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[GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133136] Sat, 02 July 2011 19:31 Go to next message
Glen And Rose is currently offline  Glen And Rose   United States
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Sometimes you just got to admit how stupid you were. The Onan flywheel comes off quite easy...really!

I made a really nice puller plate for the flywheel. Slotted holes the works, it fits perfectly. Then I welded a 3/4" nut to the center and my big hex bolt went through the threads ever so smoothly. Then I thought...why take a chance marring up the end of the crank shaft. I cut a 1 1/2' plug out of a sheet of .25 plate. Only one problem...the plug contacts the flywheel in the recess...not the crankshaft. Even a Marine can figure out that something just is not right. When I put the bolt on the lathe and beveled the edge so that it would mate to the end of the crankshaft and got rid of the plug...pop goes the flywheel. Lesson learned...make tools that work.

Glen
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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133138 is a reply to message #133136] Sat, 02 July 2011 20:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Pix ???
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On Jul 2, 2011, at 5:31 PM, "Glen And Rose" <longez102@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Sometimes you just got to admit how stupid you were. The Onan flywheel comes off quite easy...really!
>
> I made a really nice puller plate for the flywheel. Slotted holes the works, it fits perfectly. Then I welded a 3/4" nut to the center and my big hex bolt went through the threads ever so smoothly. Then I thought...why take a chance marring up the end of the crank shaft. I cut a 1 1/2' plug out of a sheet of .25 plate. Only one problem...the plug contacts the flywheel in the recess...not the crankshaft. Even a Marine can figure out that something just is not right. When I put the bolt on the lathe and beveled the edge so that it would mate to the end of the crankshaft and got rid of the plug...pop goes the flywheel. Lesson learned...make tools that work.
>
> Glen
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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133152 is a reply to message #133136] Sat, 02 July 2011 22:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Glen,

You're definitely a Marine, not afraid of publishing and laughing at your
own mistakes!

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426


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Subject: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination

Sometimes you just got to admit how stupid you were. The Onan flywheel
comes off quite easy...really!

I made a really nice puller plate for the flywheel. Slotted holes the
works, it fits perfectly. Then I welded a 3/4" nut to the center and my big
hex bolt went through the threads ever so smoothly. Then I thought...why
take a chance marring up the end of the crank shaft. I cut a 1 1/2' plug
out of a sheet of .25 plate. Only one problem...the plug contacts the
flywheel in the recess...not the crankshaft. Even a Marine can figure out
that something just is not right. When I put the bolt on the lathe and
beveled the edge so that it would mate to the end of the crankshaft and got
rid of the plug...pop goes the flywheel. Lesson learned...make tools that
work.

Glen
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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133155 is a reply to message #133138] Sat, 02 July 2011 23:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Glen And Rose is currently offline  Glen And Rose   United States
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Gene,

Pix of what?

Glen

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Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:18 PM
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination

> Pix ???
> Gene
>
> FREE WIFI @ Mickey D
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 2, 2011, at 5:31 PM, "Glen And Rose" <longez102@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Sometimes you just got to admit how stupid you were. The Onan flywheel
>> comes off quite easy...really!
>>
>> I made a really nice puller plate for the flywheel. Slotted holes the
>> works, it fits perfectly. Then I welded a 3/4" nut to the center and my
>> big hex bolt went through the threads ever so smoothly. Then I
>> thought...why take a chance marring up the end of the crank shaft. I cut
>> a 1 1/2' plug out of a sheet of .25 plate. Only one problem...the plug
>> contacts the flywheel in the recess...not the crankshaft. Even a Marine
>> can figure out that something just is not right. When I put the bolt on
>> the lathe and beveled the edge so that it would mate to the end of the
>> crankshaft and got rid of the plug...pop goes the flywheel. Lesson
>> learned...make tools that work.
>>
>> Glen
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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133156 is a reply to message #133152] Sat, 02 July 2011 23:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Glen And Rose is currently offline  Glen And Rose   United States
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Rob,

Marine's never make mistakes...this was just an opportunity to attack the
problem in a more effective way.

Glen

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From: "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:15 PM
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination

> Glen,
>
> You're definitely a Marine, not afraid of publishing and laughing at your
> own mistakes!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Glen And Rose
> Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2011 10:32 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination
>
> Sometimes you just got to admit how stupid you were. The Onan flywheel
> comes off quite easy...really!
>
> I made a really nice puller plate for the flywheel. Slotted holes the
> works, it fits perfectly. Then I welded a 3/4" nut to the center and my
> big
> hex bolt went through the threads ever so smoothly. Then I thought...why
> take a chance marring up the end of the crank shaft. I cut a 1 1/2' plug
> out of a sheet of .25 plate. Only one problem...the plug contacts the
> flywheel in the recess...not the crankshaft. Even a Marine can figure out
> that something just is not right. When I put the bolt on the lathe and
> beveled the edge so that it would mate to the end of the crankshaft and
> got
> rid of the plug...pop goes the flywheel. Lesson learned...make tools that
> work.
>
> Glen
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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133158 is a reply to message #133156] Sun, 03 July 2011 00:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Glen,

My two favorite Marine stories:

One of my best friends joined the Marines upon HS graduation; I joined the
Air Force. We met after basic training and he said to me; "you're not in the
military, you're just an organized civilian!" When I got to Viet Nam and saw
what the Marines and Army went through compared to us "fly-boys" I saw he
was right. Unfortunately he did not make it home from Viet Nam along with a
few other classmates.

On my return from Viet Nam I flew through San Francisco and as I was walking
through the terminal in my Class A "Blue" uniform there were a several young
Marines in their Class A "Green" uniform.

They said to me "Hey bus driver, when's the bus pulling out?" accompanied by
much laughter.

I responded "As soon as you porters get the baggage loaded!" laughter ceased
and I kept walking.

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426


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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination

Rob,

Marine's never make mistakes...this was just an opportunity to attack the
problem in a more effective way.

Glen

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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133163 is a reply to message #133158] Sun, 03 July 2011 04:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Glen And Rose is currently offline  Glen And Rose   United States
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Rob,

This deserves a reply. I have often heard that our uniformed services are
organized as follows:

Deep water yacht club....Navy

Shallow water yacht club...Coast Guard

National Aero Club...Air Force

Uniformed Adults with Weapons but no ammunition...Army

A force at the ready on land...air...sea and if you listen to the Marine
Hymn even guarding the very gates of heaven...The Marines

The above is in good humor. Tis far more important that a person served
their country then in which branch they elected to serve.

Glen

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 10:08 PM
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination

> Glen,
>
> My two favorite Marine stories:
>
> One of my best friends joined the Marines upon HS graduation; I joined the
> Air Force. We met after basic training and he said to me; "you're not in
> the
> military, you're just an organized civilian!" When I got to Viet Nam and
> saw
> what the Marines and Army went through compared to us "fly-boys" I saw he
> was right. Unfortunately he did not make it home from Viet Nam along with
> a
> few other classmates.
>
> On my return from Viet Nam I flew through San Francisco and as I was
> walking
> through the terminal in my Class A "Blue" uniform there were a several
> young
> Marines in their Class A "Green" uniform.
>
> They said to me "Hey bus driver, when's the bus pulling out?" accompanied
> by
> much laughter.
>
> I responded "As soon as you porters get the baggage loaded!" laughter
> ceased
> and I kept walking.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Glen And Rose
> Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2011 2:41 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination
>
> Rob,
>
> Marine's never make mistakes...this was just an opportunity to attack the
> problem in a more effective way.
>
> Glen
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133164 is a reply to message #133163] Sun, 03 July 2011 05:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Glen, You forgot the "Weekend warriors" Army National Guard.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403 (Hq, Hq & Svc Co. 249th ARTY Grp. 41st Div. 6th Army NG)
Nov 1956-Nov 1965.

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 2:30 AM, Glen And Rose <longez102@earthlink.net>wrote:

> Rob,
>
> This deserves a reply. I have often heard that our uniformed services are
> organized as follows:
>
> Deep water yacht club....Navy
>
> Shallow water yacht club...Coast Guard
>
> National Aero Club...Air Force
>
> Uniformed Adults with Weapons but no ammunition...Army
>
> A force at the ready on land...air...sea and if you listen to the Marine
> Hymn even guarding the very gates of heaven...The Marines
>
> The above is in good humor. Tis far more important that a person served
> their country then in which branch they elected to serve.
>
> Glen
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 10:08 PM
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination
>
> > Glen,
> >
> > My two favorite Marine stories:
> >
> > One of my best friends joined the Marines upon HS graduation; I joined
> the
> > Air Force. We met after basic training and he said to me; "you're not in
> > the
> > military, you're just an organized civilian!" When I got to Viet Nam and
> > saw
> > what the Marines and Army went through compared to us "fly-boys" I saw he
> > was right. Unfortunately he did not make it home from Viet Nam along with
> > a
> > few other classmates.
> >
> > On my return from Viet Nam I flew through San Francisco and as I was
> > walking
> > through the terminal in my Class A "Blue" uniform there were a several
> > young
> > Marines in their Class A "Green" uniform.
> >
> > They said to me "Hey bus driver, when's the bus pulling out?" accompanied
> > by
> > much laughter.
> >
> > I responded "As soon as you porters get the baggage loaded!" laughter
> > ceased
> > and I kept walking.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob M.
> > Sydney, Australia
> > AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> > USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> > [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Glen And Rose
> > Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2011 2:41 PM
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination
> >
> > Rob,
> >
> > Marine's never make mistakes...this was just an opportunity to attack the
> > problem in a more effective way.
> >
> > Glen
> >
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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133165 is a reply to message #133164] Sun, 03 July 2011 05:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Glen And Rose is currently offline  Glen And Rose   United States
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Jim,

Actually, no...I've always thought the Guard/Reserves to be a part of the
larger active duty contingent. I think in today's military that's even more
true as we rely so heavily upon these great folks to add depth to the active
duty military. Without our Guard and Reserves our ability to fill the
famous quote "rugged men ready to do violence" would be impossible to carry
out on as many fronts as we are engaged. I seldom make any light of the
Guard and Reserve as in my eyes these folks that walk away from jobs and
family to fill a call to duty are of a caliber above and beyond.

Glen

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From: "James Hupy" <jamesh1296@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 3:20 AM
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination

> Glen, You forgot the "Weekend warriors" Army National Guard.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, OR
> 78 GMC Royale 403 (Hq, Hq & Svc Co. 249th ARTY Grp. 41st Div. 6th Army NG)
> Nov 1956-Nov 1965.
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 2:30 AM, Glen And Rose
> <longez102@earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>> Rob,
>>
>> This deserves a reply. I have often heard that our uniformed services
>> are
>> organized as follows:
>>
>> Deep water yacht club....Navy
>>
>> Shallow water yacht club...Coast Guard
>>
>> National Aero Club...Air Force
>>
>> Uniformed Adults with Weapons but no ammunition...Army
>>
>> A force at the ready on land...air...sea and if you listen to the Marine
>> Hymn even guarding the very gates of heaven...The Marines
>>
>> The above is in good humor. Tis far more important that a person served
>> their country then in which branch they elected to serve.
>>
>> Glen
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 10:08 PM
>> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination
>>
>> > Glen,
>> >
>> > My two favorite Marine stories:
>> >
>> > One of my best friends joined the Marines upon HS graduation; I joined
>> the
>> > Air Force. We met after basic training and he said to me; "you're not
>> > in
>> > the
>> > military, you're just an organized civilian!" When I got to Viet Nam
>> > and
>> > saw
>> > what the Marines and Army went through compared to us "fly-boys" I saw
>> > he
>> > was right. Unfortunately he did not make it home from Viet Nam along
>> > with
>> > a
>> > few other classmates.
>> >
>> > On my return from Viet Nam I flew through San Francisco and as I was
>> > walking
>> > through the terminal in my Class A "Blue" uniform there were a several
>> > young
>> > Marines in their Class A "Green" uniform.
>> >
>> > They said to me "Hey bus driver, when's the bus pulling out?"
>> > accompanied
>> > by
>> > much laughter.
>> >
>> > I responded "As soon as you porters get the baggage loaded!" laughter
>> > ceased
>> > and I kept walking.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Rob M.
>> > Sydney, Australia
>> > AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> > USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
>> > [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Glen And Rose
>> > Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2011 2:41 PM
>> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination
>> >
>> > Rob,
>> >
>> > Marine's never make mistakes...this was just an opportunity to attack
>> > the
>> > problem in a more effective way.
>> >
>> > Glen
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133170 is a reply to message #133165] Sun, 03 July 2011 08:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Amen. I can't believe the sacrifices the "weekend warriors" are
called upon to make. Especially when I remember that my uncle
"forced" me to join the National Guard the day before I turned 18-1/2
to keep me out of the draft. That was my college deferment. I quit
college at the start of my senior year to join USAF for 23 more years
of the military.

We should bring back the draft to spread the load of our defense to
all classes of society, to give more youths the opportunity to mature,
and to relieve the load on the weekend warriors.

JMHO, even if out of place.

Ken H.
Lt.Col., USAF, Ret.


On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Glen And Rose <longez102@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Actually, no...I've always thought the Guard/Reserves to be a part of the
> larger active duty contingent.  I think in today's military that's even more
> true as we rely so heavily upon these great folks to add depth to the active
> duty military.  Without our Guard and Reserves our ability to fill the
> famous quote "rugged men ready to do violence" would be impossible to carry
> out on as many fronts as we are engaged...
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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133171 is a reply to message #133170] Sun, 03 July 2011 08:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
k2gkk is currently offline  k2gkk   United States
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I do NOT wish to see the draft returned. The spreading of the load
across a wider spectrum of the population seems on the surface to be
a good idea. However, the highly technical demands of today's
military services (ALL of them) are so advanced that folks that at
one time were labeled Category 5 simply cannot cut the mustard. They
would be more of a hazard to their comrades than to any enemy.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
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> From: hend4800@bellsouth.net
> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 09:20:29 -0400
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination
>
> Amen. I can't believe the sacrifices the "weekend warriors" are
> called upon to make. Especially when I remember that my uncle
> "forced" me to join the National Guard the day before I turned 18-1/2
> to keep me out of the draft. That was my college deferment. I quit
> college at the start of my senior year to join USAF for 23 more years
> of the military.
>
> We should bring back the draft to spread the load of our defense to
> all classes of society, to give more youths the opportunity to mature,
> and to relieve the load on the weekend warriors.
>
> JMHO, even if out of place.
>
> Ken H.
> Lt.Col., USAF, Ret.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Glen And Rose <longez102@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Jim,
> >
> > Actually, no...I've always thought the Guard/Reserves to be a part of the
> > larger active duty contingent. I think in today's military that's even more
> > true as we rely so heavily upon these great folks to add depth to the active
> > duty military. Without our Guard and Reserves our ability to fill the
> > famous quote "rugged men ready to do violence" would be impossible to carry
> > out on as many fronts as we are engaged..

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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133174 is a reply to message #133171] Sun, 03 July 2011 08:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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At the start of WWII, shoes were hi-tech to more than a few draftees.
The Army trained them and made good use of them. Military training
methods may be the only way to educate many of today's youth, making
them productive members of society, and it CAN be done.

But this is the wrong forum for this discussion. My apologies for
initiating and continuing it.

Ken H.


On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 9:38 AM, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I do NOT wish to see the draft returned. The spreading of the load
> across a wider spectrum of the population seems on the surface to be
> a good idea.  However, the highly technical demands of today's
> military services (ALL of them) are so advanced that folks that at
> one time were labeled Category 5 simply cannot cut the mustard. They
> would be more of a hazard to their comrades than to any enemy.
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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133175 is a reply to message #133163] Sun, 03 July 2011 09:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Glen,

Agreed!

I once saw a T-Shirt with the following

USMC = Uncle Sam's Misguided Children

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Glen And Rose
Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2011 7:30 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination

Rob,

This deserves a reply. I have often heard that our uniformed services are
organized as follows:

Deep water yacht club....Navy

Shallow water yacht club...Coast Guard

National Aero Club...Air Force

Uniformed Adults with Weapons but no ammunition...Army

A force at the ready on land...air...sea and if you listen to the Marine
Hymn even guarding the very gates of heaven...The Marines

The above is in good humor. Tis far more important that a person served
their country then in which branch they elected to serve.

Glen



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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133177 is a reply to message #133136] Sun, 03 July 2011 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am a formally active regular Marine and I have always liked Eleanor Roosevelt quote “The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!”

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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133178 is a reply to message #133164] Sun, 03 July 2011 11:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And us FANGs as well.  (Air National Guard).
 
-johnny


--- On Sun, 7/3/11, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:


From: James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Sunday, July 3, 2011, 10:20 AM


Glen, You forgot the "Weekend warriors" Army National Guard.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403 (Hq, Hq & Svc Co. 249th ARTY Grp. 41st Div. 6th Army NG)
Nov 1956-Nov 1965.

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 2:30 AM, Glen And Rose <longez102@earthlink.net>wrote:

> Rob,
>
> This deserves a reply.  I have often heard that our uniformed services are
> organized as follows:
>
> Deep water yacht club....Navy
>
> Shallow water yacht club...Coast Guard
>
> National Aero Club...Air Force
>
> Uniformed Adults with Weapons but no ammunition...Army
>
> A force at the ready on land...air...sea and if you listen to the Marine
> Hymn even guarding the very gates of heaven...The Marines
>
> The above is in good humor.  Tis far more important that a person served
> their country then in which branch they elected to serve.
>
> Glen
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 10:08 PM
>  To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination
>
> > Glen,
> >
> > My two favorite Marine stories:
> >
> > One of my best friends joined the Marines upon HS graduation; I joined
> the
> > Air Force. We met after basic training and he said to me; "you're not in
> > the
> > military, you're just an organized civilian!" When I got to Viet Nam and
> > saw
> > what the Marines and Army went through compared to us "fly-boys" I saw he
> > was right. Unfortunately he did not make it home from Viet Nam along with
> > a
> > few other classmates.
> >
> > On my return from Viet Nam I flew through San Francisco and as I was
> > walking
> > through the terminal in my Class A "Blue" uniform there were a several
> > young
> > Marines in their Class A "Green" uniform.
> >
> > They said to me "Hey bus driver, when's the bus pulling out?" accompanied
> > by
> > much laughter.
> >
> > I responded "As soon as you porters get the baggage loaded!" laughter
> > ceased
> > and I kept walking.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob M.
> > Sydney, Australia
> > AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> > USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> > [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Glen And Rose
> > Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2011 2:41 PM
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination
> >
> > Rob,
> >
> > Marine's never make mistakes...this was just an opportunity to attack the
> > problem in a more effective way.
> >
> > Glen
> >
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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133179 is a reply to message #133170] Sun, 03 July 2011 11:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Soapbox open.
 
I'll second that, with some upgrades.  Do away with the 'equivalent wage' for the first two years in.  Beer money, three hots and a cot, and teach the kids a trade and the concepts of maturity and responsibility.  And ELIMNATE DEFERRMENTS.  For anything.  Opposed to killing?  Fine, there are plenty of public projects for you to go and work on in a military environment.  Handicapped?  Fine, we'll spend a bit extra to let you do something you're capable of doing.  I realize it's a Heinleinesque concept, but I think it would work and we'd be better off for it.
 
Soapbox closed.
 
--johnny

--- On Sun, 7/3/11, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net> wrote:


From: Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Sunday, July 3, 2011, 1:20 PM


Amen.  I can't believe the sacrifices the "weekend warriors" are
called upon to make.  Especially when I remember that my uncle
"forced" me to join the National Guard the day before I turned 18-1/2
to keep me out of the draft.  That was my college deferment.  I quit
college at the start of my senior year to join USAF for 23 more years
of the military.

We should bring back the draft to spread the load of our defense to
all classes of society, to give more youths the opportunity to mature,
and to relieve the load on the weekend warriors.

JMHO, even if out of place.

Ken H.
Lt.Col., USAF, Ret.


On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Glen And Rose <longez102@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Actually, no...I've always thought the Guard/Reserves to be a part of the
> larger active duty contingent.  I think in today's military that's even more
> true as we rely so heavily upon these great folks to add depth to the active
> duty military.  Without our Guard and Reserves our ability to fill the
> famous quote "rugged men ready to do violence" would be impossible to carry
> out on as many fronts as we are engaged...
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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133180 is a reply to message #133163] Sun, 03 July 2011 11:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Glen And Rose wrote on Sun, 03 July 2011 02:30

Rob,

This deserves a reply. I have often heard that our uniformed services are
organized as follows: ...


What is the difference between the Marines and the Boy Scouts?

The Scouts have adult supervision.

... Twisted Evil
(I was in both.)


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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133183 is a reply to message #133175] Sun, 03 July 2011 12:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sort of like: U.S.C. = University of Spoiled Children

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~~ ~ ~ (TZE166V101966) ~ ~ ~~
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----------------------------------------
> From: robmueller@iinet.net.au
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 00:07:25 +1000
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination
>
> Glen,
>
> Agreed!
>
> I once saw a T-Shirt with the following
>
> USMC = Uncle Sam's Misguided Children
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Glen And Rose
> Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2011 7:30 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination
>
> Rob,
>
> This deserves a reply. I have often heard that our uniformed services are
> organized as follows:
>
> Deep water yacht club....Navy
>
> Shallow water yacht club...Coast Guard
>
> National Aero Club...Air Force
>
> Uniformed Adults with Weapons but no ammunition...Army
>
> A force at the ready on land...air...sea and if you listen to the Marine
> Hymn even guarding the very gates of heaven...The Marines
>
> The above is in good humor. Tis far more important that a person served
> their country then in which branch they elected to serve.
>
> Glen
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination [message #133187 is a reply to message #133158] Sun, 03 July 2011 12:17 Go to previous message
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Always remember: "All gave some, some gave all!"

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~~ ~ ~ (TZE166V101966) ~ ~ ~~
~ ~ ~ ex-Palm Beach, 76 ~ ~ ~
~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~



----------------------------------------
> From: robmueller@iinet.net.au
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 15:08:22 +1000
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Delta Sierra Award...Self Nomination
>
> Glen,
>
> My two favorite Marine stories:
>
> One of my best friends joined the Marines upon HS graduation; I joined the
> Air Force. We met after basic training and he said to me; "you're not in the
> military, you're just an organized civilian!" When I got to Viet Nam and saw
> what the Marines and Army went through compared to us "fly-boys" I saw he
> was right. Unfortunately he did not make it home from Viet Nam along with a
> few other classmates.
>
> On my return from Viet Nam I flew through San Francisco and as I was walking
> through the terminal in my Class A "Blue" uniform there were a several young
> Marines in their Class A "Green" uniform.
>
> They said to me "Hey bus driver, when's the bus pulling out?" accompanied by
> much laughter.
>
> I responded "As soon as you porters get the baggage loaded!" laughter ceased
> and I kept walking.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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