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[GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135037] Mon, 18 July 2011 14:42 Go to next message
Steven Ferguson is currently offline  Steven Ferguson   United States
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Anyone here have any experience they'd like to share regarding the
towability of a Mazda Miata?
TX

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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135038 is a reply to message #135037] Mon, 18 July 2011 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, I do know that it's a little long to put in the back<G>

All joking aside, after having rebuilt the rear and the transmissions on far too many of them, it's probably no worse than any vehicle not designed to be towed.

Those rebuilds were for racing purposes, not from towing.

Dolph




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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135041 is a reply to message #135037] Mon, 18 July 2011 14:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Steve,

Somebody here tows a trailer full of Miata's, but I can't remember who. The only picture I found on the photo site is of a Miata being worked on. <http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=31655&title=miata-004&cat=5326>


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Anyone here have any experience they'd like to share regarding the
towability of a Mazda Miata?
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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135042 is a reply to message #135041] Mon, 18 July 2011 15:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks,
That would be Walt Taylor, I think he tows the older rotary engine Mazdas
on a trailer. I've tried a few of the RV forums and those guys are all over
the map, most supposition based opinions. I don't see why a manual trans
car couldn't be towed four down, but looking for specifics of folks that
have done this. I have a chance to pick one for very little, has both tops
too. Hate to pass up a 2,000 towable vehicle.

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> Steve,
>
> Somebody here tows a trailer full of Miata's, but I can't remember who. The
> only picture I found on the photo site is of a Miata being worked on. <
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=31655&title=miata-004&cat=5326
> >
>
>
> Larry Davick
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>
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> Anyone here have any experience they'd like to share regarding the
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> TX
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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135048 is a reply to message #135042] Mon, 18 July 2011 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There was this thread from long ago

<http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=42314&rid=1199&srch=miata+towd#msg_42267>


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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135051 is a reply to message #135037] Mon, 18 July 2011 16:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Steve

Have you seen this?
http://themorans.org/themorans/timstuff/timstuff1.htm

Remco also makes a lube pump for it if you are inclined to use it.

Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle
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> Anyone here have any experience they'd like to share regarding the
> towability of a Mazda Miata?
> TX
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135053 is a reply to message #135051] Mon, 18 July 2011 16:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just off the phone with my Miata guru in Florida (we run Spec Miata's).

The word is that it's not a problem as long as you're not running the Mazdaspeed differential.

Of course, being the racers that they are, they pointed out that everything but the input shaft will accumulate wear as you tow.

HTH

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On Jul 18, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Dave Mumert wrote:

> Hi Steve
>
> Have you seen this?
> http://themorans.org/themorans/timstuff/timstuff1.htm
>
> Remco also makes a lube pump for it if you are inclined to use it.
>
> Dave
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Subject: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle
>>
>> Anyone here have any experience they'd like to share regarding the
>> towability of a Mazda Miata?
>> TX
>>
>> Steve Ferguson
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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135064 is a reply to message #135051] Mon, 18 July 2011 17:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sure haven't Dave. Interesting. The one I'm looking at is a 1990, 6 speed
manual. I've found adapter brackets for it made by Aladdin.
Thanks

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Dave Mumert <dave@mumert.com> wrote:

> Hi Steve
>
> Have you seen this?
> http://themorans.org/themorans/timstuff/timstuff1.htm
>
> Remco also makes a lube pump for it if you are inclined to use it.
>
> Dave
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Subject: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle
> >
> > Anyone here have any experience they'd like to share regarding the
> > towability of a Mazda Miata?
> > TX
> >
> > Steve Ferguson
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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135065 is a reply to message #135053] Mon, 18 July 2011 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thanks for the info dolph. I would expect the same wear and tear that
comes with regular driving and I'm of the philosophy that anything with a
manual trans can be towed.

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Dolph Santorine
<dolph@dolphsantorine.com>wrote:

> Just off the phone with my Miata guru in Florida (we run Spec Miata's).
>
> The word is that it's not a problem as long as you're not running the
> Mazdaspeed differential.
>
> Of course, being the racers that they are, they pointed out that everything
> but the input shaft will accumulate wear as you tow.
>
> HTH
>
> Dolph Santorine
>
> DE N8JPC
> Wheeling, West Virginia
> dolph@dolphsantorine.com
>
> 1976 GMC 26'
> TZE166V101610
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Dave Mumert wrote:
>
> > Hi Steve
> >
> > Have you seen this?
> > http://themorans.org/themorans/timstuff/timstuff1.htm
> >
> > Remco also makes a lube pump for it if you are inclined to use it.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> Subject: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle
> >>
> >> Anyone here have any experience they'd like to share regarding the
> >> towability of a Mazda Miata?
> >> TX
> >>
> >> Steve Ferguson
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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135073 is a reply to message #135051] Mon, 18 July 2011 18:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dave Mumert wrote on Mon, 18 July 2011 14:10

Hi Steve

Have you seen this?
http://themorans.org/themorans/timstuff/timstuff1.htm

Remco also makes a lube pump for it if you are inclined to use it.

Dave




Wow - this guy needs to get out of that SOB and into a GMC! He does some nice work.


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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135075 is a reply to message #135064] Mon, 18 July 2011 18:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Steve,
This MX5 would have been a 5 speed has the box been changed out to a 6
speed?
I just last Saturday sold a 1990 at a low price here for A$4300 done 134,000
klms had it 8 years and put about 100kms on it How does that compare to USA
prices?
I had 3 at one time with the intention of racing one but best laid plans
went amiss and it never happened so now they are all gone.
Fun car but a little squeezee for a 6 footer with the hood up.
Peter Bailey
from Ozy (Aussie)
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> Sure haven't Dave. Interesting. The one I'm looking at is a 1990, 6
> speed
> manual. I've found adapter brackets for it made by Aladdin.
> Thanks
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Dave Mumert <dave@mumert.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Steve
>>
>> Have you seen this?
>> http://themorans.org/themorans/timstuff/timstuff1.htm
>>
>> Remco also makes a lube pump for it if you are inclined to use it.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > Subject: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle
>> >
>> > Anyone here have any experience they'd like to share regarding the
>> > towability of a Mazda Miata?
>> > TX
>> >
>> > Steve Ferguson
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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135079 is a reply to message #135037] Mon, 18 July 2011 19:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Steve,

I'm pretty sure Paul and Alana are towing a Miata on their year-long trip: http://www.50statesorless.com/coming_soon


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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135083 is a reply to message #135075] Mon, 18 July 2011 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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G'day,

Aus - US translator here:

Hood = convertible top ;-)

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
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USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426

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Steve,
Fun car but a little squeezee for a 6 footer with the hood up.
Peter Bailey
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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135088 is a reply to message #135079] Mon, 18 July 2011 19:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That is a very cool blog.

These GMC'er make the nicest blogs!

Larry Davick
Fremont, California
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Steve,

I'm pretty sure Paul and Alana are towing a Miata on their year-long trip: http://www.50statesorless.com/coming_soon
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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135134 is a reply to message #135079] Tue, 19 July 2011 06:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I haven't looked at their blog in sometime. A couple of nice kids with a
double dose of ambition and wander lust. Thanks Carl.

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>
>
> Steve,
>
> I'm pretty sure Paul and Alana are towing a Miata on their year-long trip:
> http://www.50statesorless.com/coming_soon
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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135136 is a reply to message #135075] Tue, 19 July 2011 06:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steven Ferguson is currently offline  Steven Ferguson   United States
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Peter,
I haven't driven it yet. I'm looking at $3,500 with both tops. 100K miles
on it. I had an XL deputy friend in San Diego that managed to fit into one
so I figured there'd be no problem with me. Maybe it is a 5 speed, itis a
1990 also. I'll head over there today and drive it.
TX for the translation Rob.

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Peter Bailey <bugeye@internode.on.net>wrote:

> Steve,
> This MX5 would have been a 5 speed has the box been changed out to a 6
> speed?
> I just last Saturday sold a 1990 at a low price here for A$4300 done
> 134,000
> klms had it 8 years and put about 100kms on it How does that compare to USA
> prices?
> I had 3 at one time with the intention of racing one but best laid plans
> went amiss and it never happened so now they are all gone.
> Fun car but a little squeezee for a 6 footer with the hood up.
> Peter Bailey
> from Ozy (Aussie)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Ferguson" <botiemad11@gmail.com>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle
>
>
> > Sure haven't Dave. Interesting. The one I'm looking at is a 1990, 6
> > speed
> > manual. I've found adapter brackets for it made by Aladdin.
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Dave Mumert <dave@mumert.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Steve
> >>
> >> Have you seen this?
> >> http://themorans.org/themorans/timstuff/timstuff1.htm
> >>
> >> Remco also makes a lube pump for it if you are inclined to use it.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
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> >> >
> >> > Anyone here have any experience they'd like to share regarding the
> >> > towability of a Mazda Miata?
> >> > TX
> >> >
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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135142 is a reply to message #135065] Tue, 19 July 2011 07:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Steven Ferguson wrote on Mon, 18 July 2011 18:22

thanks for the info dolph. I would expect the same wear and tear that comes with regular driving and ,,,
I'm of the philosophy that anything with a manual trans can be towed.

Steve,

This is a very dangerous assumption. There have been more than a few manual transmissions that cannot be towed any distance without suffering damage. The problem is in the design of the lube flow inside the actual gearbox. If the lube lift is done by gears that are on the engine side. There will be no oil to many of the bearings and even unloaded, the speed may be more than those parts can stand.

Case - I helped a friend replace the trans in an early '70s Datsun 240Z after he brought it to Michigan from Georgia on a towbar.

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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135148 is a reply to message #135142] Tue, 19 July 2011 08:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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TX for the input Matt. With the info provided here and visiting the website
links, I read where many have towed the Miata tens of thousands of miles
with no ill effects. In 2002 I bought a new Civic, 5 speed, 2.300 lbs and
the deal breaker was whether or not it could be towed 4 down. The manual
said no, a call to American Honda said yes. Towed the thing thousands of
miles with no problem except for weird tire wear due to caster or camber
changes because of the FWD (pulling vs pushing).

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 5:26 AM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Steven Ferguson wrote on Mon, 18 July 2011 18:22
> > thanks for the info dolph. I would expect the same wear and tear that
> comes with regular driving and ,,,
> > I'm of the philosophy that anything with a manual trans can be towed.
>
> Steve,
>
> This is a very dangerous assumption. There have been more than a few
> manual transmissions that cannot be towed any distance without suffering
> damage. The problem is in the design of the lube flow inside the actual
> gearbox. If the lube lift is done by gears that are on the engine side.
> There will be no oil to many of the bearings and even unloaded, the speed
> may be more than those parts can stand.
>
> Case - I helped a friend replace the trans in an early '70s Datsun 240Z
> after he brought it to Michigan from Georgia on a towbar.
>
> Matt
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Re: [GMCnet] Towable Vehicle [message #135158 is a reply to message #135079] Tue, 19 July 2011 09:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Carl S. wrote on Mon, 18 July 2011 20:13

Steve,

I'm pretty sure Paul and Alana are towing a Miata on their year-long trip: http://www.50statesorless.com/coming_soon


From their site, here's their tow'd:
http://www.50statesorless.com/photos/215


Mike K. '75 PB Southeast Michigan
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Steven Ferguson is currently offline  Steven Ferguson   United States
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Thanks Mike.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Mike <carcruse@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
> Carl S. wrote on Mon, 18 July 2011 20:13
> > Steve,
> >
> > I'm pretty sure Paul and Alana are towing a Miata on their year-long
> trip: http://www.50statesorless.com/coming_soon
>
>
> From their site, here's their tow'd:
> http://www.50statesorless.com/photos/215
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> Mike K.
> '75 PB
> Southeast Michigan
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