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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Higher bridge tolls starting tomorrow [message #132820 is a reply to message #132809] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 14:15   |
g.winger
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One reason why the state is broke is because the citizens of the state are employing chinese workers to build its new bay bridge. I don't think chinese constuction workers will ever pay taxes in CA,,,,,but califonia costuction workers do,,,,,
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Higher bridge tolls starting tomorrow [message #132821 is a reply to message #132818] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 14:17 |
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They passed this in an obscure commission a year or two ago. They always come up with a delayed schedule for the unpopular changes so that no one gripes until after an election, but in this case, the people who made this decision aren't elected. But I digress.
I'm sure there's some great lawyers on this list. We've always contended that the GMC doesn't have three axles, it has 6 wheels. It possibly has two axles in the front coming out of each side of the transfer case.
I scoured the CA laws and it appears that the toll regulations were written specifically to address the number of axles so that "dually" wheels wouldn't be double charged.
We need a great attorney...
Tolls authority is here: http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=46095121804+8+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve
The definition of "axle" is in the Vehicle code as:
230. An "axle" is a structure or portion of a structure consisting
of one or more shafts, spindles, or bearings in the same vertical
transverse plane by means of which, in conjunction with wheels
mounted on said shafts, spindles, or bearings, a portion of the
weight of a vehicle and its load, if any, is continuously transmitted
to the roadway when the vehicle is in motion.
Think we could beat it?
I live on Treasure Island. There's no way to get here other than paying almost twice as much tomorrow as I would have today to come home.
DC
On Jun 30, 2011, at 11:57 AM, George Rudawsky wrote:
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> Well, when a state is bankrupt, they'll do anything to raise money! I'm sure the state can come up with a reason for the increase (at least, here in Illinois they can always come up with a way to justify their increases, whether real or falsified).
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> If you have a GMC converted to run on natural gas, can you get the "clean car" exemption?? :roll:
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> Sorry to hear of your plight!
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> Chicago, IL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Higher bridge tolls starting tomorrow [message #132823 is a reply to message #132821] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 14:29 |
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The argument about how many tires touch the ground and whether the GMC has
three axles or not is a moot point according to the serial number of the
coaches. GMC, in infinite wisdom, says the "trucks" are of the three axle
variety. It's the "Z" in TZE.
Check out the VIN decoder @ http://www.gmcmhregistry.com/Trivia.html
The water went over that dam (in this case, under the bridge) a long time
ago.
Byron Songer
PO of a 1978 Royale by Coachmen
Holiday Rambler (Freightliner/CAT)
Louisville, KY
Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
Desmond wrote:
> They passed this in an obscure commission a year or two ago. They always come
> up with a delayed schedule for the unpopular changes so that no one gripes
> until after an election, but in this case, the people who made this decision
> aren't elected. But I digress.
>
> I'm sure there's some great lawyers on this list. We've always contended that
> the GMC doesn't have three axles, it has 6 wheels. It possibly has two axles
> in the front coming out of each side of the transfer case.
>
> I scoured the CA laws and it appears that the toll regulations were written
> specifically to address the number of axles so that "dually" wheels wouldn't
> be double charged.
>
> We need a great attorney...
>
> Tolls authority is here:
> http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=46095121804+8+0+0&WAISaction=
> retrieve
>
> The definition of "axle" is in the Vehicle code as:
>
> 230. An "axle" is a structure or portion of a structure consisting
> of one or more shafts, spindles, or bearings in the same vertical
> transverse plane by means of which, in conjunction with wheels
> mounted on said shafts, spindles, or bearings, a portion of the
> weight of a vehicle and its load, if any, is continuously transmitted
> to the roadway when the vehicle is in motion.
> Think we could beat it?
>
> I live on Treasure Island. There's no way to get here other than paying
> almost twice as much tomorrow as I would have today to come home.
>
> DC
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Higher bridge tolls starting tomorrow [message #132825 is a reply to message #132821] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 14:30 |
Robin Hood
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I'm a lawyer, but not a very good one. :)
By that definition, the GMC has one axle up front (taking the
transaxles and engine as a "structure" and two axles in the rear
(taking the boges and frame as a structure" because the leading rear
wheels are each mounted on their own spindle that are in the same
verticle transverse plane. That "transverese vertical plane" bit means
that you can have multiple wheels (verticle) that are to the side of
that spindle (transverse) but in the same plane. Instead of an axle
that is made up of a single conitgous shaft, it's an "axle" that
involves the arms, pins, frame, and the same hardware on the far side.
The wheels aren't besdie each other, so they're considered seperate
"axles".
Robin
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Desmond <980@opg.org> wrote:
> They passed this in an obscure commission a year or two ago. They always come up with a delayed schedule for the unpopular changes so that no one gripes until after an election, but in this case, the people who made this decision aren't elected. But I digress.
>
> I'm sure there's some great lawyers on this list. We've always contended that the GMC doesn't have three axles, it has 6 wheels. It possibly has two axles in the front coming out of each side of the transfer case.
>
> I scoured the CA laws and it appears that the toll regulations were written specifically to address the number of axles so that "dually" wheels wouldn't be double charged.
>
> We need a great attorney...
>
> Tolls authority is here: http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=46095121804+8+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve
>
> The definition of "axle" is in the Vehicle code as:
>
> 230. An "axle" is a structure or portion of a structure consisting
> of one or more shafts, spindles, or bearings in the same vertical
> transverse plane by means of which, in conjunction with wheels
> mounted on said shafts, spindles, or bearings, a portion of the
> weight of a vehicle and its load, if any, is continuously transmitted
> to the roadway when the vehicle is in motion.
> Think we could beat it?
>
> I live on Treasure Island. There's no way to get here other than paying almost twice as much tomorrow as I would have today to come home.
>
> DC
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> On Jun 30, 2011, at 11:57 AM, George Rudawsky wrote:
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>> Well, when a state is bankrupt, they'll do anything to raise money! I'm sure the state can come up with a reason for the increase (at least, here in Illinois they can always come up with a way to justify their increases, whether real or falsified).
>>
>> If you have a GMC converted to run on natural gas, can you get the "clean car" exemption?? :roll:
>>
>> Sorry to hear of your plight!
>> --
>> George Rudawsky
>> Chicago, IL
>> 75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Higher bridge tolls starting tomorrow [message #132840 is a reply to message #132821] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 16:13 |
Ken Henderson
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Desmond,
From their definition of an axle, I'd say any argument that the GMC
doesn't have 3 is doomed.
What really shocks me is that they have no special rate for Y'All who
live on Treasure Island. They are economically penalizing you for
living there -- drastically so, I'd say. There should be some special
rate, preferably zero. If all the TI residents haven't gotten
organized to protest that outrage, you should.
Is TI within the SF city limits? That, I'd think, would strengthen
your case. If it's another incorporated community, that might carry
some weight also.
You say it will cost you more to come home. Does that mean they
collect tolls only northbound? So you can go to & from Sausalito for
free? How logical!
JMHO,
Ken H.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Desmond <980@opg.org> wrote:
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> 230. An "axle" is a structure or portion of a structure consisting
> of one or more shafts, spindles, or bearings in the same vertical
> transverse plane by means of which, in conjunction with wheels
> mounted on said shafts, spindles, or bearings, a portion of the
> weight of a vehicle and its load, if any, is continuously transmitted
> to the roadway when the vehicle is in motion.
> Think we could beat it?
>
> I live on Treasure Island. There's no way to get here other than paying almost twice as much tomorrow as I would have today to come home.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Higher bridge tolls starting tomorrow [message #132852 is a reply to message #132840] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 17:16 |
James Hupy
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Install a QuadraBag system, and just before entering the toll bridge,
Deflate one set of air bags, lift the tires off the ground like a "tag" axle
on a dump truck or heavy hauler, and tell the toll takers that you have only
4 tires in contact with the ground. When you are over the bridge, switch 'er
back.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> Desmond,
>
> From their definition of an axle, I'd say any argument that the GMC
> doesn't have 3 is doomed.
>
> What really shocks me is that they have no special rate for Y'All who
> live on Treasure Island. They are economically penalizing you for
> living there -- drastically so, I'd say. There should be some special
> rate, preferably zero. If all the TI residents haven't gotten
> organized to protest that outrage, you should.
>
> Is TI within the SF city limits? That, I'd think, would strengthen
> your case. If it's another incorporated community, that might carry
> some weight also.
>
> You say it will cost you more to come home. Does that mean they
> collect tolls only northbound? So you can go to & from Sausalito for
> free? How logical!
>
> JMHO,
>
> Ken H.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Desmond <980@opg.org> wrote:
> >...
> > 230. An "axle" is a structure or portion of a structure consisting
> > of one or more shafts, spindles, or bearings in the same vertical
> > transverse plane by means of which, in conjunction with wheels
> > mounted on said shafts, spindles, or bearings, a portion of the
> > weight of a vehicle and its load, if any, is continuously transmitted
> > to the roadway when the vehicle is in motion.
> > Think we could beat it?
> >
> > I live on Treasure Island. There's no way to get here other than paying
> almost twice as much tomorrow as I would have today to come home.
> >
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Higher bridge tolls starting tomorrow [message #132881 is a reply to message #132852] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 18:57 |
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Jim,
You are one clever fella.
However, at the end of the day I think trying to fight this would be like
Don Quixote tilting at windmills.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Higher bridge tolls starting tomorrow
Install a QuadraBag system, and just before entering the toll bridge,
Deflate one set of air bags, lift the tires off the ground like a "tag" axle
on a dump truck or heavy hauler, and tell the toll takers that you have only
4 tires in contact with the ground. When you are over the bridge, switch 'er
back.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Higher bridge tolls starting tomorrow [message #132888 is a reply to message #132809] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 19:52 |
Larry
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Let it go...the extra on the toll is a grain of sand on the beach, especially when you contrast it with what we all spend on "upgrades"...like Six wheel discs, $1960, Quadrabag $1600, Reaction arm, $2700.....etc, etc.
Nothing you can do about the toll, so just pay it and get on with your life.
JMHO...that's all....
Larry 
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Higher bridge tolls starting tomorrow [message #132900 is a reply to message #132852] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 20:16 |
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For Desmond that trick could pay for the Quadrabags very quickly! Now if he had some kind of switch on the dash - BRIDGE - that could do it automatically that would be sweet.
Larry Davick
Fremont, California
The Mystery Machine
'76 (ish) Palm Beach
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From: "James Hupy" <jamesh1296@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 3:16:44 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Higher bridge tolls starting tomorrow
Install a QuadraBag system, and just before entering the toll bridge,
Deflate one set of air bags, lift the tires off the ground like a "tag" axle
on a dump truck or heavy hauler, and tell the toll takers that you have only
4 tires in contact with the ground. When you are over the bridge, switch 'er
back.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Higher bridge tolls starting tomorrow [message #132902 is a reply to message #132852] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 20:28 |
A Hamilto
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| James Hupy wrote on Thu, 30 June 2011 17:16 |
Install a QuadraBag system, and just before entering the toll bridge, Deflate one set of air bags, lift the tires off the ground like a "tag" axle on a dump truck or heavy hauler, and tell the toll takers that you have only 4 tires in contact with the ground. When you are over the bridge, switch 'er back.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
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Why wait until you are over the bridge? As soon as you clear the toll booth, normal it up.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Higher bridge tolls starting tomorrow [message #132903 is a reply to message #132888] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 20:29 |
Dave Wilson
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I agree with Larry (of Wisconsin), budget for it, and pay it! I just crossed the Mackinaw Bridge and paid $13.50 each way ($4.50 per axle for motorhomes). No use trying to tell an attendant who couldn't care less that your rear "axles" are tandem tag-alongs. Just pay the money and be thankful we can still drive our GMC's across this awesome country. It would be much more difficult in Europe! Happy motorhoming (high tolls and all) to everyone....
Dave Wilson
'77 Eleganza II
Photos @ http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member.php?uid=2183&protype=1
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Higher bridge tolls starting tomorrow [message #132904 is a reply to message #132888] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 20:29 |
James Hupy
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Hey Larry, The quadrabag lift idea was just smoke & mirrors. I wasn't
serious and didn't expect to be taken as such. I guess I am going to suffix
those kinds of comments with a [SAC] for smart a## comment. <Grin> Just one
of the drawbacks of not being able to see one's face or listen to his tone
of voice. The only tolls that we have in Oregon are on a couple of tethered
ferry boats on the Willamette River near Salem, I think the tolls are a buck
or so. I forget the last time that I crossed the Golden Gate or another one
of those Cal toll bridges. I guess the Astoria/Megler bridge across the
Columbia River is a toll bridge too, but not a lot of money.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Larry <weidnerl@wwt.net> wrote:
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> Let it go...the extra on the toll is a grain of sand on the beach,
> especially when you contrast it with what we all spend on "upgrades"...like
> Six wheel discs, $1960, Quadrabag $1600, Reaction arm, $2700.....etc, etc.
> Nothing you can do about the toll, so just pay it and get on with your
> life.
> JMHO...that's all....
> --
> Larry :)
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Higher bridge tolls starting tomorrow [message #132905 is a reply to message #132888] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 20:36 |
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| Larry wrote on Thu, 30 June 2011 17:52 |
Let it go...the extra on the toll is a grain of sand on the beach, especially when you contrast it with what we all spend on "upgrades"...like Six wheel discs, $1960, Quadrabag $1600, Reaction arm, $2700.....etc, etc.
Nothing you can do about the toll, so just pay it and get on with your life.
JMHO...that's all....
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Larry is right "Let it go" If it bothers you don't go! Eveything costs money and if you don't want it spread around in a general tax system than you WILL pay on a PER/Use basis. Think about it fellas. Nothing is free.
Randall
Randall Burns
Sammamish WA
75 EX GB
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Higher bridge tolls starting tomorrow [message #132940 is a reply to message #132809] |
Fri, 01 July 2011 01:44 |
bukzin
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Desmond,
I guess those of us lucky enough to live in a beautiful state like California sometimes pay a premium to do so.
Housing costs etc. are clearly higher yet folks flock here for all if offers, in spite of our issues.
PS. Thanks for introducing us to Treasure Island, what a great place!
Bukzin
1977 Palm Beach
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