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Fri, 22 July 2011 15:13  |
Ray Erspamer
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Well, our vacation isn't off to a good start....50 miles out just north of Fond du Lac, I think we lost our timing chain. Coach was running like crap, pulled over and heard lots of noise, now it won't even fire. Called AAA, need to find a good repair facility. Our # is 414-745-3188.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135569 is a reply to message #135568] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 15:37  |
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| Ray Erspamer wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 15:13 |
Well, our vacation isn't off to a good start....50 miles out just north of Fond du Lac, I think we lost our timing chain. Coach was running like crap, pulled over and heard lots of noise, now it won't even fire. Called AAA, need to find a good repair facility. Our # is 414-745-3188.
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Ray,
Pull a valve cover and watch the valve train while turning over. If nothing moves, the timing chain sprocket (usually in that vintage motor a fiber gear) is stripped. Noise from a timing chain before it strips the gear is not the norm. When they finally strip, it happens suddenly with no warning. What other symptoms?
Larry 
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135571 is a reply to message #135569] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 15:57 |
Ray Erspamer
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Ran perfect last use 3 wks ago, left home had severe missing under load. Got worse, pulled over and heard bad grinding and engine died. Turns over like mad and smooth with the key, but will not fire.
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Ray Erspamer wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 15:13
> Well, our vacation isn't off to a good start....50 miles out just north of Fond du Lac, I think we lost our timing chain. Coach was running like crap, pulled over and heard lots of noise, now it won't even fire. Called AAA, need to find a good repair facility. Our # is 414-745-3188.
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Pull a valve cover and watch the valve train while turning over. If nothing moves, the timing chain sprocket (usually in that vintage motor a fiber gear) is stripped. Noise from a timing chain before it strips the gear is not the norm. When they finally strip, it happens suddenly with no warning. What other symptoms?
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Larry :)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135572 is a reply to message #135571] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 16:25 |
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Ran perfect last use 3 wks ago, left home had severe missing under load. Got worse, pulled over and heard bad grinding and engine died. Turns over like mad and smooth with the key, but will not fire.
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It's common for engines to jump time (chain slip one sprocket)when the engine is turned off. Problem appears when it is started.
BTW another way to check for a broken timing gear is to take the distributor cap off and check the rotor for rotation when the engine is turned over. If it doesn't turn, that's a good clue you have timing chain issues.
John Sharpe
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135573 is a reply to message #135572] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 16:28 |
Ray Erspamer
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Now being towed home.
I pulled the dist cap and turned the key, dist rotor turned when engine was cranking.
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> Ran perfect last use 3 wks ago, left home had severe missing under load. Got worse, pulled over and heard bad grinding and engine died. Turns over like mad and smooth with the key, but will not fire.
It's common for engines to jump time (chain slip one sprocket)when the engine is turned off. Problem appears when it is started.
BTW another way to check for a broken timing gear is to take the distributor cap off and check the rotor for rotation when the engine is turned over. If it doesn't turn, that's a good clue you have timing chain issues.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135575 is a reply to message #135573] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 16:33 |
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| Ray Erspamer wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 16:28 |
Now being towed home.
I pulled the dist cap and turned the key, dist rotor turned when engine was cranking.
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Let us know when you get home and what you find -- still time to salvage the vacation.
Dennis
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135594 is a reply to message #135575] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 17:47 |
Ray Erspamer
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Just got home, checked for spark, lots of it. I'll now get the engine at TDC
and see where the dist is in relationship to it. I'm convinced it's the timing
chain, but will see.
I will keep everyone posted.
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP!
Ray Erspamer wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 16:28
> Now being towed home.
> I pulled the dist cap and turned the key, dist rotor turned when engine was
>cranking.
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Let us know when you get home and what you find -- still time to salvage the
vacation.
Dennis
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73 Painted Desert 230
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135595 is a reply to message #135571] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 17:52 |
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Is that important wiring running into the distributor from below in place
firmly? When it works loose there's no juice. Do you smell fuel when
turning over with the key?
Byron
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP!
>Ran perfect last use 3 wks ago, left home had severe missing under load.
>Got worse, pulled over and heard bad grinding and engine died. Turns
>over like mad and smooth with the key, but will not fire.
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>Ray Erspamer wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 15:13
>> Well, our vacation isn't off to a good start....50 miles out just north
>>of Fond du Lac, I think we lost our timing chain. Coach was running
>>like crap, pulled over and heard lots of noise, now it won't even fire.
>>Called AAA, need to find a good repair facility. Our # is 414-745-3188.
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>Ray,
>Pull a valve cover and watch the valve train while turning over. If
>nothing moves, the timing chain sprocket (usually in that vintage motor a
>fiber gear) is stripped. Noise from a timing chain before it strips the
>gear is not the norm. When they finally strip, it happens suddenly with
>no warning. What other symptoms?
>--
>Larry :)
>78 Royale w/500 Caddy
>Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135597 is a reply to message #135594] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 17:54 |
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Again, if you don't smell fuel when turning it over (and everything
rotates) you could have a blocked fuel line somewhere. If it kicked and
bucked before it stopped you have a clue. If it just made noise, that
something else. I agree with John, when the timing chain goes it goes all
at once. Your riding along and, all of a sudden, you have no motor and no
power anything -- just coasting.
Byron
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Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:47:30 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP!
>Just got home, checked for spark, lots of it. I'll now get the engine at
>TDC
>and see where the dist is in relationship to it. I'm convinced it's the
>timing
>chain, but will see.
>
>I will keep everyone posted.
>
> Ray
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>
>Ray & Lisa Erspamer
>78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
>Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
>Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
>Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
>414-745-3188
>Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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>________________________________
>From: Dennis Sexton <dennisfsexton@aol.com>
>To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>Sent: Fri, July 22, 2011 4:33:24 PM
>Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP!
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>Ray Erspamer wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 16:28
>> Now being towed home.
>> I pulled the dist cap and turned the key, dist rotor turned when
>>engine was
>>cranking.
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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>Let us know when you get home and what you find -- still time to salvage
>the
>vacation.
>
>
>Dennis
>--
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>73 Painted Desert 230
>Germantown, TN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135599 is a reply to message #135594] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 18:16 |
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Ray,
Your comment about the starter motor running very fast leads me to think it's your timing chain too.
Larry Davick
Fremont, California
The Mystery Machine
'76 (ish) Palm Beach
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP!
Just got home, checked for spark, lots of it. I'll now get the engine at TDC
and see where the dist is in relationship to it. I'm convinced it's the timing
chain, but will see.
I will keep everyone posted.
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135602 is a reply to message #135597] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 19:10 |
Ray Erspamer
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Prognosis so far, dist rotor is at #1 location when engine timing mark is at
TDC. NO FUEL to carb. Pulled fuel pump, working fine, no fuel in line to
fuel pump. Worked my way back, electric aux pump running when switch is on, no
fuel coming out. Hose coming out of Main?Aux tank valve, no fuel, I blew in it
and fuel ran out like crazy, flipped switch to Aux tank, blew in the hose, fuel
came out well. I'm now thinking I have debris in my fuel tanks plugging the
socks, with blowing into them and cleaning them, if it starts, should I chance
the trip ??? If I need to drop the tanks, this vacation is shot.
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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Sent: Fri, July 22, 2011 5:54:45 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP!
Again, if you don't smell fuel when turning it over (and everything
rotates) you could have a blocked fuel line somewhere. If it kicked and
bucked before it stopped you have a clue. If it just made noise, that
something else. I agree with John, when the timing chain goes it goes all
at once. Your riding along and, all of a sudden, you have no motor and no
power anything -- just coasting.
Byron
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From: Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net>
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Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:47:30 -0700 (PDT)
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP!
>Just got home, checked for spark, lots of it. I'll now get the engine at
>TDC
>and see where the dist is in relationship to it. I'm convinced it's the
>timing
>chain, but will see.
>
>I will keep everyone posted.
>
> Ray
>
>
>Ray & Lisa Erspamer
>78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
>Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
>Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
>Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
>414-745-3188
>Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
>
>
>
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>________________________________
>From: Dennis Sexton <dennisfsexton@aol.com>
>To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>Sent: Fri, July 22, 2011 4:33:24 PM
>Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP!
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>Ray Erspamer wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 16:28
>> Now being towed home.
>> I pulled the dist cap and turned the key, dist rotor turned when
>>engine was
>>cranking.
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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>
>Let us know when you get home and what you find -- still time to salvage
>the
>vacation.
>
>
>Dennis
>--
>Dennis S
>73 Painted Desert 230
>Germantown, TN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135604 is a reply to message #135602] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 19:22 |
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Ray,
You're not going to know how much surface area of the of the socks will be
"cleaned" when you blow through air through them.
If you could assure yourself that blowing through the lines with high
pressure air would blow the socks off (no humor intended) and install a
large metal housed filter between the tank outlet and electric fuel pump
inlet that was easy to access it MIGHT be worth the risk.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Prognosis so far, dist rotor is at #1 location when engine timing mark is at
TDC. NO FUEL to carb. Pulled fuel pump, working fine, no fuel in line to
fuel pump. Worked my way back, electric aux pump running when switch is on,
no
fuel coming out. Hose coming out of Main?Aux tank valve, no fuel, I blew in
it
and fuel ran out like crazy, flipped switch to Aux tank, blew in the hose,
fuel
came out well. I'm now thinking I have debris in my fuel tanks plugging
the
socks, with blowing into them and cleaning them, if it starts, should I
chance
the trip ??? If I need to drop the tanks, this vacation is shot.
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: Byron Songer <bsonger@songerconsulting.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Fri, July 22, 2011 5:54:45 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP!
Again, if you don't smell fuel when turning it over (and everything
rotates) you could have a blocked fuel line somewhere. If it kicked and
bucked before it stopped you have a clue. If it just made noise, that
something else. I agree with John, when the timing chain goes it goes all
at once. Your riding along and, all of a sudden, you have no motor and no
power anything -- just coasting.
Byron
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From: Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net>
Reply-To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:47:30 -0700 (PDT)
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP!
>Just got home, checked for spark, lots of it. I'll now get the engine at
>TDC
>and see where the dist is in relationship to it. I'm convinced it's the
>timing
>chain, but will see.
>
>I will keep everyone posted.
>
> Ray
>
>
>Ray & Lisa Erspamer
>78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
>Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
>Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
>Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
>414-745-3188
>Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Dennis Sexton <dennisfsexton@aol.com>
>To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>Sent: Fri, July 22, 2011 4:33:24 PM
>Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP!
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>Ray Erspamer wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 16:28
>> Now being towed home.
>> I pulled the dist cap and turned the key, dist rotor turned when
>>engine was
>>cranking.
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
>Let us know when you get home and what you find -- still time to salvage
>the
>vacation.
>
>
>Dennis
>--
>Dennis S
>73 Painted Desert 230
>Germantown, TN
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Rob M. (USAussie)
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'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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When your sure that's all the problem, wouldn't switching tanks with maybe a roadside blowback be worth the risk to go on and go?
Rob why " a large metal" filter?
wouldn't a "see in" clear palstic work?
[quote and install a
large metal housed filter between the tank outlet and electric fuel pump
Don Adams Dallas, TX
'76 26' Glenbrook, '90 Sidekick
rebuilt by R Archer, powered by J Bounds, Koba
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135610 is a reply to message #135568] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 19:52 |
sgltrac
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See through plastic ones can be a fire hazard(just what I've read on this forum)
Sully
77 royale
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When your sure that's all the problem, wouldn't switching tanks with maybe a roadside blowback be worth the risk to go on and go?
Rob why " a large metal" filter?
wouldn't a "see in" clear palstic work?
[quote and install a
large metal housed filter between the tank outlet and electric fuel pump
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67 Datsun 2000
78 Suzuki 400
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135611 is a reply to message #135568] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 19:54 |
Richard Brown
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Sounds like it jumped timing. Dollars to donuts that if you line up the timing mark the rotor won't be where it should be. Once had a Buick 455 do what you described. Look for excessive slack in the timing chain. There may or may not be teeth missing on the upper sprocket. When it happened to me there were no missing teeth.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135612 is a reply to message #135610] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 20:04 |
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jaholland
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Remove your fuel cap
Disconect the input line to your fuel pump ~
Apply air pressure back thru your fuel socks
Install a large filter {with a drain cock} betweet the tank & fuel Pump ~
ENJOY YOUR VACATION
~ Joe ~
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135613 is a reply to message #135607] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 19:59 |
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Don,
The larger the filter the better, more filter surface area to clog before it
would have to be changed.
A plastic filter would work, however, you run the risk of having something
hit it and break / crack it. It would be low risk installed near the tanks,
however, I wouldn't suggest it because I wouldn't want it on my conscience
if it did break / crack, the escaping fuel caught fire and coach burned to
the ground . . . . !
In the engine area (or anywhere else there is heat) there is absolutely,
positively, no bloody way I would use a plastic filter!
Keep in mind I'm and aircraft mechanic and super conservative when it comes
to taking risk, there's no place to pull over and park at 30,000 feet!
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Adams
When your sure that's all the problem, wouldn't switching tanks with maybe a
roadside blowback be worth the risk to go on and go?
Rob why " a large metal" filter?
wouldn't a "see in" clear palstic work?
[quote and install a
large metal housed filter between the tank outlet and electric fuel pump
--
Don
67 Datsun 2000
78 Suzuki 400
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The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135616 is a reply to message #135613] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 20:26 |
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Agree, large surface area for filter is better than something you can see
through. Metal is better for the heat where the filter may be placed.
Byron
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From: Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
Reply-To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 10:59:43 +1000
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP!
>Don,
>
>The larger the filter the better, more filter surface area to clog before
>it
>would have to be changed.
>
>A plastic filter would work, however, you run the risk of having something
>hit it and break / crack it. It would be low risk installed near the
>tanks,
>however, I wouldn't suggest it because I wouldn't want it on my conscience
>if it did break / crack, the escaping fuel caught fire and coach burned to
>the ground . . . . !
>
>In the engine area (or anywhere else there is heat) there is absolutely,
>positively, no bloody way I would use a plastic filter!
>
>Keep in mind I'm and aircraft mechanic and super conservative when it
>comes
>to taking risk, there's no place to pull over and park at 30,000 feet!
>
>Regards,
>Rob M.
>Sydney, Australia
>AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Adams
>
>When your sure that's all the problem, wouldn't switching tanks with
>maybe a
>roadside blowback be worth the risk to go on and go?
>
>Rob why " a large metal" filter?
>wouldn't a "see in" clear palstic work?
>
>[quote and install a
>large metal housed filter between the tank outlet and electric fuel pump
>
>--
>Don
>67 Datsun 2000
>78 Suzuki 400
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135621 is a reply to message #135613] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 21:02 |
Dennis S
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Ray,
What do you think would have made the noise you heard before it shut down? Perhaps junk in the fuel was causing mis-fire? Do you have a filter in the carb?
As for the filter -- I appreciate the more conservative use of metal -- but I do like the see through filter, one just after the tank selector valve, laying on the inside of the frame rail. In that location it is a good distance from the exhaust and protected by the frame.
As for taking your trip -- at least you would know the source of the problem -- and be better prepared to deal with it.
Dennis
| Robert Mueller wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 19:59 |
Don,
The larger the filter the better, more filter surface area to clog before it
would have to be changed.
A plastic filter would work, however, you run the risk of having something
hit it and break / crack it. It would be low risk installed near the tanks,
however, I wouldn't suggest it because I wouldn't want it on my conscience
if it did break / crack, the escaping fuel caught fire and coach burned to
the ground . . . . !
In the engine area (or anywhere else there is heat) there is absolutely,
positively, no bloody way I would use a plastic filter!
Keep in mind I'm and aircraft mechanic and super conservative when it comes
to taking risk, there's no place to pull over and park at 30,000 feet!
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
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| Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP! [message #135626 is a reply to message #135612] |
Fri, 22 July 2011 21:59 |
Ray Erspamer
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OK, here's the deal, I had multiple things going on here......part of it was Ray
made an IDIOT move.
1. The fuel lines were definitely plugged, which probably saved me a bunch when
it quit running.
2. I changed oil last week IN A RUSH.......what I did was drain the
differential instead of the oil pan.
3. So I was running with probably 11 qts of oil in the crank case and NO oil in
the differential, thus the whine on decellaration.....not grinding.
The fuel lines plugging probably saved my engine AND my differential, I had only
gone about 50 miles.
I drained the oil and refilled it with the correct amount.
I refilled the differential.
I test drove it up and down the freeway, runs strong and the noise in the
differential is 95% gone. (will put bearings, etc on the do do list).
So we're going to blast off tomorrow and try to make this vacation happeb.
All comments are welcome, even if you want to call me a DUMB ASS, I deserve it
on this one.
Thanks for all of the help guys !!
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: J A Holland <acts238bishop@yahoo.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Fri, July 22, 2011 8:05:00 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Broke Down-HELP!
Remove your fuel cap
Disconect the input line to your fuel pump ~
Apply air back thru your fuel socks
Install a large filter {with a drain cock} betweet the tank & fuel Filter ~
ENJOY YOUR VACATION
~ Joe ~
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O---------OO--]* ~ '78 TZE168V100234 ""
" Joe & Lavelle " ""
'sweet home alebamy'
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