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Fri, 16 December 2011 21:31

Bob de Kruyff

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Occasionally you will see the GMC coach in there. Restored but far from original:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKj8BF4LemI

Bob de Kruyff
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Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153237 is a reply to message #153231]

Fri, 16 December 2011 22:06

USAussie

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Bob,

Interesting video, thanks!

As I watched the video I noticed a long vehicle behind a number of the cars. It was red with a silver front or silver with a red
front. It wasn't a Futurliner. I guess it might be a bus.

The other thing I noticed that had never struck me before, the Caddies of the 1950's had two protuberances on the front bumpers, I
wonder what they were meant to represent?

Bullets or an anatomical shape that also starts with a "B"?! ;-)

Regards,
Rob M.

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Occasionally you will see the GMC coach in there. Restored but far from original:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKj8BF4LemI
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Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153238 is a reply to message #153237]

Fri, 16 December 2011 22:20

James Hupy

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They were known as "Dagmar's" after a european model of the same name. Some
were moulded rubber. You be the judge.
Jim Hupy
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On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:

> Bob,
>
> Interesting video, thanks!
>
> As I watched the video I noticed a long vehicle behind a number of the
> cars. It was red with a silver front or silver with a red
> front. It wasn't a Futurliner. I guess it might be a bus.
>
> The other thing I noticed that had never struck me before, the Caddies of
> the 1950's had two protuberances on the front bumpers, I
> wonder what they were meant to represent?
>
> Bullets or an anatomical shape that also starts with a "B"?! ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
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> Occasionally you will see the GMC coach in there. Restored but far from
> original:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKj8BF4LemI
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Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153241 is a reply to message #153238]

Fri, 16 December 2011 22:33

Bob de Kruyff

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""They were known as "Dagmar's" after a european model of the same name. Some
were moulded rubber. You be the judge.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403

""

Those design staff guys were all perverts. haha

I'm not sure what the red bus is--caught my curiosity as well.

Bob de Kruyff
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Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153252 is a reply to message #153238]

Sat, 17 December 2011 00:29

USAussie

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Jim,

Thanks! But she wasn't European, she was home grown!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagmar_(American_actress)

Cultural legacy

The Dagmar bumper is a chrome bullet-point bulge on the front bumpers of Cadillacs, Buicks and Packards built during the 1950s.
During the Korean War, a 40 mm self-propelled anti-aircraft tank was named Dagmar's Twin 40s. In the 1950s and 1960s, a blonde
female midget wrestler worked as Darling Dagmar, playing off her more statuesque inspiration.

Regards,
Rob M.

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They were known as "Dagmar's" after a european model of the same name. Some
were moulded rubber. You be the judge.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403

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Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153278 is a reply to message #153231]

Sat, 17 December 2011 10:43

Ray Erspamer

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WOW, incredible collection and history of GM, it's a shame it's not open to the
public, another potential significant income stream that GM is missing. A
museum like that could have a store, clothing, souvenirs, posters, the potential
is unlimited. This type of history should be shared with the public that made
them what they were.

Also very sad to see what GM once was and knowing what it turned into, somewhere
they got all tangled up in their own socks and underwear.

You see some incredible icons and how they could have turned other models into
similar icons and they just missed it. Like the 63 Corvette Split Window
Coupe.....why not do something "iconic" with every new model corvette......I
feel like they were more lucky with these vs well planned and
calculated.......Very sad.

But, all just my own personal opinion of course.

I've worked in American industry for 40 years and I honestly believe we are
right where we deserve to be, getting our butts kicked by foreign competition.
American executives are greedy and short sighted....strategic plans are next
months stock price.....UGH! I'd better stop.

Ray

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Subject: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum

Occasionally you will see the GMC coach in there. Restored but far from
original:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKj8BF4LemI
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Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153329 is a reply to message #153278]

Sat, 17 December 2011 16:49

Bob de Kruyff

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""WOW, incredible collection and history of GM, it's a shame it's not open to the
public, another potential significant income stream that GM is missing. A
museum like that could have a store, clothing, souvenirs, posters, the potential
is unlimited. This type of history should be shared with the public that made
them what they were.

Also very sad to see what GM once was and knowing what it turned into, somewhere
they got all tangled up in their own socks and underwear""

Actually Ray, it serves a much more important function than being open to the public. It is meant to be for internal use and remind employees what a great car company is all about. Frankly, I think it is helping and knowing what is coming down the pike, I think GM is well on it's way to being the best car company period!

Bob de Kruyff
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Sat, 17 December 2011 17:05

Ray Erspamer

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I sure hope so Bob, it makes me sad to see what happened to it. I certainly
hope it returns to the incredible company it once was.

Thanks

Ray

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Sent: Sat, December 17, 2011 4:49:10 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum

""WOW, incredible collection and history of GM, it's a shame it's not open to
the

public, another potential significant income stream that GM is missing. A
museum like that could have a store, clothing, souvenirs, posters, the potential

is unlimited. This type of history should be shared with the public that made
them what they were.

Also very sad to see what GM once was and knowing what it turned into, somewhere

they got all tangled up in their own socks and underwear""

Actually Ray, it serves a much more important function than being open to the
public. It is meant to be for internal use and remind employees what a great car
company is all about. Frankly, I think it is helping and knowing what is coming
down the pike, I think GM is well on it's way to being the best car company
period!
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Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153335 is a reply to message #153278]

Sat, 17 December 2011 17:29

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Ray,

IMHO a problem with quite a few American corporations is that management went into the hands of financial type guys at the top that
didn't have a passion for the product like Henry Ford, Alfred P. Sloan, and Charles F. Kettering, etc. it is all about the bottom
line.

Regards,
Rob M.
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From: Ray Erspamer

I've worked in American industry for 40 years and I honestly believe we are
right where we deserve to be, getting our butts kicked by foreign competition.
American executives are greedy and short sighted....strategic plans are next
months stock price.....UGH! I'd better stop.

Ray

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Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153353 is a reply to message #153335]

Sat, 17 December 2011 19:44

Bob de Kruyff

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""Ray,

IMHO a problem with quite a few American corporations is that management went into the hands of financial type guys at the top that
didn't have a passion for the product like Henry Ford, Alfred P. Sloan, and Charles F. Kettering, etc. it is all about the bottom
line.

Regards,
Rob M.
"' Rob, with all my years with GM I have seen both extremes.I have no doubt that an Ed Cole or a Kettering would be toast in today's environment. I hope I'm right but I think Akerson has the financial and business smarts to realize it's all about product. He really is pushing the engineering organization like they haven't seen for years. Stock is a bargain right now!!

Bob de Kruyff
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Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153363 is a reply to message #153278]

Sat, 17 December 2011 21:08

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Ray Erspamer wrote on Sat, 17 December 2011 10:43

But, all just my own personal opinion of course.

I've worked in American industry for 40 years and I honestly believe we are
right where we deserve to be, getting our butts kicked by foreign competition.
American executives are greedy and short sighted....strategic plans are next
months stock price.....UGH! I'd better stop.

Ray

Ray - sounds like, mentally, you are about ready to retire! <grin>

Steve Southworth
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1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
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Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153367 is a reply to message #153335]

Sat, 17 December 2011 22:21

Ray Erspamer

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I totally agree Rob.

Ray

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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum

Ray,

IMHO a problem with quite a few American corporations is that management went
into the hands of financial type guys at the top that
didn't have a passion for the product like Henry Ford, Alfred P. Sloan, and
Charles F. Kettering, etc. it is all about the bottom
line.

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Erspamer

I've worked in American industry for 40 years and I honestly believe we are
right where we deserve to be, getting our butts kicked by foreign competition.
American executives are greedy and short sighted....strategic plans are next
months stock price.....UGH! I'd better stop.

Ray

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Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153368 is a reply to message #153363]

Sat, 17 December 2011 22:23

Ray Erspamer

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I think you nailed it Steve.....I'm close !

Ray

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Sent: Sat, December 17, 2011 9:08:17 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum

Ray Erspamer wrote on Sat, 17 December 2011 10:43
> But, all just my own personal opinion of course.
>
> I've worked in American industry for 40 years and I honestly believe we are
> right where we deserve to be, getting our butts kicked by foreign competition.
>
> American executives are greedy and short sighted....strategic plans are next
> months stock price.....UGH! I'd better stop.
>
> Ray

Ray - sounds like, mentally, you are about ready to retire! <grin>
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Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153394 is a reply to message #153278]

Sun, 18 December 2011 07:45

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Ray Erspamer wrote on Sat, 17 December 2011 11:43

<rant on>
As long as we are expressing opinions about GM and others, let me set some things out here. Since WWII American industry and government have both been run on the appearance of profit or prospect of progress. That is all. This is what was taught at America's business schools. Except for this time when major groups have collapsed, nobody has been held accountable. There have been a few figures in the auto industry like Ed Cole and Lee Iacoca. But, since the war most everything has been run by accountants looking for results and programs with a three year payback. I could cite numerous cases in this town of great products that just missed the target and were canned and later discovered to be just too far ahead of the curve.

I took some business class a local a prestigious university. There was one course that was based on two essential elements. The first was "Nobody reads yesterdays paper". This meant what happened before this does not matter (even if it was good) as long as you can wave something new around to attract attention. The other was experience is of no value at all. So, if you have a subordinate in your group for eighteen months and you can not have him handling major responsibilities, get rid of him. Or, if you have a man that is not a ready to be a manager after three years, get him gone. And, if you have anybody that has been with the company for more than fifteen years, "his skills are out dated, he is stuck in his grove, he does not have the needed energy," package him out or do what ever you have to do to not pay for his retirement. I almost bombed the course because I could not agree, but being a good parrot can make things look like you got it. I will tell all of you that this was a course for engineering and technical managers. The joke ends here because those of use that have lived in the technical fields can tell you that in spite of the current fast pace of the technology, it can take a recent graduate more than eighteen months to "find the bathroom", at three years some people are ready to mentor others, but not lead a group and, those that have been there a while and are so often criticized for being negative are actually saying "This didn't work the last time we tried it, what is new this time." That experience does actually have some value.

You will hear people tell you that the Japanese can propose and ship a new car in less than two years. That is simply not true. Their industry runs on a five year cycle. A group can and will take five years to design and develop a platform for a vehicle. When they want it, it will get skin and interior in less than two years. Look at the trouble Toyota has gotten into trying to run their products in our business model.

<rant off>
Well, it is Sunday morning and the beginning of Mary's holiday work schedule so there are things to be done.

Matt

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Sun, 18 December 2011 09:12

Ray Erspamer

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clip
I took some business class a local a prestigious university. There was one
course that was based on two essential elements. The first was "Nobody reads
yesterdays paper". This meant what happened before this does not matter (even
if it was good) as long as you can wave something new around to attract
attention. The other was experience is of no value at all. So, if you have a
subordinate in your group for eighteen months and you can not have him handling
major responsibilities, get rid of him. Or, if you have a man that is not a
ready to be a manager after three years, get him gone. And, if you have
anybody that has been with the company for more than fifteen years, "his skills
are out dated, he is stuck in his grove, he does not have the needed energy,"
package him out or do what ever you have to do to not pay for his retirement.
I almost bombed the course because I could not agree, but being a good parrot
can make things look like you got it. I will tell all of you that this was a
course for engineering and technical managers. The joke ends here because
those of use that have lived in the technical fields can tell you that in spite
of the current fast pace of the technology, it can take a recent graduate more
than eighteen months to "find the bathroom", at three years some people are
ready to mentor others, but not lead a group and, those that have been there a
while and are so often criticized for being negative are actually saying "This
didn't work the last time we tried it, what is new this time." That experience
does actually have some value.

I feel you nailed it Matt, this is the exact kind of "new concept brain dead
thinking" that got American industry into the trouble it's now in. Very sad !

Ray

Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/

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Sent: Sun, December 18, 2011 7:45:20 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum

Ray Erspamer wrote on Sat, 17 December 2011 11:43
> WOW, incredible collection and history of GM, it's a shame it's not open to the
>public, another potential significant income stream that GM is missing. A
>museum like that could have a store, clothing, souvenirs, posters, the potential
>is unlimited. This type of history should be shared with the public that made
>them what they were.
>
> Also very sad to see what GM once was and knowing what it turned into,
>somewhere they got all tangled up in their own socks and underwear.
>
> You see some incredible icons and how they could have turned other models into
>similar icons and they just missed it. Like the 63 Corvette Split Window
>Coupe.....why not do something "iconic" with every new model corvette......I
>feel like they were more lucky with these vs well planned and
>calculated.......Very sad.
>
> But, all just my own personal opinion of course.
>
> I've worked in American industry for 40 years and I honestly believe we are
>right where we deserve to be, getting our butts kicked by foreign competition.
>American executives are greedy and short sighted....strategic plans are next
>
> months stock price.....UGH! I'd better stop.
>
> Ray

<rant on>
As long as we are expressing opinions about GM and others, let me set some
things out here. Since WWII American industry and government have both been run
on the appearance of profit or prospect of progress. That is all. This is what
was taught at America's business schools. Except for this time when major
groups have collapsed, nobody has been held accountable. There have been a few
figures in the auto industry like Ed Cole and Lee Iacoca. But, since the war
most everything has been run by accountants looking for results and programs
with a three year payback. I could cite numerous cases in this town of great
products that just missed the target and were canned and later discovered to be
just too far ahead of the curve.

I took some business class a local a prestigious university. There was one
course that was based on two essential elements. The first was "Nobody reads
yesterdays paper". This meant what happened before this does not matter (even
if it was good) as long as you can wave something new around to attract
attention. The other was experience is of no value at all. So, if you have a
subordinate in your group for eighteen months and you can not have him handling
major responsibilities, get rid of him. Or, if you have a man that is not a
ready to be a manager after three years, get him gone. And, if you have anybody
that has been with the company for more than fifteen years, "his skills are out
dated, he is stuck in his grove, he does not have the needed energy," package
him out or do what ever you have to do to not pay for his retirement. I almost
bombed the course because I could not agree, but being a good parrot can make
things look like you got it. I will tell all of you that this was a course for
engineering and technical managers. The joke ends here because those of use
that have lived in the technical fields can tell you that in spite of the
current fast pace of the technology, it can take a recent graduate more than
eighteen months to "find the bathroom", at three years some people are ready to
mentor others, but not lead a group and, those that have been there a while and
are so often criticized for being negative are actually saying "This didn't work
the last time we tried it, what is new this time." That experience does
actually have some value.

You will hear people tell you that the Japanese can propose and ship a new car
in less than two years. That is simply not true. Their industry runs on a five
year cycle. A group can and will take five years to design and develop a
platform for a vehicle. When they want it, it will get skin and interior in
less than two years. Look at the trouble Toyota has gotten into trying to run
their products in our business model.

<rant off>
Well, it is Sunday morning and the beginning of Mary's holiday work schedule so
there are things to be done.

Matt

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Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153406 is a reply to message #153403]

Sun, 18 December 2011 09:28

Bob de Kruyff

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I'm a lot more positive about this than most I guess. I recently saw the news release and video of the new cadillac ATS 4 cyl turbo that has the highest specific power in the industry bar none. What did surprise me was that the chief engineer for the engine is a "kid" that I hired straight out of college about 15 years ago. I currently have 5 ASU engineering interns in my engineering activity and they are just amazing. Not only are they book smart, but they can weld, wrench, and do whatever it takes to get the job done. It's a pleasure to be around these kids that are going to run the business for many years. Many will also go on the get business degrees as well and those are the ones to watch. I do think that in today's world, that leaders of companies such as GM have to be more than just engineers. I worked for Bob Stempel and Lloyd Reuss when they ran GM during the dark days and even though they were both great engineers, they didn't have the business capability to sustain the company. It's a balance and although we love to crash the been counters, they aren't all as bad as we portray them--we just need the good ones.

Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ

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Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153418 is a reply to message #153406]

Sun, 18 December 2011 11:21

Matt Colie

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Bob de Kruyff wrote on Sun, 18 December 2011 10:28

Just be sure to tell those of your interns that are white and have English or German surnames to be careful of Detroit. In this town - now - diversity is everything. (Do you know what a diverse person is?? It is anyone that does not look like you, but agrees with you.) Education does not make a good engineer. If any of those decide to come this way, please assure them that if they are in an OE plant and they touch a tool, the plant will get shut down until the grievance is reviewed. Yes, there are business smart engineers, and there are product smart accountants, but as long as the country lets the ones that only look at the short term bottom line run the show, we are going to loose. Until the schools change and start to teach what really works long term, we will be stuck with short term thinking.

It was only a few years ago that the report hit this town like a hurricane. That was the report that said that the median car in this country is nine years old and has over one hundred thousand miles on it. Most of OE management was shocked and surprised. (Truth)

I'm glad that you are as positive as you are, but these are the same people that brought us the Revolutionary Volt... A 45,000$us car that only seats four, gets an actual >30MPG on the highway. An, when the regime outlaws coal power plants (2014 plan) you will not be able to afford to charge it at home.

I could tell stories of design disasters all night. Fortunately, the quality coming out of the domestics is now absolutely world class. But, General Motors Inc. is no more. (Officially this week GM Co. bought what it wanted from GM inc. and left the rest.)

There is hope in Dan Akerson, but as long as the regime and the UAW are holding controlling interest, it is just hope.

Thank you for listening, I'll go sit down now....

Matt

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Re: GM Heritage Museum [message #153421 is a reply to message #153231]

Sun, 18 December 2011 11:45

JohnL455

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It is amazing how well GM (and Ford and Chrysler for that matter) are doing considering that whenever I pull up to a light and count I am outnumbered by foreign cars. This is in spite of Joe average guy buying foreign and giving so much away year after year to outside economys and believing that foreign product is supperior. Even if it wasn't, wouldn't you give the homeland the benefit of the doubt and if burned maybe switch from GM to Ford instead of throwing in the towel? Perhaps for the big 3 to be surviving all this proves their products are even better than the average guy thinks. Also regarding the Collection, after the big sell off the Heritage is now downsized.
I heard that some of the decision making on what stayed and what went was another lame brained exercise in bean counting.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II

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Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153424 is a reply to message #153418]

Sun, 18 December 2011 11:56

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Our lowest mileage vehicle is a 2004 Ford F-250 Diesel
that has 80,000 miles. Next comes the GMC with 90k.
Then wife's 2002 Explorer with 150 k, then 1999 GMC
2500 Sierra with 153k. This does not include the two
Harleys; my 2000 with 22k and wife's 2007 with 3k.

I guess we aren't keeping up with the Joneses, eh?

Thinking about buying a used 2011 Ford Flex with
about 20k on it.

NOTE: All American makes, even if not built in USA.

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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: matt7323tze@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:21:29 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum
>
>
>
> Bob de Kruyff wrote on Sun, 18 December 2011 10:28
> > I'm a lot more positive about this than most I guess. I recently saw the news release and video of the new cadillac ATS 4 cyl turbo that has the highest specific power in the industry bar none. What did surprise me was that the chief engineer for the engine is a "kid" that I hired straight out of college about 15 years ago. I currently have 5 ASU engineering interns in my engineering activity and they are just amazing. Not only are they book smart, but they can weld, wrench, and do whatever it takes to get the job done. It's a pleasure to be around these kids that are going to run the business for many years. Many will also go on the get business degrees as well and those are the ones to watch. I do think that in today's world, that leaders of companies such as GM have to be more than just engineers. I worked for Bob Stempel and Lloyd Reuss when they ran GM during the dark days and even though they were both great engineers, they didn't have the business capability to sustain the company. It's a balance and although we love to crash the been counters, they aren't all as bad as we portray them--we just need the good ones.
>
> Just be sure to tell those of your interns that are white and have English or German surnames to be careful of Detroit. In this town - now - diversity is everything. (Do you know what a diverse person is?? It is anyone that does not look like you, but agrees with you.) Education does not make a good engineer. If any of those decide to come this way, please assure them that if they are in an OE plant and they touch a tool, the plant will get shut down until the grievance is reviewed. Yes, there are business smart engineers, and there are product smart accountants, but as long as the country lets the ones that only look at the short term bottom line run the show, we are going to loose. Until the schools change and start to teach what really works long term, we will be stuck with short term thinking.
>
> It was only a few years ago that the report hit this town like a hurricane. That was the report that said that the median car in this country is nine years old and has over one hundred thousand miles on it. Most of OE management was shocked and surprised. (Truth)
>
> I'm glad that you are as positive as you are, but these are the same people that brought us the Revolutionary Volt... A 45,000$us car that only seats four, gets an actual >30MPG on the highway. An, when the regime outlaws coal power plants (2014 plan) you will not be able to afford to charge it at home.
>
> I could tell stories of design disasters all night. Fortunately, the quality coming out of the domestics is now absolutely world class. But, General Motors Inc. is no more. (Officially this week GM Co. bought what it wanted from GM inc. and left the rest.)
>
> There is hope in Dan Akerson, but as long as the regime and the UAW are holding controlling interest, it is just hope.
>
> Thank you for listening, I'll go sit down now....
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie
> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumi�re (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you will find
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit

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Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153431 is a reply to message #153418]

Sun, 18 December 2011 12:45

Bob de Kruyff

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Matt--I'm from Detroit and understand diversity. My current interns a American, Indian and Mexican and they all share the same great ethics and ideals. As far as the Volt--that's a debate for another venue but I'm getting one.

Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ

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