed this to
happen. Vote your conscience come election day. But, Vote and remember a
Veteran when you do. Happy New Year.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Greg and April
<gregandapril@earthlink.net>wrote:
> Personally I think butanol is a better option than ethanol.
> .
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> Greg H.
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> Yeah, I'm odd that way.
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> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John R. Lebetski" <gransport@aol.com>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 13:33
> Subject: [GMCnet] This is good news, iThink??
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> > Hope this trickles down and limits the ethanol trickling onto our fuels.
> >
> http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/01/04/how-the-finally-ended-corn-ethanol-subsidy-made-us-fatter/
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| Re: [GMCnet] This is good news, iThink?? [message #155567 is a reply to message #155559] |
Thu, 05 January 2012 15:57 |
Greg and April
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I would disagree.
Butanol is almost a perfect alcohol analog to gasoline, perfectly bendable
with gasoline in any quantity and useable at 100% in unaltered carbureted or
fuel injected engines ( not to mention fully compatible with current fuel
infrastructure ).
While there is a slight decrease in performance ( ~8% ) in unaltered engines
( compared to ~40 decrease with ethanol ), fairly common adjustments, can
compensate and make use of butanol's higher net energy ( ~10% ) than
gasoline.
Another benefit of butanol is that it's easier to make from non-food
materials, than ethanol is, which could actually reduce the cost of butanol
blended gasoline in the long run, even after the minor reductions in engine
efficiency are taken into account.
As far as gaskets are concerned, modern gasket material is not affected by
it any more than modern gasket material is affected by gasoline.
Simply put, blended fuels are here to stay, even if it's only a seasonal
thing, and butanol has allot more going for it than the others.
.
Greg H.
Yeah, I'm odd that way.
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Hupy" <jamesh1296@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 14:11
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] This is good news, iThink??
> Neither of them have any place mixed with gasoline for use in carburetted
> engines. This whole deal on blended fuels is an attempt to artificially
> raise the price of the tax base to Governments without enrichening the Big
> oil interests. The farmers who all bought into raising corn to make into
> fuels and invested heavily in processing plants are taking it in the
> shorts, just like the consumer of the end products. Blended fuels are
> packing less BTUs per gallon, something on the order of 10 percent, which
> makes the vehicles that are using it also less efficient. The only
> entities
> that benefit from this are governments whose revenue comes from taxes per
> gallon pumped, and gasoline manufacturers who sell more gallons as a
> result. It drives up the cost of feed corn, and everything that eats it as
> well. And if that were not bad enough, it deteriorates any rubber parts
> that are not compounded to resist it. Vapor locks, too. But, "We are from
> the Government, and we are here to help you." thinking has allowed this to
> happen. Vote your conscience come election day. But, Vote and remember a
> Veteran when you do. Happy New Year.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, OR
> 78 GMC Royale 403
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Greg and April
> <gregandapril@earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>> Personally I think butanol is a better option than ethanol.
>> .
>>
>> Greg H.
>>
>> Yeah, I'm odd that way.
>>
>> .
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John R. Lebetski" <gransport@aol.com>
>> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 13:33
>> Subject: [GMCnet] This is good news, iThink??
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>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Hope this trickles down and limits the ethanol trickling onto our
>> > fuels.
>> >
>> http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/01/04/how-the-finally-ended-corn-ethanol-subsidy-made-us-fatter/
>> >
>> > --
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| Re: [GMCnet] This is good news, iThink?? [message #155623 is a reply to message #155567] |
Thu, 05 January 2012 21:01 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""I would disagree.
Butanol is almost a perfect alcohol analog to gasoline, perfectly bendable
with gasoline in any quantity and useable at 100% in unaltered carbureted or
fuel injected engines ( not to mention fully compatible with current fuel
infrastructure ).
While there is a slight decrease in performance ( ~8% ) in unaltered engines
( compared to ~40 decrease with ethanol ), fairly common adjustments, can
compensate and make use of butanol's higher net energy ( ~10% ) than
gasoline.
Another benefit of butanol is that it's easier to make from non-food
materials, than ethanol is, which could actually reduce the cost of butanol
blended gasoline in the long run, even after the minor reductions in engine
efficiency are taken into account.
As far as gaskets are concerned, modern gasket material is not affected by
it any more than modern gasket material is affected by gasoline.
Simply put, blended fuels are here to stay, even if it's only a seasonal
thing, and butanol has allot more going for it than the others.
.
Greg H.
Greg--if you already know the answer, why bother asking????
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] This is good news, iThink?? [message #155666 is a reply to message #155559] |
Fri, 06 January 2012 06:27 |
jhbridges
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Archer-Daniels-Midland and Cargill ain't done badly by it either.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode Norris '76 Palm Beach
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From: James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2012 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] This is good news, iThink??
Neither of them have any place mixed with gasoline for use in carburetted
engines. This whole deal on blended fuels is an attempt to artificially
raise the price of the tax base to Governments without enrichening the Big
oil interests. The farmers who all bought into raising corn to make into
fuels and invested heavily in processing plants are taking it in the
shorts, just like the consumer of the end products. Blended fuels are
packing less BTUs per gallon, something on the order of 10 percent, which
makes the vehicles that are using it also less efficient. The only entities
that benefit from this are governments whose revenue comes from taxes per
gallon pumped, and gasoline manufacturers who sell more gallons as a
result. It drives up the cost of feed corn, and everything that eats it as
well. And if that were not bad enough, it deteriorates any rubber parts
that are not compounded to resist it. Vapor locks, too. But, "We are from
the Government, and we are here to help you." thinking has allowed this to
happen. Vote your conscience come election day. But, Vote and remember a
Veteran when you do. Happy New Year.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Greg and April
<gregandapril@earthlink.net>wrote:
> Personally I think butanol is a better option than ethanol.
> .
>
> Greg H.
>
> Yeah, I'm odd that way.
>
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John R. Lebetski" <gransport@aol.com>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 13:33
> Subject: [GMCnet] This is good news, iThink??
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hope this trickles down and limits the ethanol trickling onto our fuels.
> >
> http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/01/04/how-the-finally-ended-corn-ethanol-subsidy-made-us-fatter/
> >
> > --
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| Re: [GMCnet] This is good news, iThink?? [message #155677 is a reply to message #155672] |
Fri, 06 January 2012 08:09 |
Dolph Santorine
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How come no one marches to the beat of a drum and bugle corps?
Have not heard one for years.....
Dolph
On Jan 6, 2012, at 8:58 AM, Byron Songer wrote:
> I like that -- a whole brass band. Sounds better than a fife and drum
> corps any day. Fifes have no bass.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg and April <gregandapril@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:44:32 -0700
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] This is good news, iThink??
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>> Greg H.
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>> I don't just march to the beat of my own drum - I have an entire brass
>> band
>> to keep me company.
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| Re: [GMCnet] This is good news, iThink?? [message #155926 is a reply to message #155742] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 11:52 |
gmcrv1
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My son has two bumper stickers on is car,,,
"Give Blood...Play Hockey"
And...
"I AM the different DRUMMER!"
He has been playing both since he was 4-5 years old - he's 27 now.
Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Marsha <makeminetea@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I like that -- a whole brass band. Sounds better than a fife and drum
> > corps any day. Fifes have no bass.
>
>
> My beloved Daddy used to tell me that I don't march to the beat of a
> different drummer, I have my own orchestra! I loved my daddy....
> Marsha
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