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| coach as hurricane shelter [message #141074] |
Fri, 26 August 2011 12:15  |
hertfordnc
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OK, it's not a dumb question.
This will be my third direct from Cat 2 storm and I've responded to the aftermath of many other disasters.
My house is surrounded by tall pines. Several of which are leaning in the direction of the house.
He have a hotel booked down the road for tomorrow night but we are debating a lot of variables related to staying here to mitigate damage as it happens and I am considering the coach as a shelter.
It happens to be out of harms way of the trees.
I really think it will be fine but I'd like input as to how silly an idea this is-- on a scale of one to ten??
Dave & Ellen Silva
Hertford, NC
76 Birchaven, 1-ton and other stuff
Currently planning the Great american Road Trip Summer 2021
It's gonna take a lot of Adderall to get this thing right.
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| Re: [GMCnet] coach as hurricane shelter [message #141076 is a reply to message #141074] |
Fri, 26 August 2011 12:32  |
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ljdavick
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My coach is part of my disaster preparedness. If a big earthquake were to make our home uninhabitable, we could certainly drive the coach to a place with services. Earthquake damage is the only major risk here. We have no hurricanes, flooding, ice storms, or blizzards.
The coach could be a delightful sanctuary. Much better than a FEMA trailer!
Larry Davick
On Aug 26, 2011, at 10:15 AM, dave silva <admin@oldrv.net> wrote:
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> OK, it's not a dumb question.
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> This will be my third direct from Cat 2 storm and I've responded to the aftermath of many other disasters.
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> My house is surrounded by tall pines. Several of which are leaning in the direction of the house.
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> He have a hotel booked down the road for tomorrow night but we are debating a lot of variables related to staying here to mitigate damage as it happens and I am considering the coach as a shelter.
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> It happens to be out of harms way of the trees.
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> I really think it will be fine but I'd like input as to how silly an idea this is-- on a scale of one to ten??
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> --
> Dave & Ellen Silva
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| Re: coach as hurricane shelter [message #141079 is a reply to message #141074] |
Fri, 26 August 2011 12:50 |
LYNN L
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Living here on the Gulf coast is one reason that I will never sell my GMC. I use it to go inland and escape the storms. Having a generator to power the icebox and tv is invaluable when you come home. I stayed in mine with 80 MPH winds in a state park once. The front of the rv was facing the lake and catching the wind head on. It wasn"t very bad with little rocking as I had jacks under the rear bogies. Don"t think I want to try that at 130 mph or greater winds unless it were the only option.. Keep the nose into the wind as it is more arodynamic.
Lynn L
76 Eleganza Cad.500
Pearland TX.
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| Re: [GMCnet] coach as hurricane shelter [message #141080 is a reply to message #141078] |
Fri, 26 August 2011 12:51 |
k2gkk
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Hurricanes in MO; NO!
Tornadoes in MO: YES!
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> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:43:37 -0700
> From: makeminetea@yahoo.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] coach as hurricane shelter
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> You could drive it to Missouri. I know a place you can park it. No hurricanes here!
> Marsha75 Eleganza II
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> --- On Fri, 8/26/11, dave silva <admin@oldrv.net> wrote:
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> From: dave silva <admin@oldrv.net>
> Subject: [GMCnet] coach as hurricane shelter
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Friday, August 26, 2011, 12:15 PM
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> OK, it's not a dumb question.
>
> This will be my third direct from Cat 2 storm and I've responded to the aftermath of many other disasters.
>
> My house is surrounded by tall pines. Several of which are leaning in the direction of the house.
>
> He have a hotel booked down the road for tomorrow night but we are debating a lot of variables related to staying here to mitigate damage as it happens and I am considering the coach as a shelter.
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> It happens to be out of harms way of the trees.
>
> I really think it will be fine but I'd like input as to how silly an idea this is-- on a scale of one to ten??
>
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> --
> Dave & Ellen Silva
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> Check out the website:
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> http://www.oldrv.net
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| Re: coach as hurricane shelter [message #141081 is a reply to message #141074] |
Fri, 26 August 2011 12:57 |
jknezek
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Pretty awful idea to think of the coach as a shelter DURING the storm. I lived through more than a few hurricanes in FL and I can tell you that flying debris is an issue. That shell and all those pretty windows are a pretty awful deterent to nails, screws, rocks, shingles, plywood, lawn furniture, street signs and whatever else wasn't properly secured in your neighborhood. Shrapnel travelling at 50-100 mph is not going to find a GMC much of a barrier at all. Not to mention any medium sized branch can do a lot more damage to your coach roof than it will to your house roof.
I do believe the coach has a role to play as a hurricane shelter. 1) You can use it to get the heck out of dodge, a very good idea anywhere but FL which, by its vary long, thin nature makes it almost impossible to get out of a good sized storm's cone without driving more than 8 hours, and 2) You can use it to live in while doing property cleanup if your house is damaged or your power is out. Nothing like firing up the genny and getting a fridge and cold AC.
But staying in a coach is like staying in a mobile home during the storm. A very, very bad idea.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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| Re: coach as hurricane shelter [message #141085 is a reply to message #141074] |
Fri, 26 August 2011 13:19 |
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jaholland
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| hertfordnc wrote on Fri, 26 August 2011 12:15 |
OK, it's not a dumb question.
This will be my third direct from Cat 2 storm and I've responded to the aftermath of many other disasters.
My house is surrounded by tall pines. Several of which are leaning in the direction of the house.
He have a hotel booked down the road for tomorrow night but we are debating a lot of variables related to
staying here to mitigate damage as it happens and I am considering the coach as a shelter.
It happens to be out of harms way of the trees.
I really think it will be fine but I'd like input as to how silly an idea this is
-- on a scale of one to ten??
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Dave;
Out house was on the Catawba River near Charlotte when HUGO Hit and we lost 17 trees
But the real damage came 2 weeks later when er had 4 feet of water inside due to
DUKE POWER's Failure to open up flood gates on the Dams in time for rain runoff ~
~ Joe ~
{Charlotte is 200 + Miles from The Coast}
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'sweet home alebamy'
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| Re: [GMCnet] coach as hurricane shelter [message #141087 is a reply to message #141079] |
Fri, 26 August 2011 13:40 |
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Good logic. Point in the predominant wind direction. Get the rear of the
frame on jacks, not high, just to provide stability. Do something to
secure the awning so it stays snug to the coach. However, if the winds
sustained above 90 make another plan. Just my opinion.
Byron
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From: LYNN LAYCOCK <lynn_sr@msn.com>
Organization: GMCnet
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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 12:50:38 -0500
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] coach as hurricane shelter
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>Living here on the Gulf coast is one reason that I will never sell my
>GMC. I use it to go inland and escape the storms. Having a generator to
>power the icebox and tv is invaluable when you come home. I stayed in
>mine with 80 MPH winds in a state park once. The front of the rv was
>facing the lake and catching the wind head on. It wasn"t very bad with
>little rocking as I had jacks under the rear bogies. Don"t think I want
>to try that at 130 mph or greater winds unless it were the only option..
>Keep the nose into the wind as it is more arodynamic.
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| Re: [GMCnet] coach as hurricane shelter [message #141088 is a reply to message #141087] |
Fri, 26 August 2011 13:54 |
gmcrv1
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I would face the coach in a northwest position regardless of the wind. My
GMC sustained over $5,000 worth of damage this past April from the storms
that rolled through the southwest corner of Tennessee. Mostly roof damage,
Oh, and while it's pointed to the northeast - drive it that way until you
are out of harms way!
I have seen the military airbases clear out in no time at all. I would bet
every airfield on the east coast is "plane free" hours before the storm
hits.
I had a friend who was in the Navy in Pennsicola - he would take kiss his
wife goodbye and leave her so he could get his A6 inland. I'll never forget
how she felt the first time he did do that.
Kind of like "What about me?" - he always replied - you are replaceable.
They divorced years later...
Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Byron Songer
<bsonger@songerconsulting.net>wrote:
> Good logic. Point in the predominant wind direction. Get the rear of the
> frame on jacks, not high, just to provide stability. Do something to
> secure the awning so it stays snug to the coach. However, if the winds
> sustained above 90 make another plan. Just my opinion.
>
> Byron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LYNN LAYCOCK <lynn_sr@msn.com>
> Organization: GMCnet
> Reply-To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 12:50:38 -0500
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] coach as hurricane shelter
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> >Living here on the Gulf coast is one reason that I will never sell my
> >GMC. I use it to go inland and escape the storms. Having a generator to
> >power the icebox and tv is invaluable when you come home. I stayed in
> >mine with 80 MPH winds in a state park once. The front of the rv was
> >facing the lake and catching the wind head on. It wasn"t very bad with
> >little rocking as I had jacks under the rear bogies. Don"t think I want
> >to try that at 130 mph or greater winds unless it were the only option..
> >Keep the nose into the wind as it is more arodynamic.
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| Re: [GMCnet] coach as hurricane shelter [message #141090 is a reply to message #141087] |
Fri, 26 August 2011 14:05 |
C Boyd
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| Byron Songer wrote on Fri, 26 August 2011 14:40 |
Good logic. Point in the predominant wind direction. Get the rear of the
frame on jacks, not high, just to provide stability. Do something to
secure the awning so it stays snug to the coach. However, if the winds
sustained above 90 make another plan. Just my opinion.
Byron
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From: LYNN LAYCOCK <lynn_sr@msn.com>
Organization: GMCnet
Reply-To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 12:50:38 -0500
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] coach as hurricane shelter
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>Living here on the Gulf coast is one reason that I will never sell my
>GMC. I use it to go inland and escape the storms. Having a generator to
>power the icebox and tv is invaluable when you come home. I stayed in
>mine with 80 MPH winds in a state park once. The front of the rv was
>facing the lake and catching the wind head on. It wasn"t very bad with
>little rocking as I had jacks under the rear bogies. Don"t think I want
>to try that at 130 mph or greater winds unless it were the only option..
>Keep the nose into the wind as it is more arodynamic.
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Thing about a hurricane with the eye off the coast the storm front is what hits shore. As the storm moves in and out of the area the wind changes direction, east to west to start with then rotates around as the eye passes and changes to west to east.
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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| Re: [GMCnet] coach as hurricane shelter [message #141097 is a reply to message #141088] |
Fri, 26 August 2011 15:01 |
Ken Henderson
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The military usually evaucates at the first indication of an approaching
hurricane. Not so when I was stationed at McCoy AFB, Orlando, FL, in 1960.
Air Defense command was conducting a exercise (mock battle for those without
USAF experience) when hurricane Donna approached Florida from the southwest.
McCoy was a SAC base and evacuated their B-47's and aircraft early. But
our F-89J outfit was a tenant and we were committed to the exercise so could
not evacuate. Base operations kept calling us wanting to know if they could
take the runway marker signs, etc., down. "No -- we're about to go flying;
we'll need those markers to tell us whether we're meeting our takeoff
criteria..."
We continued to lounge about on the lawn outside our operations office until
it got too dangerous with the blowing trash cans, etc., until our higher
headquarters at Ft. Lee, VA finally released us from our commitment to the
exercise, by which time the winds were twice our take off limits.
Maintenance put tie down ropes on the F-89's and we left to care for our
families and homes.
I lived a mile from the a base. Our neighborhood of small concrete block
homes was not too badly damage by one of the worst hurricanes to ever hit
Orlando, but we were without power for over a week. I tapped into the
installed, but not connected, city water line to provide us and our
neighbors with water while our well pumps were inoperative,
Our F-89's sustained no damage,
Ken H.
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Tom Eckert wrote
...I have seen the military airbases clear out in no time at all. I would
bet every airfield on the east coast is "plane free" hours before the
storm hits...
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> I had a friend who was in the Navy in Pennsicola - he would take kiss
> his wife goodbye and leave her so he could get his A6 inland. I'll never
> forget how she felt the first time he did do that.
>
> Kind of like "What about me?" - he always replied - you are replaceable.
> They divorced years later...
>
>
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| Re: coach as hurricane shelter [message #141098 is a reply to message #141074] |
Fri, 26 August 2011 15:08 |
Chr$
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YES, if you use it to leave the area. With the amount of people in the path, I'd be am-scrayed by now, in my "Escape Pod."
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
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| Re: [GMCnet] coach as hurricane shelter [message #141120 is a reply to message #141078] |
Fri, 26 August 2011 18:21 |
jhbridges
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Yeah, and he can stop on the way in the Bootheel - right atop the New Madrid fault.
--johnny
--- On Fri, 8/26/11, Marsha <makeminetea@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Marsha <makeminetea@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] coach as hurricane shelter
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Friday, August 26, 2011, 5:43 PM
You could drive it to Missouri. I know a place you can park it. No hurricanes here!
Marsha75 Eleganza II
--- On Fri, 8/26/11, dave silva <admin@oldrv.net> wrote:
From: dave silva <admin@oldrv.net>
Subject: [GMCnet] coach as hurricane shelter
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Friday, August 26, 2011, 12:15 PM
OK, it's not a dumb question.
This will be my third direct from Cat 2 storm and I've responded to the aftermath of many other disasters.
My house is surrounded by tall pines. Several of which are leaning in the direction of the house.
He have a hotel booked down the road for tomorrow night but we are debating a lot of variables related to staying here to mitigate damage as it happens and I am considering the coach as a shelter.
It happens to be out of harms way of the trees.
I really think it will be fine but I'd like input as to how silly an idea this is-- on a scale of one to ten??
--
Dave & Ellen Silva
Check out the website:
http://www.oldrv.net
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| Re: coach as hurricane shelter [message #141122 is a reply to message #141074] |
Fri, 26 August 2011 18:48 |
Larry C
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GMC coach as Shelter
The GMC coach is great for camping, shelter from the "normal" weather but 85 mph or more winds??? you need to help it a bit.
We just came out of a storm with 65mph winds, trees came down every where and power outages, I was out for a week.
The skin of the GMC is thin, the aluminum bottom half MIGHT hold up to something hitting it at 85 mph but the top half wont, and think of all that glass.
Now you would really need a shelter that was storm proof for the GMC as well as yourself. A lean too or garage made of 2x6's, 1" plywood on both sides of the 2x6". you are not protecting from the wind, the GMC would pretty much handle that, you are protecting your self from the debri and 2x4's that are coming your way at 85mph and more.
I would vote that the GMC itself is not prepared to protect your life.
my 2.5 cents
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| Re: [GMCnet] coach as hurricane shelter [message #141124 is a reply to message #141122] |
Fri, 26 August 2011 18:50 |
James Hupy
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We could always outfit our coaches like the one in Stripes. What the heck,
it works in the movies.<Grin>
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Larry C <slawrence111@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> GMC coach as Shelter
>
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> The GMC coach is great for camping, shelter from the "normal" weather but
> 85 mph or more winds??? you need to help it a bit.
>
> We just came out of a storm with 65mph winds, trees came down every where
> and power outages, I was out for a week.
>
> The skin of the GMC is thin, the aluminum bottom half MIGHT hold up to
> something hitting it at 85 mph but the top half wont, and think of all that
> glass.
>
> Now you would really need a shelter that was storm proof for the GMC as
> well as yourself. A lean too or garage made of 2x6's, 1" plywood on both
> sides of the 2x6". you are not protecting from the wind, the GMC would
> pretty much handle that, you are protecting your self from the debri and
> 2x4's that are coming your way at 85mph and more.
>
> I would vote that the GMC itself is not prepared to protect your life.
>
>
> my 2.5 cents
> --
> Gatsbys' CRUISER :d 08-18-04
> 74 GLACIER X, 260/455-APC-4 Bagg'r
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| Re: [GMCnet] coach as hurricane shelter [message #141126 is a reply to message #141122] |
Fri, 26 August 2011 19:03 |
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You had best be thinking about a shelter that starts with ICFs (Insulating
Concrete Forms) where 4 inches or more of concrete is poured between two
inch layers of closed cell styrofoam with rebar rods holding it all together.
Then you would need to have either NO windows, or windows that have 3/16"
steel shutters that can be closed over the window openings. The roof/ceiling
should be built in the same way and should have at least 6" of concrete with
rebar that is tied to the rebar in the walls.
Then you need to figure out a suitably safe door to get your coach in and out
without the storm caving it in!
This is what you need to survive 125 mph and greater winds and the projectiles
that will be thrown around.
Getting underground but remaining well above the possible flooding water levels
is another important consideration!
Gaining as much possible horizontal distance at a 90 degree angle is best!
These are things you learn about safety at the buckle of the tornado belt!
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: slawrence111@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:48:04 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] coach as hurricane shelter
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>
> GMC coach as Shelter
>
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> The GMC coach is great for camping, shelter from the "normal" weather but 85 mph or more winds??? you need to help it a bit.
>
> We just came out of a storm with 65mph winds, trees came down every where and power outages, I was out for a week.
>
> The skin of the GMC is thin, the aluminum bottom half MIGHT hold up to something hitting it at 85 mph but the top half wont, and think of all that glass.
>
> Now you would really need a shelter that was storm proof for the GMC as well as yourself. A lean too or garage made of 2x6's, 1" plywood on both sides of the 2x6". you are not protecting from the wind, the GMC would pretty much handle that, you are protecting your self from the debri and 2x4's that are coming your way at 85mph and more.
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> I would vote that the GMC itself is not prepared to protect your life.
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> my 2.5 cents
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