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| starting problem [message #151940] |
Tue, 06 December 2011 18:33  |
homer
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looking to make contact with GMCers in the Phx area,who may know of a good engine/wiring/starter/what-ever guy to trouble shoot my intermitent starting problem before I loose all my hair.Homer in Phoenix
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| Re: [GMCnet] starting problem [message #151962 is a reply to message #151946] |
Tue, 06 December 2011 20:10  |
homer
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Gene.Have had a start problem from day one 8 mths back, try start nothing try again may start will start after who knows how many trys,have spent hrs tracing wires,pulled starter changed seliniod,still the same,I give up need a trouble shooter. my local #480-802-7744 homer
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| Re: [GMCnet] starting problem [message #151982 is a reply to message #151962] |
Tue, 06 December 2011 21:29 |
Bob de Kruyff
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| homer wrote on Tue, 06 December 2011 19:10 |
Gene.Have had a start problem from day one 8 mths back, try start nothing try again may start will start after who knows how many trys,have spent hrs tracing wires,pulled starter changed seliniod,still the same,I give up need a trouble shooter. my local #480-802-7744 homer
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Homer--I live in Phoenix and will be happy to help you. Unfortunately I can only do it on weekends. If you can wait till Saturday, I'll help ! I have had similar issues for about 4 different reasons. The neutral safety switch, the wire running to the solenoid, the starter itself, and the ignition switch. Luckilly all of those can be found relatively easily. Let me know and we can hook up over the weekend.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: starting problem [message #151985 is a reply to message #151940] |
Tue, 06 December 2011 21:34 |
g.winger
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Don't know if you have hard starting or hard cranking. If it cranks fast all the time and won't start is diffrent than no crank/crank slow/crank fast but sometimes slow!!!! Was reading my 72 Eldo repair manual a while back. Factory manual,,,,not those junk haynes things. Had a section on how to diagnose slow cranking. Using an analog VOM,,,,attach one lead to one end of a cable and the other to the far end. With the meter on the 18 volt scale crank the engine with the ignition disabled and WHILE its cranking switch to the 2 volt scale. This will tell you the voltage drop while cranking,,,,or high current load. Voltage drop is worse(forgot the formula) when under load! I have never done this test on an auto while cranking but have done alot of VD tests. Maybe this will help,,,,,PL
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| Re: starting problem [message #151995 is a reply to message #151985] |
Tue, 06 December 2011 22:23 |
homer
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Problem is when you turn the key to start,you just hear the click of a connect,if she does crank it starts like now right-now. when you need it to start no way,she will start when she wants to!!! homer
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| Re: starting problem [message #152005 is a reply to message #151995] |
Tue, 06 December 2011 23:19 |
Ken Burton
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If the click you are hearing is coming from the starter area then the problem has to be the solenoid, the starter itself, or the starter gear not engaging the flywheel.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] starting problem [message #152015 is a reply to message #151982] |
Wed, 07 December 2011 05:31 |
Mr ERFisher
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what an excellent offer
sounds like you will get it fixed
here is some info on wiring the starter directly to the battery using the
existing cables
http://goo.gl/GPpH2
here is some info on how to bypass the NSS switch
http://goo.gl/II2HZ
good luck
gene
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@aol.com> wrote:
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> homer wrote on Tue, 06 December 2011 19:10
> > Gene.Have had a start problem from day one 8 mths back, try start
> nothing try again may start will start after who knows how many trys,have
> spent hrs tracing wires,pulled starter changed seliniod,still the same,I
> give up need a trouble shooter. my local #480-802-7744 homer
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> Homer--I live in Phoenix and will be happy to help you. Unfortunately I
> can only do it on weekends. If you can wait till Saturday, I'll help ! I
> have had similar issues for about 4 different reasons. The neutral safety
> switch, the wire running to the solenoid, the starter itself, and the
> ignition switch. Luckilly all of those can be found relatively easily. Let
> me know and we can hook up over the weekend.
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> Bob de Kruyff
> 78 Eleganza
> Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] starting problem [message #152041 is a reply to message #152015] |
Wed, 07 December 2011 09:50 |
homer
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Thank you all for your input to my starting problem,Bob & Gene thanks yes I would like to take you up on your offer of help on the weekend ,I am located in Sun Lakes off Riggs rd,I have thought of going to button start but not worked down the list that far as yet. look forward to meeting on the weekend. #480-802-7744 Homer
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| Re: [GMCnet] starting problem [message #152104 is a reply to message #152041] |
Wed, 07 December 2011 20:01 |
Bob de Kruyff
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| homer wrote on Wed, 07 December 2011 08:50 |
Thank you all for your input to my starting problem,Bob & Gene thanks yes I would like to take you up on your offer of help on the weekend ,I am located in Sun Lakes off Riggs rd,I have thought of going to button start but not worked down the list that far as yet. look forward to meeting on the weekend. #480-802-7744 Homer
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Homer--I live 1 mile north of you in Ocotillo. My coach is stored in Sun Lakes and my GMC storage neighbour lives in Sun Lakes. Between Jerry and myself, we can make sure your coach never starts again 
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] starting problem [message #152109 is a reply to message #152104] |
Wed, 07 December 2011 20:11 |
Chr$
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sounds like we're having a rally!
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
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| Re: starting problem [message #152163 is a reply to message #151940] |
Thu, 08 December 2011 11:53 |
g.winger
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Another way to diagnose a no crank problem is to install a "remote tester" board. If you wish to know where you do not have voltage while the key is at the crank position, run some seperate #14 or # 12 wires to which location you wish to test. From the starter big wire. The hot wire on the starter that comes from the key,,, after the neutral safty switch,,,etc. Attach these to a screw mounted on a board inside the cab along with a ground. When it fails to start you can test the voltage remotely. You don't need this if you have help. Or if it fails often. You could install some low wattage 12v lamps. No need for a tester. Multiple locations could be tested at a glance. Make sure you have a factory service manual and study it. Hope this halps,,,,,,Paul {practicing electrician for over 30 years} Leavitt. PS,,,,Hope I didn't confuse ya,,,,its not that complicated to do a temperary board with 3-5 test points.
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| Re: [GMCnet] starting problem [message #152192 is a reply to message #152119] |
Thu, 08 December 2011 18:31 |
Chr$
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| WD0AFQ wrote on Wed, 07 December 2011 20:44 |
| Chr$ wrote on Wed, 07 December 2011 20:11 |
sounds like we're having a rally!
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Yep Chris, you and Bob are lucky. You get to practice on someone else's coach.
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LOL I wish.
I'll actually be unavailable this weekend. have both a Scout activity with my son and our 10 Yr anniversary. I'll be there in spirit.
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
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| Re: starting problem [message #152235 is a reply to message #152211] |
Thu, 08 December 2011 22:27 |
homer
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Bob, I would realy appreciate your inport with this problem if we could get together on the weekend that would be great.I think we are in the same storage of Robsons off Riggs,give me a call if you can make it. homer
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| Re: starting problem [message #152410 is a reply to message #151940] |
Sat, 10 December 2011 12:42 |
Luvn737s
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Rats I'm on a trip. I'd like to go out there and get in the way.
I have a very similar problem and it may be battery contact problems or you might try a insulating wrap around the starter to shield it from exhaust pipe heat.
Homer- Bob's your man on this one.
Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
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