| what lines are good for trans and fuel [message #147687] |
Mon, 24 October 2011 16:26  |
sgltrac
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Hello all again, it has been awhile since my last post but I have been "lurking". Some of you may recall my earlier posts regarding radiator choice as I was weighing re-coring my original radiator vs replacing with aluminum radiator. I elected to have the original radiator re-cored with oe style copper/brass core. The rad shop I used convinced me to go with 5/8" dimpled tube for better efficiency (30%) even though the 5/8"core has three rows rather than four with the 1/2" tube. I had Seattle Radiator due the job after meeting with Lou, the owner. They also refurbish fuel tanks for those who are interested. The radiator currently sits in a box inside the coach while I scrape and brush the accumulated grit and goo off of the frame where I will re string the lines. The existing trans lines are rusted,dinged and have been cut to splice in the auxillary cooler. I wish to replace with new steel lines from the trans out but was having no luck sourcing 5/16" line from local parts jobbers. I was able to find a supplier of steel 5/16" line(Marmon Keystone). Here is the question. The line is available in bulk only(minimum $150 for order) and can be ordered uncoated or coated with zinc. I know I dont want bare but is zinc ok for transmission line use? Also since I have to spend $150 or more I thought I would buy some of the same tube in 3/8" for fuel line so same question there, zinc ok for that? Since I am asking questions, the wall thickness of the 5/16"tube in question is 035. Is that about the same wall thickness as the original? I plan on bending and cutting to length followed by flaring the end of the tube with a hand tube flaring tool.
Thanks in advance to your replies.
Seattle Washington
Sully
77 Royale basket case.
Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list)
Seattle, Wa.
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| Re: [GMCnet] what lines are good for trans and fuel [message #147693 is a reply to message #147687] |
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ljdavick
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Sully,
How about Poly-Armour? It's made for brake and fuel lines, and I imagine automatic transmission fluid would pose no problem to it. One of the fellows here on the list suggested this product as it is easily bendable by hand and has greater corrosion resistance than steel.
<http://www.agscompany.com/faq/10>
I don't know if it's stocked, but they list AutoZone, CarParts.com, JC Whitney, an O'Reilly's among others on their where to buy page. I'd guess it's a whole lot cheaper than stainless.
Larry Davick
Fremont, California
The Mystery Machine
'76 (ish) Palm Beach
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From: "sgltrac" <sgltrac@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:26:57 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] what lines are good for trans and fuel
Hello all again, it has been awhile since my last post but I have been "lurking". Some of you may recall my earlier posts regarding radiator choice as I was weighing re-coring my original radiator vs replacing with aluminum radiator. I elected to have the original radiator re-cored with oe style copper/brass core. The rad shop I used convinced me to go with 5/8" dimpled tube for better efficiency (30%) even though the 5/8"core has three rows rather than four with the 1/2" tube. I had Seattle Radiator due the job after meeting with Lou, the owner. They also refurbish fuel tanks for those who are interested. The radiator currently sits in a box inside the coach while I scrape and brush the accumulated grit and goo off of the frame where I will re string the lines. The existing trans lines are rusted,dinged and have been cut to splice in the auxillary cooler. I wish to replace with new steel lines from the trans out but was having no luck sourcing 5/16" line from local parts job
bers. I was able to find a supplier of steel 5/16" line(Marmon Keystone). Here is the question. The line is available in bulk only(minimum $150 for order) and can be ordered uncoated or coated with zinc. I know I dont want bare but is zinc ok for transmission line use? Also since I have to spend $150 or more I thought I would buy some of the same tube in 3/8" for fuel line so same question there, zinc ok for that? Since I am asking questions, the wall thickness of the 5/16"tube in question is 035. Is that about the same wall thickness as the original? I plan on bending and cutting to length followed by flaring the end of the tube with a hand tube flaring tool.
Thanks in advance to your replies.
Seattle Washington
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77 Royale basket case.
Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list)
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| Re: what lines are good for trans and fuel [message #147701 is a reply to message #147687] |
Mon, 24 October 2011 17:24 |
GMC Cruse
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| sgltrac wrote on Mon, 24 October 2011 17:26 |
Hello all again, it has been awhile since my last post but I have been "lurking". Some of you may recall my earlier posts regarding radiator choice as I was weighing re-coring my original radiator vs replacing with aluminum radiator. I elected to have the original radiator re-cored with oe style copper/brass core. The rad shop I used convinced me to go with 5/8" dimpled tube for better efficiency (30%) even though the 5/8"core has three rows rather than four with the 1/2" tube. I had Seattle Radiator due the job after meeting with Lou, the owner. They also refurbish fuel tanks for those who are interested. The radiator currently sits in a box inside the coach while I scrape and brush the accumulated grit and goo off of the frame where I will re string the lines. The existing trans lines are rusted,dinged and have been cut to splice in the auxillary cooler. I wish to replace with new steel lines from the trans out but was having no luck sourcing 5/16" line from local parts jobbers. I was able to find a supplier of steel 5/16" line(Marmon Keystone). Here is the question. The line is available in bulk only(minimum $150 for order) and can be ordered uncoated or coated with zinc. I know I dont want bare but is zinc ok for transmission line use? Also since I have to spend $150 or more I thought I would buy some of the same tube in 3/8" for fuel line so same question there, zinc ok for that? Since I am asking questions, the wall thickness of the 5/16"tube in question is 035. Is that about the same wall thickness as the original? I plan on bending and cutting to length followed by flaring the end of the tube with a hand tube flaring tool.
Thanks in advance to your replies.
Seattle Washington
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I bought some 5/16 steel lines at Advance Auto 2 weeks ago, it's regularly stocked. They also have 25' rolls.
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/PartSearchCmd?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&pageId=partTypeList&s uggestion=&actionSrc=Form&searchTerm=5%2F16+brake+line
If there are no Advance Auto's in your area, try Autozone, it is also a regularly stocked item there.
Mike K.
'75 PB
Southeast Michigan
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| Re: what lines are good for trans and fuel [message #147718 is a reply to message #147712] |
Mon, 24 October 2011 19:11 |
sgltrac
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Thanks to all of you for your quick reply. Looks like time will dictate that I use 5/16" brake line and connectors since the longest local stock is 60" and my estimated run is close to 8' prior to hitting the cooler. There does not appear to be a local distributor of poly-armour in the Seattle area. It will work fine but I wanted to avoid unneccessary connection points.
Thanks again,
Sully
77 Royale basket case.
Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list)
Seattle, Wa.
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| Re: [GMCnet] what lines are good for trans and fuel [message #147722 is a reply to message #147718] |
Mon, 24 October 2011 19:34 |
Dennis S
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Sully
If you are just wanting to run the coach long enough to turn it around
why not connect the two old lines with a rubber hose. No real need for
cooling for such limited use.
Then you have more tome to source new lines.
Just an opinion.
Dennis S
73 GMC
Germantown, tn
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On Oct 24, 2011, at 7:11 PM, sgltrac <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks to all of you for your quick reply. Looks like time will
> dictate that I use 5/16" brake line and connectors since the longest
> local stock is 60" and my estimated run is close to 8' prior to
> hitting the cooler. There does not appear to be a local distributor
> of poly-armour in the Seattle area. It will work fine but I wanted
> to avoid unneccessary connection points.
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> Thanks again,
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> Sully
> 77 Royale basket case.
> Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list)
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| Re: [GMCnet] what lines are good for trans and fuel [message #147725 is a reply to message #147722] |
Mon, 24 October 2011 19:49 |
sgltrac
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Thought about that but if I do a "temporary" fix it will end up being permanent. I don't want to pull the radiator again. Ever if possible.
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From: Dennis Sexton <dennisfsexton@aol.com>
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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:34:41
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] what lines are good for trans and fuel
Sully
If you are just wanting to run the coach long enough to turn it around
why not connect the two old lines with a rubber hose. No real need for
cooling for such limited use.
Then you have more tome to source new lines.
Just an opinion.
Dennis S
73 GMC
Germantown, tn
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 24, 2011, at 7:11 PM, sgltrac <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks to all of you for your quick reply. Looks like time will
> dictate that I use 5/16" brake line and connectors since the longest
> local stock is 60" and my estimated run is close to 8' prior to
> hitting the cooler. There does not appear to be a local distributor
> of poly-armour in the Seattle area. It will work fine but I wanted
> to avoid unneccessary connection points.
>
> Thanks again,
> --
> Sully
> 77 Royale basket case.
> Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list)
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| Re: [GMCnet] what lines are good for trans and fuel [message #147734 is a reply to message #147731] |
Mon, 24 October 2011 21:16 |
sgltrac
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Thanks guys! Geese I called tranny shops/o'reilly/napa/hydraulic line shops etc and nobody knew what the h+@l I was talking about. I can send the 60" sticks back in the am and go to auto zone. Thanks again!
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From: "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
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Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:46:34
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] what lines are good for trans and fuel
Sully,
I just did a Google search for Poly-Armour and found that it is sold by AutoZone.
I went to Auto Zone and did a search for stores in Seattle, WA and found these stores:
306 23rd Ave S
Seattle WA 98144
(206) 302-7888
10002 16th Ave SW
Seattle WA 98146
(206) 763-4229
9471 Rainier Ave S.
Seattle WA 98118
(206) 721-0381
I selected this store:
306 23RD AVE. S
SEATTLE, WA 98144
(206) 302-7888
I then did a search for AGS Poly-Armour and nothing came up.
BUT the screen gave me options to search for Metal Line and Metal Tubing.
I selected Metal Tubing and up came 1 to 53 items the first of which was an AGS Poly-Armour 3/16" brake line.
So much for AutoZone's search function!
To the right was NARROW YOUR SEARCH and under that was > 3/8" diameter.
I clicked on that and up came:
AGS/3/8 in. o.d. x 25 ft. coil Poly-Armour fuel and transmission line
Price: $24.99
Part Number: PAC-625
Alternate Part Number: BLC-625
AVAILABILITY:STORE PICK UP AVAILABLE
Normally stocked at your local store.
http://tinyurl.com/5rjw6j3
It might be worth your while to call around.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: sgltrac
Time is the issue, trying to get this done asap since I need lines to fire the rig to pull it out of the shop and turn it around to
finish painting while we have a gap in the schedule. I remember the Poly-armour discussion but am having problems finding a local
distributor as there is no Advance auto parts store in the state. The AGS company is closed so I cannot call for distributor info.
BOO. That is what i get for not looking ahead :(
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| Re: [GMCnet] what lines are good for trans and fuel [message #147735 is a reply to message #147731] |
Mon, 24 October 2011 21:24 |
midlf
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Mon, 24 October 2011 20:46 |
Sully,
I just did a Google search for Poly-Armour and found that it is sold by AutoZone.
I went to Auto Zone and did a search for stores in Seattle, WA and found these stores:
306 23rd Ave S
Seattle WA 98144
(206) 302-7888
10002 16th Ave SW
Seattle WA 98146
(206) 763-4229
9471 Rainier Ave S.
Seattle WA 98118
(206) 721-0381
I selected this store:
306 23RD AVE. S
SEATTLE, WA 98144
(206) 302-7888
I then did a search for AGS Poly-Armour and nothing came up.
BUT the screen gave me options to search for Metal Line and Metal Tubing.
I selected Metal Tubing and up came 1 to 53 items the first of which was an AGS Poly-Armour 3/16" brake line.
So much for AutoZone's search function!
To the right was NARROW YOUR SEARCH and under that was > 3/8" diameter.
I clicked on that and up came:
AGS/3/8 in. o.d. x 25 ft. coil Poly-Armour fuel and transmission line
Price: $24.99
Part Number: PAC-625
Alternate Part Number: BLC-625
AVAILABILITY:STORE PICK UP AVAILABLE
Normally stocked at your local store.
http://tinyurl.com/5rjw6j3
It might be worth your while to call around.
Regards,
Rob M.
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And some people wonder why in the world would I still want a paper catalog rather than using on line search tools. This is an example of exactly why. A number of times at my local NAPA (staffed by old guys who know what they are doing) they give up on the computer and start pulling out paper catalogs to find what they are looking for. Latest "for instance" was the in-line PS and trans filters I was looking for, he did find them on paper.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] what lines are good for trans and fuel [message #147765 is a reply to message #147712] |
Tue, 25 October 2011 08:40 |
Steven Ferguson
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If only for a short time, just make a loop from the output of the trans to
the input. Just turning it around is not going to generate enough heat to
even come close to causing problems. Cut the orig lines, half double flare
the ends and clamp on rubber 516 tubing. You should be able to drive the
coach several miles like this.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:40 PM, sgltrac <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Time is the issue, trying to get this done asap since I need lines to fire
> the rig to pull it out of the shop and turn it around to finish painting
> while we have a gap in the schedule. I remember the Poly-armour discussion
> but am having problems finding a local distributor as there is no Advance
> auto parts store in the state. The AGS company is closed so I cannot call
> for distributor info. BOO. That is what i get for not looking ahead :(
> --
> Sully
> 77 Royale basket case.
> Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list)
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