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stick miller is currently offline  stick miller   United States
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OK- I may the only person in the world to destroy 2 airbags in one year, but here goes:

The first was entirely my fault. As a newby I knew nothing about ride height or “airing up” and I allowed the tire to rub a hole in the bag. It happened in my first week of ownership.

Then last month I bought 2 new tires and put them in the center position. I left specific written instructions for the tire company to follow that would have discarded an out of date and cracked tire. They did not follow those instructions and instead they moved that tire from the center passenger side to the rear passenger side. Even though I checked tire pressure prior to my departure and prior to my return trip home, I did not bother to scrutinize their work and look closely for dates. Somewhat less my fault, but I should have looked.

The result is that on July 4, at expressway speed, I lost about 18” of tread from the rotten tire. I put the spare on myself and we proceeded home – about 200 miles. The next morning I noticed the coach was leaning to the right and learned that the passenger side bag was deflated. Further examination showed that the bag had been “slapped” by the steel cord of the missing piece of the tire and the result is a series of small pin prick leaks.

My wheel well cover – more than a “t” skirt, it is a full, one piece cover – has been ripped from its bottom connection and the back storage compartment door has damage along the bottom edge. Both are repairable.

I guess the point of this post is 3 fold:

1. Never trust repairs without verifying or observing the results. I’m not much of a mechanic, but I knew that tire was bad. That tire is the prime reason I bought the 2 new ones.

2. I’m frustrated with the options available to me for bag replacement. I’m borrowing a bag from a loyal GMCer and have a possibility of getting a used bag in a month or so. The fact remains that if I stay with the OEM system my options are limited to buying used bags. Correct me if I’m wrong. I’m open to suggestion but am leaning toward replacing the system with a more current and available system.

3. I’m not going to gamble on tires anymore. I have 4 tires that are in the 4 year old range, but that just might not be good enough to make me comfortable.

I hope the result of this exercise is that the dealer will make me “whole” which would be a good used bag, 2 in-date tires and a bit of fiberglass repair. I’d probably settle for 2 new tires and I’ll probably buy 2 more so I’ll have 6 new.

Film at 11.


Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
Re: Air Bag Woes [message #134289 is a reply to message #134287] Tue, 12 July 2011 09:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dennis S is currently offline  Dennis S   United States
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Stick,

If you need a used bag -- I have one in the mini storage I can send USPS priority -- be there on Thursday. The fiil valve is not with it -- you would use the one from your old bag. This one is a little rough looking, but was holding air ok according to the PO.

Dennis


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Re: Air Bag Woes [message #134290 is a reply to message #134287] Tue, 12 July 2011 09:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Stick, Four bagger of your choice, and Bean Station - a marriage made in heaven.

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Re: [GMCnet] Air Bag Woes [message #134293 is a reply to message #134287] Tue, 12 July 2011 09:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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> The fact remains that if I stay with the OEM system my options are limited
> to buying used bags.


There are several good replacement , single bag- systms.

JimK, JimB, and others, look through all of these,here:

http://goo.gl/rq8mT

One will even keep you going when the bag goes down

yours is a classic story, guess I will add it to my page ;>)

gene


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Re: Air Bag Woes [message #134297 is a reply to message #134289] Tue, 12 July 2011 09:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dennis S wrote on Tue, 12 July 2011 10:03

Stick,

If you need a used bag -- I have one in the mini storage I can send USPS priority -- be there on Thursday. The fiil valve is not with it -- you would use the one from your old bag. This one is a little rough looking, but was holding air ok according to the PO.

Dennis


Dennis - give me a call at 229-93eight oo68 or stickmiller@gmaildotcom

I'm interested. Thanks Stick


Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
Re: Air Bag Woes [message #134307 is a reply to message #134290] Tue, 12 July 2011 10:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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tphipps wrote on Tue, 12 July 2011 10:04

Stick, Four bagger of your choice, and Bean Station - a marriage made in heaven.

Tom Phipps,
GMC Dixielander Newsletter Editor


Tom - that is probably the plan. I just want to feel safe traveling until then. Good thing I didn't remember to sign up for the Dixielander rally. I wouldn't have made it.


Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
Re: Air Bag Woes [message #134319 is a reply to message #134287] Tue, 12 July 2011 11:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Stick Miller wrote on Tue, 12 July 2011 06:53

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Then last month I bought 2 new tires and put them in the center position. I left specific written instructions for the tire company to follow that would have discarded an out of date and cracked tire. They did not follow those instructions and instead they moved that tire from the center passenger side to the rear passenger side. Even though ....


It amazes me on how few tire monkeys even know there is a date code on tires, much less how to read them. Even if they know, most do not understand why we do not want old tires on our coaches.

Any chance you can take your coach back and rub their noses in it? (I doubt it would help...)

I replaced a "perfectly good" tire the other day... with a date code of [495]. (It was the spare on a recently bought 96 Sidekick, so I am thinking 49th week of 1995.)

The tire monkey seemed confused on why I did not want the tire... even as a spare.

Anyway, double check the tire monkeys work.... it is YOUR rig.

To make that easier, I need to start insisting that the tires be mounted with the date codes on the OUTSIDE.


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Re: Air Bag Woes [message #134320 is a reply to message #134319] Tue, 12 July 2011 11:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It is just not worth trying to stretch miles on older tires. I will not run on a tire 6 years old, just wont happen. I know folks who get by on old tires but I am not chancing it. 2 tires every 2 years is what I do to keep them within my time limits. That means all tires have been replaced every 4 years on our coach. Keeps me feeling good as we travel. And, I do use the air pressure monitors on all 10 tires. Tires and brakes, I just am not going to gamble.
Dan


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Re: Air Bag Woes [message #134321 is a reply to message #134319] Tue, 12 July 2011 11:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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With 3 digits in the tire build code, I think it would be 4th month of '95. Not that it matters with something that old. It has only been in the last few years that they went to 4 digits in the build code.
Re: [GMCnet] Air Bag Woes [message #134338 is a reply to message #134319] Tue, 12 July 2011 12:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mine has 4308 Firestones.  So I figure they're good till the end of 2013. 
 
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--- On Tue, 7/12/11, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Air Bag Woes
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Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 4:38 PM




Stick Miller wrote on Tue, 12 July 2011 06:53
> ...
> Then last month I bought 2 new tires and put them in the center position. I left specific written instructions for the tire company to follow that would have discarded an out of date and cracked tire. They did not follow those instructions and instead they moved that tire from the center passenger side to the rear passenger side. Even though ....


It amazes me on how few tire monkeys even know there is a date code on tires, much less how to read them.  Even if they know, most do not understand why we do not want old tires on our coaches. 

Any chance you can take your coach back and rub their noses in it?  (I doubt it would help...)

I replaced a "perfectly good" tire the other day... with a date code of [495].  (It was the spare on a recently bought 96 Sidekick, so I am thinking 49th week of 1995.)

The tire monkey seemed confused on why I did not want the tire... even as a spare.

Anyway, double check the tire monkeys work.... it is YOUR rig.

To make that easier, I need to start insisting that the tires be mounted with the date codes on the OUTSIDE.
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Re: Air Bag Woes [message #134356 is a reply to message #134321] Tue, 12 July 2011 13:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Harry wrote on Tue, 12 July 2011 09:54

With 3 digits in the tire build code, I think it would be 4th month of '95. Not that it matters with something that old. It has only been in the last few years that they went to 4 digits in the build code.


Tire date codes have always indicated the week of manufacture. (Never the month.)

Before 2000, they only provided the week of the year and the last digit of the year... but had no way of indicating what DECADE the tire was manufactured. [495] could mean November 1995 but could also mean November in 1985, 1975 or even 1965. But the tire size and construction wasn't made that far back and it wan mounted on a wheel that wasn't being used until the 1996 model year. I am fairly sure it was made in 1995.

Here is a fairly good site on tire date codes:
<http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=11>

But, you are correct, any tire with only three digits is to old for most "on road" uses. (Keep in mind that tire age is only one of many things to consider when judging a tires fitness for use.)


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Re: Air Bag Woes [message #134361 is a reply to message #134287] Tue, 12 July 2011 14:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What you have been told by the others is ok, but I would ask
what happened to the tire that they removed since they left on
the tire that you instructed them to remove. Took off a good tire and left the rotten one?

jim galbavy
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Re: Air Bag Woes [message #134478 is a reply to message #134361] Wed, 13 July 2011 15:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for the responses and for the offers to lend bags. I did go back to the tire company and I just got a call from the owner offering 2 new Uniroyals to match the 2 I bought last month.

That offer is satisfactory to me especially since there are probably some companies who would not have done anything.

Kudos to Dave Perry at Perry Brothers Tire here in Americus, Georgia. They messed up, admitted their mistake and, IMHO, they made it right.

Got to order some Counteract.


Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
Re: [GMCnet] Air Bag Woes [message #134481 is a reply to message #134478] Wed, 13 July 2011 15:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good deal, Stick! I'm glad they're treating you right. Especially
since we need as many good sources as we can get. :-)

I may still have some Counteract, in case you can't find a source.

Ken H.
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On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Stick Miller <stickmiller@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> Thanks for the responses and for the offers to lend bags. I did go back to the tire company and I just got a call from the owner offering 2 new Uniroyals to match the 2 I bought last month.
>
> That offer is satisfactory to me especially since there are probably some companies who would not have done anything.
>
> Kudos to Dave Perry at Perry Brothers Tire here in Americus, Georgia. They messed up, admitted their mistake and, IMHO, they made it right.
>
> Got to order some Counteract.
> --
> Stick (I used to be skinny) Miller
> '78 Royale
> Americus, Georgia
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Re: Air Bag Woes [message #134492 is a reply to message #134287] Wed, 13 July 2011 17:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Stick-
Have you looked at the Southland Single Cone sytem? It looks like you could replace one side at a time (although opinions on this differ) and they are in GA.


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Re: Air Bag Woes [message #134494 is a reply to message #134492] Wed, 13 July 2011 18:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Opinions anyone? I've read so many I can't get things straight.

Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
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Re: Air Bag Woes [message #134495 is a reply to message #134287] Wed, 13 July 2011 18:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Stick for reporting that they are treating you right. Too many just will not admit somthing like that and make it right. Should I ever need assistance in your area I will ask that you send me to them. Dosen't it make you feel good to be treated like that?
Dan


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Re: Air Bag Woes [message #134497 is a reply to message #134494] Wed, 13 July 2011 18:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Stick Miller wrote on Wed, 13 July 2011 19:04

Opinions anyone? I've read so many I can't get things straight.

If the guys who screwed it up are helping, go big and get the "QBag" from Jim, otherwise get one of the single-bag-per-side conversions. Do not simply replace the OEM bag.
"Opinions are like . . ."


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Re: Air Bag Woes [message #134545 is a reply to message #134494] Thu, 14 July 2011 00:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think the single cone (and JimK sells one too for a little less, I forgot to mention) is the simplest and the best value. The Q-bag claims to be able to carry the coach along with a blown tire, but I wonder how much value that really has, given the number of variables associated with a flat. Are you really likely to just keep on truckin'? But you can install a single cone in under an hour and you have safety, peace of mind and just about all the OEM travel.

I was about to pull the trigger on one, but we shelved out trip plans for a couple months, so I'll wait until we get closer to a departure date.


Randy
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WD0AFQ wrote on Wed, 13 July 2011 19:09

Thanks Stick for reporting that they are treating you right. Too many just will not admit somthing like that and make it right. Should I ever need assistance in your area I will ask that you send me to them. Dosen't it make you feel good to be treated like that?
Dan


Yes, it does. I had a feeling they would make it right. They are an old, family owned company with a good reputation in our community. They support some pretty good causes and generally are good guys. Their employee made a mistake and they were willing to make things right.

I do think it is important for me to say that I am not a fan of trivial legal proceedings. All I wanted was to be put back in approximately the same position I was in before the incident. Had they chosen not to help, I would have reinforced my feelings to the owner and dropped the matter. I would never have traded with them again, but that would be it. As it is, I am satisfied with their offer. I'll buy 2 more tires from them in the spring.


Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
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