| [GMCnet] DEAD HOUSE BATTERIES [message #134379] |
Tue, 12 July 2011 17:34  |
peabody
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Location: steamboat springs, co
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All,
My house batteries ( two 6 volt properly hooked together) are run down (left a light on) & the Onan will not get any juice to start. I've run my enginge to charge for 2+ hours (I have a combiner/isolator hookup) and still not bringing up to the house batteries. The water level in the house batteries is always topped off. The smart charger green light is lite but not the red lite on the combiner. No wires have been changed and all tight. The house batteries were fully charged during the winter storage as the combiner worked just fine. Questions:
1. How long does it take for the running engine to charge the house batteries ?
2. Is there a way to "jump" the Onan from my car in order to start the Onan??
All help is appreciated, I'm a "recovering", i.e. retired lawyer not an electrician.
Bill
William S. Schurman
P.O. 773325
Steamboat Springs, CO (Ski Town USA)
at the foot of Rabbit Ears Pass
970-846-4212
'78 Palm Beach TZE 168V100258
'90 SHO
'66 912
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| Re: [GMCnet] DEAD HOUSE BATTERIES [message #134395 is a reply to message #134394] |
Tue, 12 July 2011 19:39  |
k2gkk
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Your house battery is NOT 6 Volts!
It is 12 Volts, built from TWO 6 Volt
batteries in series!
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> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:23:19 -0400
> From: mactac735@mac.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] DEAD HOUSE BATTERIES
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> On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
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> > If you want to jump from your car just put the jumpers onto the terminals of the house battery and you should be able to start your Onan.
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> Emery,
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> Is that okay from a 12v car to 6v house battery?
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> Tim Conway
> LI NY 78 PB
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| Re: [GMCnet] DEAD HOUSE BATTERIES [message #134401 is a reply to message #134399] |
Tue, 12 July 2011 20:03 |
k2gkk
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Yep. You already have a jumper cable
between the negative of one battery and
the positive of the other. You connect
your charger or other 12 Volt battery
across the whole combination. Be SURE
that you observe polarity. POSITIVE to
POSITIVE and NEGATIVE to NEGATIVE.
EXPLOSION CAN RESULT IF DONE WRONG!
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> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:54:11 -0400
> From: mactac735@mac.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] DEAD HOUSE BATTERIES
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> On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:39 PM, D C *Mac* Macdonald wrote:
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> > Your house battery is NOT 6 Volts!
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> > It is 12 Volts, built from TWO 6 Volt
> > batteries in series!
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> So would you jump one pos and one neg from each?
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> Thanks,
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> Tim Conway
> LI NY 78 PB
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| Re: [GMCnet] DEAD HOUSE BATTERIES [message #134406 is a reply to message #134405] |
Tue, 12 July 2011 20:19 |
MikeT
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I have one of those all in one battery jump packs, air, light and jumper. I start and run the Onan all the time with the jump pack hooked up to the battery cables from the Onan. Should works great until you can get a charge in your batteries.
Mike Thomas
Marine City, MI
77 ex Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] DEAD HOUSE BATTERIES [message #134412 is a reply to message #134379] |
Tue, 12 July 2011 20:58 |
JohnL455
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AS far as the time question. After 2 hours (if they were 100% flat) they should be taking a charge and in the first half of the bell curve of charging. Your engine alternator should be whining loudly with the charge demand. If you totally killed them and they froze?? they may be shot.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] DEAD HOUSE BATTERIES [message #134413 is a reply to message #134405] |
Tue, 12 July 2011 21:03 |
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Hardie Johnson
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| ahamilto wrote on Tue, 12 July 2011 21:14 |
| Tim Conway wrote on Tue, 12 July 2011 19:54 |
On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:39 PM, D C *Mac* Macdonald wrote: Your house battery is NOT 6 Volts! It is 12 Volts, built from TWO 6 Volt batteries in series!
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So would you jump one pos and one neg from each?
Tim Conway
LI NY 78 PB
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No. One 6V battery has its positive terminal connected to the negative terminal of the other 6V battery. The batteries are connected in series, 6V + 6V = 12V. Just stay away from the terminals that connect the 6V batteries to each other. Connect your jumper cables to the other two terminals.
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That is actually a "yes" but it is very confusing. Connect red to red, black to black, do not connect to the terminals of the batteries that are connected together by a battery cable. That would give you a dead short of your jumping source with a very high capacity cable! To rephrase, you would jump from the positive of one to the negative of the other, but not the ones connected together, the other ones.
"what was that, it sounded like a big boom!?"
Hardie Johnson "Crashj"
1973 26 foot Glacier, White Thing
Raleigh NC
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| Re: [GMCnet] DEAD HOUSE BATTERIES [message #134429 is a reply to message #134395] |
Wed, 13 July 2011 00:38 |
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mike miller
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| k2gkk wrote on Tue, 12 July 2011 17:39 |
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> Is that okay from a 12v car to 6v house battery?
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Your house battery is NOT 6 Volts!
It is 12 Volts, built from TWO 6 Volt
batteries in series!
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I have always thought of it this way:
The house battery is a single 12 volt battery split into two cases for ease of installation and removal.
So... along these lines:
The shouldn't be any reason to connect anything to the cable and connectors between the two "halves" of your big 12v house battery.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
http://m000035.blogspot.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] DEAD HOUSE BATTERIES [message #134526 is a reply to message #134487] |
Wed, 13 July 2011 21:33 |
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jaholland
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| ahamilto wrote on Wed, 13 July 2011 16:11 |
| JoeHolland wrote on Wed, 13 July 2011 16:02 |
Peabody;
Your 2 House Batteries Are Defendants A & B Who Are Handcuffed Together
They Must Be Handcuffed Together In Order To Function Properly ~
Take The Positive {Red} Clamp Of Your Jumper Cable And Attach It To The Positive Post {Free Left Hand} Of Defendant A ~
NEXT
Take The Negative {Black} Clamp Of Your Jumper Cable And Attach It To The Negative Post {Free Richt Hand} Of Defendant B ~
DO NOT CLAMP THE HANDCUFFED AREA
Or They Will Receive A Quick Death Penalty ~
In Other Words
Start Your Motor
Hold In The Battery Boost Button
And Have Someone Press Your Generator Start Button ~
~ Joe ~
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I never would have thought there would be so many embellishments of my original statement, "Just stay away from the terminals that connect the 6V batteries to each other."
Should I have made it all caps?
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Peabody Said That He Was A Lawyer Not An Mechanic ~ LOL ~
{ I type in caps cause I wear Tri Focals }
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