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Tue, 18 October 2011 07:51  |
willem
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from what cars can i take the parts for the hubler conversion ?
is this the Chevy 89 - 94 or are there several more models and brands to look at ?
i live in the netherlands and here it is not easy to find this parts, shipping is not an option (extreme shipping costs).
willem
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| Re: hubler 1 ton [message #146906 is a reply to message #146902] |
Tue, 18 October 2011 08:21  |
roel_b
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Hi Willem,
Try this:
http://www.usa2ned.com
I used them a couple of times, saves on shippingcosts.
Brgds.,
Roel_B
| willem wrote on Tue, 18 October 2011 14:51 |
from what cars can i take the parts for the hubler conversion ?
is this the Chevy 89 - 94 or are there several more models and brands to look at ?
i live in the netherlands and here it is not easy to find this parts, shipping is not an option (extreme shipping costs).
willem
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| Re: [GMCnet] hubler 1 ton [message #146963 is a reply to message #146944] |
Tue, 18 October 2011 19:24 |
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USAussie
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G'day,
One must be VERY careful with the USPS Priority Flat Rate Boxes. I used them to ship some brake parts from Quakertown, PA to
Houston, TX. Inside the USA the 20 pound requirement does not apply; the items just have to fit inside the boxes. There were four
boxes. They contained the parts of a Cadillac Eldorado rear brake setup for two rear wheels. I do not remember what was in each box
but they were heavy. When I packed them the padding around the parts expanded the boxes. When I mailed them the young lady told me
that wouldn't be a problem as the parts "fit in the box." When the parts got to Texas I got nailed for about $120 in extra shipping
charges because the boxes weren't "within the dimensions required" or words to that effect. They went priority and I got charged for
the weight of each of the boxes!
I copied the following information from the USPS Website regarding:
International Prices
Online discounts are available through Click-N-Ship at usps.com to international destinations. The weight limit is 20 pounds to
international destinations for items mailed in the Priority Mail Large Flat Rate Boxes provided by the Postal Service.
When sealing a Flat Rate Box, the container flaps must be able to close within the normal folds. Tape may be applied to the flaps
and seams to reinforce the container; provided the design of the container is not enlarged by opening the sides and the container is
not reconstructed in any way.
I copied the following information from the USPS Website regarding:
Domestic Prices
One low price regardless of weight for items mailed to U.S. destinations in the Priority Mail Large Flat Rate Boxes provided by the
Postal Service.
HOWEVER; I found the following at this link: https://www.usps.com/ship/priority-mail-flat.htm?
Just select a Flat Rate Envelope, a prepaid Flat Rate Envelope, or one of our boxes. Each size has one low rate, no matter the
weight.* It includes free Package PickupT at your door. Plus, when you ship online you'll get special savings and free Delivery
ConfirmationT.
*Mailable items up to 70 lbs.
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: Kurt Luthy
Hi Willem
Not really, shipping can be affordable. If it is not over 20 lbs and fits in
the flat rate box then it is only $45 to Europe!
Kurt Luthy
Las Vegas
74 26"
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| Re: [GMCnet] hubler 1 ton [message #146974 is a reply to message #146957] |
Tue, 18 October 2011 20:31 |
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USAussie
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Gene,
Huh?
Welcome to GMC Motorhomes International
Dear GMC Motorhome Owner,
As a fellow GMC Motorhome owner I would like to take this opportunity to introduce a GMC Motorhomes technical information chapter to
you. The GMC Motorhomes International Chapter was chartered in 1982 and has a membership of over 1400 GMC Motorhome owners. The
chapter provides members with the following benefits.
Publish a quarterly technical newsletter that provides an exchange of ideas and technical information among members.
A Newsletter Index is published yearly to cover all past newsletters and an updated Parts Interchange Index is also published
yearly. (Not part of this website).
Conduct two national conventions each year that provide members with a chance to get acquainted with other GMC owners and to
participate in technical seminars and discussions pertaining to the GMC Motorhome.
Distribute a membership roster of all chapter members. These rosters can prove invaluable when traveling and can provide a source of
local service, if ever needed.
Maintain this web site where members can get the latest information on all types of GMC Motorhome activity.
All past Newsletters can also be purchased by new members. Dues are $30.00 per calendar year and a membership application is
available on this site as well.
Sincerely,
Billy Massey
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: erfisher@gmail.com
Sad to say I am a
Member but get nothing for it
Gene
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On Oct 18, 2011, at 3:28 PM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> It's only held hostage if one is a cheap bugger and not willing to spend $30 to support GMCMI. ;>)
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> Regards,
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| Re: [GMCnet] hubler 1 ton [message #146993 is a reply to message #146980] |
Tue, 18 October 2011 21:23 |
Mr ERFisher
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> "down in the mouth statements" up about GMCMI.
not true, I would just would like change,
> I have the handout and will mail it to you if you would like.
not fair to the other 800 members...
the problem is, this is just excellent information, that is not secret, just
not distributed. In this case , I know of no other place where this was
discussed....
and I could not send it to answer the "excellent" question, of how do I do
this (one ton) my self.
If it were known what Patterson, lenzi, Emery, etc, were presenting at
these rallys, I think it would give an exponential rise to membership and
attendance.
the other side of this issue, is, there are folks on the inside that have
these handouts, while the owners who cannot make it to every rally will
never know.
Some of this info, has been held hostage for 15 years.
Now I think Bryon and the GMCES have done an excellent job by holding some
info for one year then making it public. (and i am a member)
I am a member of the GMCMI because I believe in the GMC , and the future of
the GMC, and I think there needs to be an International GMC group.
But when we get a question like this one, and the information is known, but
it is not collected , or released, I am really disappointed, and worried
about the future of the GMC community.
I thought I was very quiet this year, only pointing out when information was
being held Hostage....;>)
Bdub is the best, without him, there would be no us.....
thanks (I think)
gene
Emails don't give rise to attitude so I am worried some of the new folks get
> the wrong impression of you. Since I know you in person I think you are not
> always serious so I just let it pass. If I could get the stuff up and
> internet ready for you I would but that is not up to me.
> Thanks for all that you do for the rest of us.
> Dan
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| Re: hubler 1 ton [message #147022 is a reply to message #146902] |
Wed, 19 October 2011 02:24 |
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| willem wrote on Tue, 18 October 2011 05:51 |
from what cars can i take the parts for the hubler conversion ?
is this the Chevy 89 - 94 or are there several more models and brands to look at ?
i live in the netherlands and here it is not easy to find this parts, shipping is not an option (extreme shipping costs).
willem
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I am not a "1 ton expert" but I do know that the axle shafts are not an off the shelf item. (Custom made using 1 ton joints.) I suspect there are a few other items that might be hard to come by.
Manny has reduced the prices of his kits quite a bit by sourcing parts in quantity. I suspect that picking up the parts separately would be more expensive than buying his kit ad shipping it. The "normal wear parts" are available at most parts sources for GM trucks.
Maybe you should talk to Manny. He might be able to come up with a partial kit, eliminating the (heavy) items you can pick up locally. (Like the knuckles and rotors.) He also knows the differences between the different years of donor vehicles.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] hubler 1 ton [message #147024 is a reply to message #146993] |
Wed, 19 October 2011 03:31 |
peter bailey
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Gene,
I have to agree with your comments 100%+ We are members of the GMCMI and at
this stage have only been able to attend one International rally (Pueblo)
and was very much enjoyed. I was a sponge at this rally trying to take in
every seminar that was held and unfortunatel my brain capacity went into
melt down and it would have been very usefull to have been given hand outs
so that I could refer back to what I was trying to take in during that time.
Obviously because our location (Australia) it is not possible for us to
attend rallies as much as we would like and we would love to get further
usefull information that is discussed at these rallies to make it easier to
upgrade and maintain our GMC.
So there should be acceptions for those unable to attend due to the obvious
and literature on the seminars should be availabe to those.
Peter Bailey
from Ozy (Aussie)
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From: "gene Fisher" <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] hubler 1 ton
> "down in the mouth statements" up about GMCMI.
not true, I would just would like change,
> I have the handout and will mail it to you if you would like.
not fair to the other 800 members...
the problem is, this is just excellent information, that is not secret, just
not distributed. In this case , I know of no other place where this was
discussed....
and I could not send it to answer the "excellent" question, of how do I do
this (one ton) my self.
If it were known what Patterson, lenzi, Emery, etc, were presenting at
these rallys, I think it would give an exponential rise to membership and
attendance.
the other side of this issue, is, there are folks on the inside that have
these handouts, while the owners who cannot make it to every rally will
never know.
Some of this info, has been held hostage for 15 years.
Now I think Bryon and the GMCES have done an excellent job by holding some
info for one year then making it public. (and i am a member)
I am a member of the GMCMI because I believe in the GMC , and the future of
the GMC, and I think there needs to be an International GMC group.
But when we get a question like this one, and the information is known, but
it is not collected , or released, I am really disappointed, and worried
about the future of the GMC community.
I thought I was very quiet this year, only pointing out when information was
being held Hostage....;>)
Bdub is the best, without him, there would be no us.....
thanks (I think)
gene
Emails don't give rise to attitude so I am worried some of the new folks get
> the wrong impression of you. Since I know you in person I think you are
> not
> always serious so I just let it pass. If I could get the stuff up and
> internet ready for you I would but that is not up to me.
> Thanks for all that you do for the rest of us.
> Dan
> --
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> Soft White LED Lighting
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> http://danandteri.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] hubler 1 ton [message #147027 is a reply to message #147024] |
Wed, 19 October 2011 05:26 |
Mr ERFisher
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I feel the pressure, just now, because, as you were able to read on the "TI
- RALLY" (search for this) , there are at least, 3 or 4 ,low cost, new
directions, that are currently in play, that will change the future for GMC
owners.
*
Life extending technologies*
- Version II - Hubler, One ton front ends
- Wireless air systems
- doing your own alignments
- self body work and paint
- in-tank fuel pumps
*
There are people that are currently ,changing, refining, developing,
lowering the cost, of these technologies as we speak*. Using these
directions, is cheaper than changing any one existing component ( like a
lower ball joint , or a leveling valve, or an air bag, ;>), and provides a
direction for our vendors to follow / lead.
In today's market, and with the age of our GMC's, it is imperative that we
make informed decisions that are not based on technologies that no longer
exist ( CV joints, bearings, pullers, air system repair, etc) and we need
to provide directions that will keep us on the road forever....
this is all done by providing information.
JWID
gene
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> we would love to get further
> usefull information that is discussed at these rallies to make it easier to
> upgrade and maintain our GMC.
> So there should be acceptions for those unable to attend due to the obvious
> and literature on the seminars should be availabe to those.
> Peter Bailey
> from Ozy (Aussie)
>
>
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“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
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| Re: [GMCnet] hubler 1 ton [message #147037 is a reply to message #147027] |
Wed, 19 October 2011 07:27 |
Jim Bounds
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I feel I must point out something in your persuit to keep the GMC on the road. There are many segments of the GMC community, if you are speaking for the enthusiast group-- the people who have the wearwithall to do things on their own looking at the GMC as a specialy antique car not only using the coach but also being "first person" involved in all aspects of the coach you are right on-- but there is another growing segment of the community that is outside of the club scene, outside of the enthusiast side of things and these are the people that will keep the GMC on the road because they are putting money into the coach to actually use them instead of purchasing a new RV. There are issues with adapting enthusiast technology then putting those things out of the road to be maintained by those other than the mechanically involved enthusiast.Â
Â
Many lurkers are here on this mailing list holding on to every word that's muttered here and I do not want them to think unless they transform their machine into a morphodite that it will be unusable as intended in the future. OK, now that I've probably ruffled many feathers, please let me explain so those listening will understand and those involved in this thread will also see the logic here. I am not disagreeing just to do so, please understand that maintaining a GMC to road use takes more than just doing things like this.
Â
Now, if YOU are going to be the wrench turner, the tech guru and parts supplier for all those unique systems you add to your coach-- that's one thing and in that we live in America and making something just the way you want is our right-- go for it man, do whatever you want but remember this and I deal with this on a daily basis---- YOU--YOU -- YOU will be the one to maintain, those things. OK, I need to expalin this and the best way is to give it in a scenario:
Â
You are driving along and everything is fine (these stories always start that way) and something shoots you down from your lofty height. Something or some system fails and just like that you are in need of repairs. You pull over and get safe and start trying to figure out what happened. For those that can follow their own diagnostic tree again, they go at it but for folks (and I tell you this is the normal) that know enough to check basic stuff, dip fluids and can motivate their machine they will need a support network to include a mechanic with tools, a parts store to get parts and someone to call and help with diagnosis. Each one of these assets must be found where the coach stops-- you need a mechanic who is willing to take on the job, a parts place who can access whatever part that's found to be bad and someone who can link the mechanic to the parts needed and help them out in the persuit of putting the coach back on the road.
Â
OK, lets take each one and their motivation:
Â
Mechanic-- his job is to identify a project he feels he has the expertice to perform, one that he feels he can repair and will go away and make him money. hey, thats why he is there doing stuff. If he does not think he can make the job stick or work properly if he does the things he thinks will make it go-- he will not get invloved because if he cannot make it work the first time he will loose. If you present him with a highly modified system, something that is not factory-- how does he know he can actually fix it? Will it go back together and work doing the things he knows? Was the system designed properly-- are there unexpected results stemming from the modification that will prevent him from completing the job successfully? Will I marry this machine and it have kids to the point I'll never get away from it alive and can I fix the thing at a proice that the customer will not sue me? These are the things he thinks and if the shop you go to
has a "service writer" heck, they may never even get the chance to do anything to the coach. A service writer's job is to only take in things they feel can be fixed properly and go away with them making a good profit. You have a hard time already getting past those folks with a 30 something motorhome much lesss one that has been highly modified. No, as for a mechanic on the road that you may have to rely upon, you have a much-- much-- much better chance to get help out there if you can truly say your GMC is a "big boned Toronado" and is set up exactly the way that car is in mpost every way. You need to be able to say I can get you (the mechanic) in touch with guru's and parts supplying companies that will help with any paryt you will need and expertice to fill in any gaps they may have in understanding and fixing the problem. That task is made much easier if the coach is pretty much original in drive train, suspension and brakes-- the main
things that could put you down on the road.
Â
Parts availability--Ok, yes, there are some parts that are reaching difficult to find status but thats why there are specialty dealers out there to supply those parts. You can no monger like the past be an island to yourself maintaining your coach. You cannot go to any local parts house like in the past and find most any part by yourself you will need and this problem is getting worse every day. I found out this week that "Freeze 12", the R12 substitution refrigerant is no longer available-- this is happening more and more as time goes on. This is EXACTLY why there are GMC specific dealers to help you with these parts. In need, we can supply you with a drive shaft, a reworked hub or knuckle. It can be on your door in 24 hours if you want and any descent mechanic will have the knowhow and confidence to put the part in and make the coach go again. If you arenot going to be the person to come up with the parts-- part numbers and processes to
put it in to include how to back out the modifications and make everything go back together without those "Murphy things" hang you up-- you need us, you need someone to help that mechanic, that parts house and that knowledge ppol you will need to get back out on the road with the least amount of bloodshead as possible.
Â
Knowledge and liability I left this one for last because I really need to explain this-- Along with modifications comes liability. This holds especially true with safety devices like brakes. If you modify those pieces parts you and the guy who made the part is assuming liability-- this may sound like a cop out to some but remember, we are talking about geting a broken motorhome on the road fixed and back running. If you have a 57 chevy with a Mustgang II front end, a 350 motor with a throttle body fuel injection system just figure you need to call a trailer to take the beast home because "Bubba" at Bubba's auto emporium will not touch that car-- no sir, there are too many things in there that could bite him and unless it's really something simple he would not get involved. if you turn your motorhome into a morphodite like that 57, you will not be welcome at too many on the road repair shops. Sorry but remember, their job is to make someÂ
money and if they can't see way to do that-- get you fixed and away without loosing the farm, they will not be involved and you will be screwed with a huge tow bill. These motorhomes atr too big to push, the tow bill will kill your wallet so you need to have it fixed where it drops. Do not modify your coach to the point no one will work on it you your fate will be sealed!
Â
I deal with this literally every day, I have folks call me from the side of the road. I need to help them, that's why they called. if I know the coach has original parts-- I can send parts, tell a mechainic what to do and in many cases direct them how to find the part and fix the coach right there. You throw in a throttle body fuel injection, a modified suspension and you are on your own!
Â
It all comes down to your personal abilities and the extent you want to be first person involved in your repair and maintenance. There are more people out there that need to rely upon others to help them with their coach. Few are they guys who want to and enjoy doing it all. Those guys are the minority in people who will keep the GMC on the road. Like it or not, most of us will need to rely on others to help us with the repair and maintenance of our coaches-- do not blow that by changing things beyond the ability to get help out there on the road-- hey and these machines were made and I hope you have them to take you places, not to be an object of your frustration in the back yard!
Â
The ELII suspension should be changes-- there are no supporting parts but the Power level and first EL systems are easily maintained. There are some systems (quad bag) that do make sense for servicing but there are many more things that if put into your coach will limit your abailaity to get fixed so please do not simply jump in and get all of this stuff unless you think through how you will maintain and get it fixed out there on that super slide!
Â
Jim Bounds
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From: gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] hubler 1 ton
IÂ feel the pressure, just now, because, as you were able to read on the "TI
- RALLY" (search for this) , there are at least, 3 or 4Â ,low cost, new
directions, that are currently in play, that will change the future for GMC
owners.
*
Life extending technologies*
- Version II - Hubler, One ton front ends
- Wireless air systems
- doing your own alignments
- self body work and paint
- in-tank fuel pumps
*
There are people that are currently ,changing, refining, developing,
lowering the cost, of these technologies as we speak*. Using these
directions, is cheaper than changing any one existing component ( like a
lower ball joint , or a leveling valve, or an air bag, ;>), and provides a
direction for our vendors to follow / lead.
In today's market, and with the age of our GMC's, it is imperative that we
make informed decisions that are not based on technologies that no longer
exist ( CV joints, bearings, pullers, air system repair, etc) and we need
to provide directions that will keep us on the road forever....
this is all done by providing information.
JWID
gene
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> we would love to get further
> usefull information that is discussed at these rallies to make it easier to
> upgrade and maintain our GMC.
> So there should be acceptions for those unable to attend due to the obvious
> and literature on the seminars should be availabe to those.
> Peter Bailey
> from Ozy (Aussie)
>
>
--
Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
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http://gmcmotorhome.info/
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| Re: [GMCnet] hubler 1 ton [message #147040 is a reply to message #147037] |
Wed, 19 October 2011 09:18 |
Mr ERFisher
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Yes take a look at your GMC
> There are issues with adapting enthusiast technology then putting those
> things out of the road to be maintained by those other than the mechanically
> involved enthusiast.
>
good point - IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
you need a mechanic who is willing to take on the job, a parts place who can
> access whatever part that's found to be bad and someone who can link the
> mechanic to the parts needed and help them out in the persuit of putting the
> coach back on the road.
>
another good point
only 4 or 5 shops in the nation can fix a GMC front end with
-special pullers,
- no new parts
-bad rebuilds
- etc
*but the One Ton can be fixed at any front end shop*
- 4 bolt new bearings (no puller required)
- new CV joints
-all new parts (any where in the US)
> Parts availability--Ok, yes, there are some parts that are reaching
> difficult to find status but thats why there are specialty dealers out there
> to supply those parts.
Absolutely,
*only*--- MannyT manufacters the parts for, and builds, a GMC tranny
when our vendors don't pay him, or are on COD, this makes it hard for him to
support our coaches.
Our vendors need to protect each other.
> This is EXACTLY why there are GMC specific dealers to help you with these
> parts.
Our vendors are our life-line ----- we need you all
>
> Along with modifications comes liability.
absolutely - with the loss of new parts ( like air bags, CV joints, seals) ,
we are forced in to modifications ( like quadrabags)
>
> The ELII suspension should be changes-- there are no supporting parts but
> the Power level and first EL systems are easily maintained.
yes, $800 for a level control valve rebuild/ replace is not going to make
it.
> There are some systems (quad bag) that do make sense for servicing
Yes, there are several systems that are changing, because the old systems
are not available
do not simply jump in and get all of this stuff unless you think through
how you will maintain and get it fixed out there on that super slide!
>
> Jim Bounds
> ------------------------
>
We love our vendors - all - buy from your GMC vendor,
but for our GMC's to survive, we need some change in the systems.
and
yes, If It Ain't Broke,Don't Fix It
gene
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] hubler 1 ton
>
> I feel the pressure, just now, because, as you were able to read on the
> "TI
> - RALLY" (search for this) , there are at least, 3 or 4 ,low cost, new
> directions, that are currently in play, that will change the future for GMC
> owners.
> *
> Life extending technologies*
> - Version II - Hubler, One ton front ends
> - Wireless air systems
> - doing your own alignments
> - self body work and paint
> - in-tank fuel pumps
> *
> There are people that are currently ,changing, refining, developing,
> lowering the cost, of these technologies as we speak*. Using these
> directions, is cheaper than changing any one existing component ( like a
> lower ball joint , or a leveling valve, or an air bag, ;>), and provides a
> direction for our vendors to follow / lead.
>
> In today's market, and with the age of our GMC's, it is imperative that we
> make informed decisions that are not based on technologies that no longer
> exist ( CV joints, bearings, pullers, air system repair, etc) and we need
> to provide directions that will keep us on the road forever....
>
> this is all done by providing information.
>
> JWID
> gene
>
> -------------------------------------
>
> > we would love to get further
> > usefull information that is discussed at these rallies to make it easier
> to
> > upgrade and maintain our GMC.
> > So there should be acceptions for those unable to attend due to the
> obvious
> > and literature on the seminars should be availabe to those.
> > Peter Bailey
> > from Ozy (Aussie)
> >
> >
>
> --
> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> -------
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
> Alternator Protection Cable
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
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| Re: [GMCnet] hubler 1 ton [message #147134 is a reply to message #147040] |
Wed, 19 October 2011 21:06 |
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USAussie
Messages: 15912
Registered: July 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Gene,
Where did you get this number?
> The ELII suspension should be changes-- there are no supporting parts but
> the Power level and first EL systems are easily maintained.
yes, $800 for a level control valve rebuild/ replace is not going to make
it.
Dave Lenzi rebuilds them for $66.00 (I have two for spares here in Australia)
http://www.bdub.net/lenzi/index.html#HeightControlValve
Jim K sells new ones for $91.95.
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/685
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of gene Fisher
Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2011 1:18 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] hubler 1 ton
Yes take a look at your GMC
> There are issues with adapting enthusiast technology then putting those
> things out of the road to be maintained by those other than the mechanically
> involved enthusiast.
>
good point - IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
you need a mechanic who is willing to take on the job, a parts place who can
> access whatever part that's found to be bad and someone who can link the
> mechanic to the parts needed and help them out in the persuit of putting the
> coach back on the road.
>
another good point
only 4 or 5 shops in the nation can fix a GMC front end with
-special pullers,
- no new parts
-bad rebuilds
- etc
*but the One Ton can be fixed at any front end shop*
- 4 bolt new bearings (no puller required)
- new CV joints
-all new parts (any where in the US)
> Parts availability--Ok, yes, there are some parts that are reaching
> difficult to find status but thats why there are specialty dealers out there
> to supply those parts.
Absolutely,
*only*--- MannyT manufacters the parts for, and builds, a GMC tranny
when our vendors don't pay him, or are on COD, this makes it hard for him to
support our coaches.
Our vendors need to protect each other.
> This is EXACTLY why there are GMC specific dealers to help you with these
> parts.
Our vendors are our life-line ----- we need you all
>
> Along with modifications comes liability.
absolutely - with the loss of new parts ( like air bags, CV joints, seals) ,
we are forced in to modifications ( like quadrabags)
>
> The ELII suspension should be changes-- there are no supporting parts but
> the Power level and first EL systems are easily maintained.
yes, $800 for a level control valve rebuild/ replace is not going to make
it.
> There are some systems (quad bag) that do make sense for servicing
Yes, there are several systems that are changing, because the old systems
are not available
do not simply jump in and get all of this stuff unless you think through
how you will maintain and get it fixed out there on that super slide!
>
> Jim Bounds
> ------------------------
>
We love our vendors - all - buy from your GMC vendor,
but for our GMC's to survive, we need some change in the systems.
and
yes, If It Ain't Broke,Don't Fix It
gene
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] hubler 1 ton
>
> I feel the pressure, just now, because, as you were able to read on the
> "TI
> - RALLY" (search for this) , there are at least, 3 or 4 ,low cost, new
> directions, that are currently in play, that will change the future for GMC
> owners.
> *
> Life extending technologies*
> - Version II - Hubler, One ton front ends
> - Wireless air systems
> - doing your own alignments
> - self body work and paint
> - in-tank fuel pumps
> *
> There are people that are currently ,changing, refining, developing,
> lowering the cost, of these technologies as we speak*. Using these
> directions, is cheaper than changing any one existing component ( like a
> lower ball joint , or a leveling valve, or an air bag, ;>), and provides a
> direction for our vendors to follow / lead.
>
> In today's market, and with the age of our GMC's, it is imperative that we
> make informed decisions that are not based on technologies that no longer
> exist ( CV joints, bearings, pullers, air system repair, etc) and we need
> to provide directions that will keep us on the road forever....
>
> this is all done by providing information.
>
> JWID
> gene
>
> -------------------------------------
>
> > we would love to get further
> > usefull information that is discussed at these rallies to make it easier
> to
> > upgrade and maintain our GMC.
> > So there should be acceptions for those unable to attend due to the
> obvious
> > and literature on the seminars should be availabe to those.
> > Peter Bailey
> > from Ozy (Aussie)
> >
> >
>
> --
> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> -------
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
> Alternator Protection Cable
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
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--
Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
"Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
-------
http://gmcmotorhome.info/
Alternator Protection Cable
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] hubler 1 ton [message #147199 is a reply to message #147187] |
Thu, 20 October 2011 11:49 |
Ken Henderson
Messages: 8726
Registered: March 2004
Location: Americus, GA
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Unless you add the GMCMI Parts Interchange List, the others may be
essentially worthless.
Ken H.
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I would like to demonstrate an acute grasp on the obvious and suggest that
> GMC owners that don't have the ability to make repairs
> themselves carry copies of the following documents in their coach;
>
> 1) Operators / Owners Manual
> 2) Maintenance Manual
> 3) Parts Book
>
>
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