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[GMCnet] Temporary fuel cell [message #142671] Wed, 07 September 2011 09:34 Go to next message
Robin Hood is currently offline  Robin Hood   United States
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How is it done, exactly? I mean, how does one set up an
I-wanna-die-in-flames gas tank sitting beside the driver that leads
to the engine? The Barn Queen is in danger of being overrun by a flood
and I'd like to get her moving.

Robin

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Re: [GMCnet] Temporary fuel cell [message #142673 is a reply to message #142671] Wed, 07 September 2011 09:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Keith V is currently offline  Keith V   United States
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a gas can on the floor in front of the passenger seat with a hose stuck in it leading to the fuel pump.

If the fuel pump is dead, duct tape the gas can to the roof (to get more pressure) and connect directly to the carb fuel line.

Prime the carb with a little gas in the vent tube.

Avoid sudden starts and stops and smoking!


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Re: [GMCnet] Temporary fuel cell [message #142675 is a reply to message #142671] Wed, 07 September 2011 09:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Go to your local Bass Pro or similar store and buy an outboard gas tank with
a squeeze bulb primer. If you are only moving the coach a short distance,
set the tank in front of the passenger seat, run the hose to the inlet side
of the mechanical fuel pump, squeeze the bulb primer a few times to fill the
carb, start it, and get out of harms way. Or if you have a buddy with one,
borrow his.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Robin Hood <loxley@gmail.com> wrote:

> How is it done, exactly? I mean, how does one set up an
> I-wanna-die-in-flames gas tank sitting beside the driver that leads
> to the engine? The Barn Queen is in danger of being overrun by a flood
> and I'd like to get her moving.
>
> Robin
>
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> 1968 Pontiac Catalina
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Re: [GMCnet] Temporary fuel cell [message #142677 is a reply to message #142671] Wed, 07 September 2011 10:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mike miller   United States
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Robin Hood wrote on Wed, 07 September 2011 07:34

How is it done, exactly? I mean, how does one set up an
I-wanna-die-in-flames gas tank sitting beside the driver that leads
to the engine? The Barn Queen is in danger of being overrun by a flood
and I'd like to get her moving.

I used a 6 gallon tank for a small outboard boat motor. (MUCH safer than an open gas can.) Picked it up at By-Mart for under $30.

You could just run the fuel hose to the mechanical fuel pump.

I ran a fuel line to a electric fuel pump. Having disconnected the house systems, I powered the pump from the house side of the diode isolator. The boost solenoid served as the prime system.

I drove it over 400 miles configured like this.

Pictures here:

<http://m000035.blogspot.com/2011/05/recovery-of-number-3-coach-part-two.html>

OBTW: it is still set up like this... but I only use it to move the coach around the yard.


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Re: [GMCnet] Temporary fuel cell [message #142687 is a reply to message #142677] Wed, 07 September 2011 11:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Robin Hood is currently offline  Robin Hood   United States
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Full disclosure: I'm at work, and called a come-to-you roving mechanic
and asked him to try to get her cranked. I can't miss work, and the
floodwaters are rising, so i bit the bullet and called a mechanic. He
says that despite not having run in 20 years, she cranked right up and
runs like a sewing machine off of his jerry rigged fuel cell.

Thanks for the photos and plans for the fuel cell. I hadn't thought of
running the line out the window.

She managed to drag herself forward and backward about foot despite
four flat tires in the rear, so the tranny works. Brake fluid is low
and will be replaced when the Move happens.

Need to aquire 16 more lugnuts, build jackstands, and take the wheels
to the shop to see if they can be patched to hold enough air to last
the trip to the storage place.


On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Robin Hood wrote on Wed, 07 September 2011 07:34
>> How is it done, exactly? I mean, how does one set up an
>> I-wanna-die-in-flames gas tank sitting beside the driver  that leads
>> to the engine? The Barn Queen is in danger of being overrun by a flood
>> and I'd like to get her moving.
>
> I used a 6 gallon tank for a small outboard boat motor. (MUCH safer than an open gas can.)  Picked it up at By-Mart for under $30.
>
> You could just run the fuel hose to the mechanical fuel pump.
>
> I ran a fuel line to a electric fuel pump.  Having disconnected the house systems, I powered the pump from the house side of the diode isolator.  The boost solenoid served as the prime system.
>
> I drove it over 400 miles configured like this.
>
> Pictures here:
>
> <http://m000035.blogspot.com/2011/05/recovery-of-number-3-coach-part-two.html>
>
> OBTW: it is still set up like this... but I only use it to move the coach around the yard.
> --
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Re: [GMCnet] Temporary fuel cell [message #142688 is a reply to message #142677] Wed, 07 September 2011 11:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Harry is currently offline  Harry   Canada
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Try to use a metal can.
I can tell a funny story about plastic gas cans, pouring gas on a brush fire and watching the flames come up the column of gas....

[Updated on: Wed, 07 September 2011 11:56]

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Re: [GMCnet] Temporary fuel cell [message #142697 is a reply to message #142687] Wed, 07 September 2011 13:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
k2gkk is currently offline  k2gkk   United States
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Lugnuts SHOULD be fairly easy to obtain unless you are located in bumluck, egypt! If you know the size/thread, I imagine a NAPA store or similar could help.

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> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 11:51:42 -0500
> From: loxley@gmail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Temporary fuel cell
>
> Full disclosure: I'm at work, and called a come-to-you roving mechanic
> and asked him to try to get her cranked. I can't miss work, and the
> floodwaters are rising, so i bit the bullet and called a mechanic. He
> says that despite not having run in 20 years, she cranked right up and
> runs like a sewing machine off of his jerry rigged fuel cell.
>
> Thanks for the photos and plans for the fuel cell. I hadn't thought of
> running the line out the window.
>
> She managed to drag herself forward and backward about foot despite
> four flat tires in the rear, so the tranny works. Brake fluid is low
> and will be replaced when the Move happens.
>
> Need to aquire 16 more lugnuts, build jackstands, and take the wheels
> to the shop to see if they can be patched to hold enough air to last
> the trip to the storage place.

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Re: [GMCnet] Temporary fuel cell [message #142699 is a reply to message #142687] Wed, 07 September 2011 14:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robin Hood wrote on Wed, 07 September 2011 09:51

...
Need to aquire 16 more lugnuts, build jackstands, and take the wheels
to the shop to see if they can be patched to hold enough air to last
the trip to the storage place. ...


Patching old tires doesn't sound like an economical idea.

I would "borrow" the wheels, tires and lug nuts from your other coach. It will be cheaper and you'll have much less problems along the road. I doubt it will be MUCH more work.

Take enough blocks of wood to hold the boogies up on the queen. Remove at least two tires. Take these two tires to your Royale and put them on the front. Put the rear on blocks and take all six of your good tires and wheels (and lug nuts) and put them on the Queen. When You get your queen to the lot, swap the tires back.

For future reference: Two or three coned lug nuts, per wheel, can be used to center you non-lug centered wheels on your hubs. Once you get the other lugs tightened, you COULD take them off and put the correct lug nuts on.


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Re: [GMCnet] Temporary fuel cell [message #142701 is a reply to message #142671] Wed, 07 September 2011 14:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robin, an outboard boat motor tank works much better for a temporary tank than a gas can, but find a single line one instead of a dual-line one. The dual line vents thru the 2nd hose that you don't need. The single line has a closeable vent on the cap.Also the priming bulb on the line makes starting a breeze. Just run a long piece of fuel line to the pump, keeping it away from anything hot or rotating. It is also much safer, as well.
.

Richard & Carol Brown

1974 Eleganza SE

"DILLIGAF"

Lindale, Tx. 75771

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Re: [GMCnet] Temporary fuel cell [message #142721 is a reply to message #142687] Wed, 07 September 2011 20:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robin,

You could buy inner tubes for the old tires and not have to worry about them going flat once you get them to the storage place.

http://www.1stoptires.com/inner_tubes/light_truck_tubes.html

As you can see 8.00/8.75-16.5 TR-15 are only $18.99 each.

Regards,
Rob M.


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From: Robin Hood

Need to aquire 16 more lugnuts, build jackstands, and take the wheels
to the shop to see if they can be patched to hold enough air to last
the trip to the storage place.

Robin

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Re: [GMCnet] Temporary fuel cell [message #142778 is a reply to message #142671] Thu, 08 September 2011 07:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The last one I did this to I simply put a gas can on the front bumper and held it there with a couple of bungee cords. Then I ran a hose from it down to the input side of the mechanical pump and we were done.

If you are going a long way then put a small piece of plywood between the bumper and the gas can to prevent wearing a hole in the bottom of the can.


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Re: [GMCnet] Temporary fuel cell [message #142795 is a reply to message #142778] Thu, 08 September 2011 10:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken Burton wrote on Thu, 08 September 2011 05:10

The last one I did this to I simply put a gas can on the front bumper and held it there with a couple of bungee cords. ...


A new type of energy absorbing bumper -- kind of like "reactive armor". Twisted Evil


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Re: [GMCnet] Temporary fuel cell [message #143131 is a reply to message #142671] Mon, 12 September 2011 18:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robin Hood wrote on Wed, 07 September 2011 07:34

... The Barn Queen is in danger of being overrun by a flood
and I'd like to get her moving.


Robin,

Did you get The Queen moved?

Just wondering. I would be a shame to have pulled it out of the barn only to have it flooded.


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Re: [GMCnet] Temporary fuel cell [message #143134 is a reply to message #143131] Mon, 12 September 2011 18:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The flood subsided about eight feet below the elevation of the Queen.
I got brand new tires on the rear end. I'm now awaiting some lugnuts
from fellow GMCer Wayne Lawrence so that I'll have a full set. If I'm
lucky I can move her this weekend to my storage slot.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Robin,
>
> Did you get The Queen moved?
>
> Just wondering.  I would be a shame to have pulled it out of the barn only to have it flooded.
> --

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Re: [GMCnet] Temporary fuel cell [message #143139 is a reply to message #143134] Mon, 12 September 2011 19:34 Go to previous message
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On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Robin Hood <loxley@gmail.com> wrote:
> The flood subsided about eight feet below the elevation of the Queen.
> I got brand new tires on the rear end. I'm now awaiting some lugnuts
> from fellow GMCer Wayne Lawrence so that I'll have a full set. If I'm
> lucky I can move her this weekend to my storage slot.
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>
>> Robin,
>>
>> Did you get The Queen moved?
>>
>> Just wondering.  I would be a shame to have pulled it out of the barn only to have it flooded.
>> --
>
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